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    On our country's day of independence, I thought it might be prudent to look beyond the noise of cherry bombs for a moment.

    Dice went down with TJ surgery, and there were comments about Japanese.
    Cam was DFA'd and there were accusations of bigotry if Mac followed shortly after.
    Much of this was shot down by several board members.

    But the accusations were echoes of a time when it was very real. Players were segregated - a reflection of the times. The greatest - the saddest - exclusion was  Satchel Paige, perhaps the greatest pitcher ever.

    "The pitcher with the greatest stuff I ever saw"  Dizzy Dean.
    DiMaggio said he was the best pitcher he ever faced.

    Paige's pitching in the Negro leagues and barnstorming with Dizzy Dean and Bob Feller are legendary. Some say he won 1500 - 2000 games. 300 shutouts. 40 no-hitters. The level of competition faced will always be debated. Think WBC.

    When Robinson finally broke the color barrier, Paige joined the Indians in 1948, at mid-season. In his first three starts, over 200,000 people went to see him.
    At one point, he was 5-1 with a 1.33 ERA. He ended up 6-1, 2.48 ERA.
    Keep in mind, he wasn't throwing nearly as hard as he once did. He had allegedly a torn rotary cuff in 1939, and therapy did not include surgery.

    There was talk of rookie-of-the-year honors. Paige was 42 years old.
    The Indians went on to win the world series...their last.

    Here's a look at him in the 1948 WS (42 second mark).
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKNV-GxeAio+feature=related
    He came on in relief of Feller. Spahn pitched for the Braves.

    In 1951, he was a reliever for the St. Louis Browns.
    He'd arrive at the park around the 5th inning and sneak drinks into the bullpen. His coach supplied him with a plush rocking chair to relax.
    Stengal once remarked:
    "If the Yanks don't get ahead in the first 6 innings, the Browns bring in that damned old man and then we're sunk".

    Source: http://agilewriter.com/Biography/SatfchelPaige.htm

    In 1952, Roger Hornsby (an alleged former member of the KKK) became manager of the ST. Louis Browns and kept Paige buried as did Zimmer with Lee (who did his own barnstorming after he said collusion kept him out of the ML's. Bill Lee pitched for years in several different countries - as told in his book HAVE GLOVE, WILL TRAVEL). Owner Bill Veck fired Hornsby, and soon Paige flourished yet again, at age 46. He was named to the AS team. He ended up 12-10 after being on Hornsby's shelf, with a 3.07 ERA used in all capacities. His team lost 90 games that year.

    Ted Williams called him the greatest pitcher he ever faced.
    Hack Wilson: "It starts out like a baseball. When it gets to the plate, it looks like a marble".
    Source: http://www.thebaseballpage.com/players/paigesa01

    Until Paige hurt his arm, he only threw a fastball. One pitch. Fast and faster, at varied angles, with multiple wind-ups.
    It wasn't until Paige was 50 years old, and out of M.L. baseball, that he began throwing off-speed stuff. He re-invented himself and Veck bought into a AAA affiliate (Miami Marlins of the International League) and got his reluctant manager to play Paige. The results:

    1956: 11-4  1.86 ERA
    1957: 10-8 2.42 ERA  11 walks
    1958: 10-10 2.95 ERA 15 walks - at age 52!
    Paige got a % of the gate...and a $15,000 salary.

    After the 1957 season, Paige went to Mexico to appear in the movie THE WONDERFUL COUNTRY (ironic title, isn't it.) with Robert Mitchum. (Satch played the character Sgt. Tobe Sutton, and made 10 grand. He called the flic "the pride of his life").

    Source: http://en.wikippedia.org/wiki/Satchel_Paige

    In 1961, he pitched briefly for Portland (AAA) and had a 2.88 ERA, 18 SO's thru 25 IP.
    In 1965, Finley signed Paige at age 59 to pitch in one game - against the Boston RedSox. Paige was in his rocker in the pen between innings, being served "coffee"by his "nurse". H threw three shutout innings against the likes of Gosger and Conigliaro. Only one player got a hit:Carl Yastrzemski.

    Paige was inducted into the HOF in 1971.
    It's sad that M.L.baseball never got to see him in his prime years.
    Think about this when you enjoy your local fireworks display tonight.
     
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    Nice tribute.
     
