Say they fire Valentine

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    Say they fire Valentine

    Who do we blame then?
     
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    [QUOTE]Who do we blame then?
    Posted by tbs2007[/QUOTE]


    It's all Bobby's fault.

    The pitching and hitting are off the charts.  Clearly Bobby stands in the way getting the W.
     
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    They won't fire Valentine.
     
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    Let the players manage themselves
     
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    The Anti Valentine

    Bill Spaceman Lee
     
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    They aren't going to fire Valentine.

    I am not sure why that is even being brought up.
     
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    [QUOTE]Who do we blame then?
    Posted by tbs2007[/QUOTE]

    Blame Lucchino and Henry for keeping Theo around so long after his "executive of the year and decade" awards.  His "boy genius" years were short lived. 
     
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    Watching college softball. Was Jenny Finch the only hot softball player in the history of softball? Alls these chicks must be pushing 200lbs.
     
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    I can see both sides of what happened on Saturday. 

    On the one hand this is a perfect time to give Doubrant a rest, so you go and get him.  After all, it's safe to assume that ANY BP can guard an eight run lead with three innings to go.

    On the other hand, he's only thrown 99 pitches and it IS his game to win or lose and he's not looking like he's 'out of gas'.  So you