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    [QUOTE]On our country's day of independence, I thought it might be prudent to look beyond the noise of cherry bombs for a moment. Dice went down with TJ surgery, and there were comments about Japanese. Cam was DFA'd and there were accusations of bigotry if Mac followed shortly after. Much of this was shot down by several board members. But the accusations were echoes of a time when it was very real. Players were segregated - a reflection of the times. The greatest - the saddest - exclusion was Satchel Paige, perhaps the greatest pitcher ever. "The pitcher with the greatest stuff I ever saw"  Dizzy Dean. DiMaggio said he was the best pitcher he ever faced. Paige'sapedespitching in the Negro leagues and barnstorming with Dizzy Dean and Bob Feller are legendary. Some say he won 1500 - 2000 games. 300 shutouts. 40 no-hitters. The level of competition faced will always be debated. Think WBC. When Robinson finally broke the color barrier, Paige joined the Indians in 1948, at mid-season. In his first three starts, over 200,000 people went to see him. At one point, he was 5-1 with a 1.33 ERA. He ended up 6-1, 2.48 ERA. Keep in mind, he wasn't throwing nearly as hard as he once did. He had allegedly a torn rotary cuff in 1939, and therapy did not include surgery. There was talk of rookie-of-the-year honors. Paige was 42 years old. The Indians went on to win the world series...their last. Here's a look at him in the 1948 WS (42 second mark). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKNV-GxeAio+feature=related He came on in relief of Feller. Spahn pitched for the Braves. In 1951, he was a reliever for the St. Louis Browns. He'd arrive at the park around the 5th inning and sneak drinks into the bullpen. His coach supplied him with a plush rocking chair to relax. Stengal once remarked: "If the Yanks don't get ahead in the first 6 innings, the Browns bring in that damned old man and then we're sunk". Source: http://agilewriter.com/Biography/SatfchelPaige.htm In 1952, Roger Hornsby (an alleged former member of the KKK) became manager of the ST., Louis Browns and kept Paige buried as did Zimmer with Lee (who did his own barnstorming after he said collusion kept him out of the ML's. Bill Lee pitched for years in several different countries - as told in his book HAVE GLOVE, WILL TRAVEL). Owner Bill Veck fired Hornsby,and soon Paige flourished yet again, at age 46. He was named to the AS team. He ended up 12-10 after being on Hornsby's shelf, with a 3.07 ERA used in all capacities. His team lost 90 games that year. Ted Williams called him the greatest pitcher he ever faced. Hack Wilson: " It starts out like a baseball. When it gets to the plate, it looks like a marble". Source: http://www.the baseballpage.com/players/paigesa01 Until Paige hurt his arm, he only threw a fastball. One pitch. Fast and faster, at varied angles, with multiple wind-ups. It wasn't until Paige was 50 years old , and out of M.L. baseball, that he began throwing off-speed stuff. Veck bought into a AAA affiliate (Miami Marlins of the International League and got his reluctant manager to play Paige. The results: 1956: 11-4  1.86 ERA 1957: 10-8 2.42 ERA  11 walks 1958: 10-10 2.95 ERA 15 walks - at age 52! Paige got a % of the gate...and a $15,000 salary. After the 1957 season, Paige went to Mexico to appear in the movie THE WONDERFUL COUNTRY (ironic title, isn't it.) with Robert Mitchum. (Satch played the character Sgt. Tobe Sutton, and made 10 grand. He called the flic "the pride of his life"). Source: http://en.wikippedia.org/wiki/Satchel_Paige In 1961, he pitched briefly for Portland (AAA) and had a 2.88 ERA, 18 SO's thru 25 IP. In 1965, Finley signed Paige at age 59 to pitch in one game - against the  Boston RedSox. Paige was in his rocker in the pen between innings, being served "coffee"by his "nurse". H threw three shutout innings against the likes of Gosger and Conigliaro. Only one player got a hit: Carl Yastrzemski. Paige was inducted into the HOF in 1971. It's sad that M.L.baseball never got to see him in his prime years. Think about this when you enjoy your local fireworks display tonight.
    Posted by harness[/QUOTE]

    In the Negro Leagues, I heard he used to do stuff like have all the fielders leave the field and go into the dugout while he struck out the final batter to finish a game. 

    It was everybody's loss to have missed out on his best years, except for the opposing hitters and teams. 
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Satchel : In the Negro Leagues, I heard he used to do stuff like have all the fielders leave the field and go into the dugout while he struck out the final batter to finish a game.  It was everybody's loss to have missed out on his best years, except for the opposing hitters and teams. 
    Posted by Sheriff-Rojas[/QUOTE]

    There was a show on the MLB Network about the Negro Leagues, and they mentioned this.  He was upset with his fielders as noted by this Wikipedia entry


    He also pitched for a semi-pro team named the Down the Bay Boys, and he recalled that he once got into a jam in the ninth inning of a 1–0 ballgame when his teammates made three consecutive errors, loading the bases for the other team with two outs. Angry, Paige said he stomped around the mound, kicking up dirt. The fans started booing him, so he decided that “somebody was going to have to be showed up for that.” He called in his outfielders and had them sit down in the infield. With the fans and his own teammates howling, Paige struck out the final batter, winning the game.[8]


    It was also the inspiration for Bingo Long's "Invite Pitch" in the movie "The Bingo Long Traveling All-Stars and Motor Kings".  Great movie by the way.
     
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    Thanks for the great information, Harn....
     
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    No doubt the greatest pitcher ever, Satchel Paige.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Satchel : There was a show on the MLB Network about the Negro Leagues, and they mentioned this.  He was upset with his fielders as noted by this Wikipedia entry He also pitched for a semi-pro team named the Down the Bay Boys, and he recalled that he once got into a jam in the ninth inning of a 1–0 ballgame when his teammates made three consecutive errors, loading the bases for the other team with two outs. Angry, Paige said he stomped around the mound, kicking up dirt. The fans started booing him, so he decided that “somebody was going to have to be showed up for that.” He called in his outfielders and had them sit down in the infield. With the fans and his own teammates howling, Paige struck out the final batter, winning the game. [ 8 ] It was also the inspiration for Bingo Long's "Invite Pitch" in the movie "The Bingo Long Traveling All-Stars and Motor Kings".  Great movie by the way.
    Posted by fizsh[/QUOTE]

    Thanks for the info, fizsh.  You really have to have some serious cajones before trying something like this.  I wouldn't recommend it for John Lackey. 
     
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    In Response to www.boston.com/community/forums.html?plckForumPage=ForumDiscussion&plckDiscussionId=Cat%3aSportsForum%3a81df60f3-70ee-4ca3-9336-8cf2c0a8301aDiscussion%3a907733f4-5809-4c3e-966a-160b0e0502c5&plckFindPostKey=Cat:SportsForum:81df60f3-70ee-4ca3-9336-8cf2c0a8301aDiscussion:907733f4-5809-4c3e-966a-160b0e0502c5Post:6cf9528c-07ae-486d-b008-3728495576cd">Satchel:
    [QUOTE]On our country's day of independence, I thought it might be prudent to look beyond the noise of cherry bombs for a moment. Dice went down with TJ surgery, and there were comments about Japanese. Cam was DFA'd and there were accusations of bigotry if Mac followed shortly after. Much of this was shot down by several board members. But the accusations were echoes of a time when it was very real. Players were segregated - a reflection of the times. The greatest - the saddest - exclusion was Satchel Paige, perhaps the greatest pitcher ever. "The pitcher with the greatest stuff I ever saw"  Dizzy Dean. DiMaggio said he was the best pitcher he ever faced. Paige'sapedespitching in the Negro leagues and barnstorming with Dizzy Dean and Bob Feller are legendary. Some say he won 1500 - 2000 games. 300 shutouts. 40 no-hitters. The level of competition faced will always be debated. Think WBC. When Robinson finally broke the color barrier, Paige joined the Indians in 1948, at mid-season. In his first three starts, over 200,000 people went to see him. At one point, he was 5-1 with a 1.33 ERA. He ended up 6-1, 2.48 ERA. Keep in mind, he wasn't throwing nearly as hard as he once did. He had allegedly a torn rotary cuff in 1939, and therapy did not include surgery. There was talk of rookie-of-the-year honors. Paige was 42 years old. The Indians went on to win the world series...their last. Here's a look at him in the 1948 WS (42 second mark).
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKNV-GxeAio+feature=related">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKNV-GxeAio+feature=related He came on in relief of Feller. Spahn pitched for the Braves. In 1951, he was a reliever for the St. Louis Browns. He'd arrive at the park around the 5th inning and sneak drinks into the bullpen. His coach supplied him with a plush rocking chair to relax. Stengal once remarked: "If the Yanks don't get ahead in the first 6 innings, the Browns bring in that damned old man and then we're sunk". Source: http://agilewriter.com/Biography/SatfchelPaige.htm In 1952, Roger Hornsby (an alleged former member of the KKK) became manager of the ST., Louis Browns and kept Paige buried as did Zimmer with Lee (who did his own barnstorming after he said collusion kept him out of the ML's. Bill Lee pitched for years in several different countries - as told in his book HAVE GLOVE, WILL TRAVEL). Owner Bill Veck fired Hornsby,and soon Paige flourished yet again, at age 46. He was named to the AS team. He ended up 12-10 after being on Hornsby's shelf, with a 3.07 ERA used in all capacities. His team lost 90 games that year. Ted Williams called him the greatest pitcher he ever faced. Hack Wilson: " It starts out like a baseball. When it gets to the plate, it looks like a marble". Source: www.the%20baseballpage.com/players/paigesa01">http://www.the baseballpage.com/players/paigesa01 Until Paige hurt his arm, he only threw a fastball. One pitch. Fast and faster, at varied angles, with multiple wind-ups. It wasn't until Paige was 50 years old , and out of M.L. baseball, that he began throwing off-speed stuff. Veck bought into a AAA affiliate (Miami Marlins of the International League and got his reluctant manager to play Paige. The results: 1956: 11-4  1.86 ERA 1957: 10-8 2.42 ERA  11 walks 1958: 10-10 2.95 ERA 15 walks - at age 52! Paige got a % of the gate...and a $15,000 salary. After the 1957 season, Paige went to Mexico to appear in the movie THE WONDERFUL COUNTRY (ironic title, isn't it.) with Robert Mitchum. (Satch played the character Sgt. Tobe Sutton, and made 10 grand. He called the flic "the pride of his life"). Source: http://en.wikippedia.org/wiki/Satchel_Paige In 1961, he pitched briefly for Portland (AAA) and had a 2.88 ERA, 18 SO's thru 25 IP. In 1965, Finley signed Paige at age 59 to pitch in one game - against the  Boston RedSox. Paige was in his rocker in the pen between innings, being served "coffee"by his "nurse". H threw three shutout innings against the likes of Gosger and Conigliaro. Only one player got a hit: Carl Yastrzemski. Paige was inducted into the HOF in 1971. It's sad that M.L.baseball never got to see him in his prime years. Think about this when you enjoy your local fireworks display tonight.
    Posted by harness[/QUOTE]

    Great post harness.

    Thoroughly enjoyable.


    We used to talk about the remarkable stories of Paige's pitching prowess ...
    back in the 60's.


    But what did kids know?



    On that point,

     I think I need to give credit to my best friend while growing up in NH.  Jeff   was always a little more informed -if not a lot more- than I was.  He got me into Strat-o-matic and all bunches of other stuff ....
     
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    Thanks Harness..Great read..paige was definitly one of the best all  time..I really do wish we got to see him in his prime..Well maybe not me(40ish)..But some on here..I wouldve enjoyed the old videos though..
     
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    Southpaw: Here's a short slo-mo video - Pre M.L. days...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3q2TeFuTq8&feature=related
     
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    Thanks harness...Id like to find some more video of him. Such a shame that something so ignorant like racism deprived us for so long, some of the best ballplayers of all time..
     
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    I'll tell you how ignorant it was:
    Imagine never seeing Michael Jorden except for an aging glimpse.
    Imagine never seeing Bobby Orr until his final season when his knees were shot.
    Imagine reverse discrimination and fans not seeing Ted Williams or Babe Ruth.

    Our leaders are supposed to have courage and act with conviction.
    Not hide in a sea of ignorance.

    200,000 people came to see Paige's first three outings once he was allowed to pitch in the majors. That hardly sounds like public damnation. Yawkey was a coward not to have signed Mays when he had the chance. The fans were victimized by fear and stupidity.

    This one quote says it best:

    Ain't no man can avoid being born average, but there ain't no man got to be born common".

                                                Satchel  Paige
     
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    I recommend the book Only The Ball Was White. This book was singularly responsible for the 19 or so Negro League HOFers inducted a few yrs ago.
     
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    I'll keep that in mind. The power of the written word...
     
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    Very subtly put there harness. Why do you need to stir the pot? It's people like you who keep racism alive and well, and refuse to move past our nation's darker times.

    BTW: Branch Rickey was the real hero who had the courage to break the color barrier in MLB, and often doesn't get the credit.
     
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    Image over substance. Simply repeating poignant stories about the past and then claiming to be on the moral high ground is what politicians do.

    1.  It's very real, today, in Boston, except it's no longer overt. It's de facto. Most people live segregated intimate lives and identify with and embrace segregated cultural behaviors.

    2. Referred to Board members haven't "shot anything down".

    American government and leadership today is a direct insult to the values embraced in The Declaration of Independence. 

    Since Woodrow Wilson introduced the 16th Amendment and Roosevelt introduced entitlements, the progeny is The Delclaration of Dependents. 

    There is nothing about this Nation, today, that represents the spirit of genius and the life or death pursuit of independence from an oppressive central authority. 

    The central authority power retention method of today is to instill resentment in the working and entitlement classes, with the promise of government settling the score with the "rich" and delivering the "social justice" reparations of entitlements. This tenet drives the mission of collectivist government administration, and is the old playbook documented in the Manifesto of two demented minds. 

    Race and ethnicity "stories from the horrid past" are injected to inflame the passions of these classes, not to address current bigotry and the hypocrisy of the disciples of collectivism. 

    The author of this thread is simply repeating a token story that reflects the tokenism that still dominates "progressives" and the inner workings of major league baseball fans, ownnersip and management. 

      
     
     

     
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    [QUOTE]Very subtly put there harness. Why do you need to stir the pot? It's people like you who keep racism alive and well, and refuse to move past our nation's darker times. BTW: Branch Rickey was the real hero who had the courage to break the color barrier in MLB, and often doesn't get the credit.
    Posted by Alibiike[/QUOTE]

    Who's stirring the pot, alibiike?  This is a


    TRIBUTE


    thread! 
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Satchel : Whose stirring the pot, alibiike?  This is a TRIBUTE thread! 
    Posted by Sheriff-Rojas[/QUOTE]


    You failing to read between the lines Sherriff. This is as much a bash America as a tribute to Paige post.
    Why can't we just celebrate the greatest-nation-on-earth's birthday, without bringing up racism.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Satchel : You failing to read between the lines Sherriff. This is as much as a bash America than a tribute to Paige.
    Posted by Alibiike[/QUOTE]

    Acknowledging a part of our nation's history is not bashing it.  It's revealing the truth and can be looked upon as some measure of our progress.  It's you that happens to be reading between the lines and seeing this as some sort of threat that isn't there. 
     
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    [QUOTE]On our country's day of independence, I thought it might be prudent to look beyond the noise of cherry bombs for a moment. Dice went down with TJ surgery, and there were comments about Japanese. Cam was DFA'd and there were accusations of bigotry if Mac followed shortly after. Much of this was shot down by several board members. But the accusations were echoes of a time when it was very real. Players were segregated - a reflection of the times. The greatest - the saddest - exclusion was  Satchel Paige, perhaps the greatest pitcher ever. "The pitcher with the greatest stuff I ever saw"  Dizzy Dean. DiMaggio said he was the best pitcher he ever faced. Paige's pitching in the Negro leagues and barnstorming with Dizzy Dean and Bob Feller are legendary. Some say he won 1500 - 2000 games. 300 shutouts. 40 no-hitters. The level of competition faced will always be debated. Think WBC. When Robinson finally broke the color barrier, Paige joined the Indians in 1948, at mid-season. In his first three starts, over 200,000 people went to see him. At one point, he was 5-1 with a 1.33 ERA. He ended up 6-1, 2.48 ERA. Keep in mind, he wasn't throwing nearly as hard as he once did. He had allegedly a torn rotary cuff in 1939, and therapy did not include surgery. There was talk of rookie-of-the-year honors. Paige was 42 years old. The Indians went on to win the world series...their last. Here's a look at him in the 1948 WS (42 second mark). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKNV-GxeAio+feature=related He came on in relief of Feller. Spahn pitched for the Braves. In 1951, he was a reliever for the St. Louis Browns. He'd arrive at the park around the 5th inning and sneak drinks into the bullpen. His coach supplied him with a plush rocking chair to relax. Stengal once remarked: "If the Yanks don't get ahead in the first 6 innings, the Browns bring in that damned old man and then we're sunk". Source: http://agilewriter.com/Biography/SatfchelPaige.htm In 1952, Roger Hornsby (an alleged former member of the KKK) became manager of the ST. Louis Browns and kept Paige buried as did Zimmer with Lee (who did his own barnstorming after he said collusion kept him out of the ML's. Bill Lee pitched for years in several different countries - as told in his book HAVE GLOVE, WILL TRAVEL). Owner Bill Veck fired Hornsby, and soon Paige flourished yet again, at age 46. He was named to the AS team. He ended up 12-10 after being on Hornsby's shelf, with a 3.07 ERA used in all capacities. His team lost 90 games that year. Ted Williams called him the greatest pitcher he ever faced. Hack Wilson: " It starts out like a baseball. When it gets to the plate, it looks like a marble". Source: http://www.the baseballpage.com/players/paigesa01 Until Paige hurt his arm, he only threw a fastball. One pitch. Fast and faster, at varied angles, with multiple wind-ups. It wasn't until Paige was 50 years old , and out of M.L. baseball, that he began throwing off-speed stuff. He re-invented himself and Veck bought into a AAA affiliate (Miami Marlins of the International League) and got his reluctant manager to play Paige. The results: 1956: 11-4  1.86 ERA 1957: 10-8 2.42 ERA  11 walks 1958: 10-10 2.95 ERA 15 walks - at age 52! Paige got a % of the gate...and a $15,000 salary. After the 1957 season, Paige went to Mexico to appear in the movie THE WONDERFUL COUNTRY (ironic title, isn't it.) with Robert Mitchum. (Satch played the character Sgt. Tobe Sutton, and made 10 grand. He called the flic "the pride of his life"). Source: http://en.wikippedia.org/wiki/Satchel_Paige In 1961, he pitched briefly for Portland (AAA) and had a 2.88 ERA, 18 SO's thru 25 IP. In 1965, Finley signed Paige at age 59 to pitch in one game - against the  Boston RedSox. Paige was in his rocker in the pen between innings, being served "coffee"by his "nurse". H threw three shutout innings against the likes of Gosger and Conigliaro. Only one player got a hit: Carl Yastrzemski. Paige was inducted into the HOF in 1971. It's sad that M.L.baseball never got to see him in his prime years. Think about this when you enjoy your local fireworks display tonight.
    Posted by harness[/QUOTE]

    So you copied an article and threw in a few of you're own words.  Are we supposed to be impressed with yet another desperate measure of attention? 

    Was the recent pole taken that left you basically vote less and not well liked here for bashing everyone too much for you to swallow?  What a nut case


     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Satchel : Acknowledging a part of our nation's history is not bashing it.  It's revealing the truth and can be looked upon as some measure of our progress.  It's you that happens to be reading between the lines and seeing this as some sort of threat that isn't there. 
    Posted by Sheriff-Rojas[/QUOTE]

    The intent was not show our progress, but rather to rekindle an unjust time in our history.
    Our country is by no means perfect, but it's still the best place in the world IMO. If you read the OPs second post, you will get the gist of the intent.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Satchel : The intent was not show our progress, but rather to rekindle an unjust time in our history. Our country is by no means perfect, but it's still the best place in the world IMO. If you read the OPs second post, you will get the gist of the intent.
    Posted by Alibiike[/QUOTE]

    That certainly is an odd choice of words.  I'll leave it up to Harness to address that one. 
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Satchel : The intent was not show our progress, but rather to rekindle an unjust time in our history. Our country is by no means perfect, but it's still the best place in the world IMO. If you read the OPs second post, you will get the gist of the intent.
    Posted by Alibiike[/QUOTE]

    HI IM HARNESS I MAKE UP STATS, COVER MY MISTAKES, BASH POSTERS WHO DONT WORSHIP ME, LOVE MYSELF AND SNIFF MOONS BUTT UNTIL IM HIGH.  OH YES AND HUMP MY HORSES FOR PLEASURE WHEN MY BOARD MEMBERS DISLIKE ME.
     
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    [QUOTE]On our country's day of independence, I thought it might be prudent to look beyond the noise of cherry bombs for a moment. Dice went down with TJ surgery, and there were comments about Japanese. Cam was DFA'd and there were accusations of bigotry if Mac followed shortly after. Much of this was shot down by several board members. But the accusations were echoes of a time when it was very real. Players were segregated - a reflection of the times. The greatest - the saddest - exclusion was  Satchel Paige, perhaps the greatest pitcher ever. "The pitcher with the greatest stuff I ever saw"  Dizzy Dean. DiMaggio said he was the best pitcher he ever faced. Paige's pitching in the Negro leagues and barnstorming with Dizzy Dean and Bob Feller are legendary. Some say he won 1500 - 2000 games. 300 shutouts. 40 no-hitters. The level of competition faced will always be debated. Think WBC. When Robinson finally broke the color barrier, Paige joined the Indians in 1948, at mid-season. In his first three starts, over 200,000 people went to see him. At one point, he was 5-1 with a 1.33 ERA. He ended up 6-1, 2.48 ERA. Keep in mind, he wasn't throwing nearly as hard as he once did. He had allegedly a torn rotary cuff in 1939, and therapy did not include surgery. There was talk of rookie-of-the-year honors. Paige was 42 years old. The Indians went on to win the world series...their last. Here's a look at him in the 1948 WS (42 second mark). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKNV-GxeAio+feature=related He came on in relief of Feller. Spahn pitched for the Braves. In 1951, he was a reliever for the St. Louis Browns. He'd arrive at the park around the 5th inning and sneak drinks into the bullpen. His coach supplied him with a plush rocking chair to relax. Stengal once remarked: "If the Yanks don't get ahead in the first 6 innings, the Browns bring in that damned old man and then we're sunk". Source: http://agilewriter.com/Biography/SatfchelPaige.htm In 1952, Roger Hornsby (an alleged former member of the KKK) became manager of the ST. Louis Browns and kept Paige buried as did Zimmer with Lee (who did his own barnstorming after he said collusion kept him out of the ML's. Bill Lee pitched for years in several different countries - as told in his book HAVE GLOVE, WILL TRAVEL). Owner Bill Veck fired Hornsby, and soon Paige flourished yet again, at age 46. He was named to the AS team. He ended up 12-10 after being on Hornsby's shelf, with a 3.07 ERA used in all capacities. His team lost 90 games that year. Ted Williams called him the greatest pitcher he ever faced. Hack Wilson: " It starts out like a baseball. When it gets to the plate, it looks like a marble". Source: http://www.the baseballpage.com/players/paigesa01 Until Paige hurt his arm, he only threw a fastball. One pitch. Fast and faster, at varied angles, with multiple wind-ups. It wasn't until Paige was 50 years old , and out of M.L. baseball, that he began throwing off-speed stuff. He re-invented himself and Veck bought into a AAA affiliate (Miami Marlins of the International League) and got his reluctant manager to play Paige. The results: 1956: 11-4  1.86 ERA 1957: 10-8 2.42 ERA  11 walks 1958: 10-10 2.95 ERA 15 walks - at age 52! Paige got a % of the gate...and a $15,000 salary. After the 1957 season, Paige went to Mexico to appear in the movie THE WONDERFUL COUNTRY (ironic title, isn't it.) with Robert Mitchum. (Satch played the character Sgt. Tobe Sutton, and made 10 grand. He called the flic "the pride of his life"). Source: http://en.wikippedia.org/wiki/Satchel_Paige In 1961, he pitched briefly for Portland (AAA) and had a 2.88 ERA, 18 SO's thru 25 IP. In 1965, Finley signed Paige at age 59 to pitch in one game - against the  Boston RedSox. Paige was in his rocker in the pen between innings, being served "coffee"by his "nurse". H threw three shutout innings against the likes of Gosger and Conigliaro. Only one player got a hit: Carl Yastrzemski. Paige was inducted into the HOF in 1971. It's sad that M.L.baseball never got to see him in his prime years. Think about this when you enjoy your local fireworks display tonight.
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    Great stuff ... thnx
     
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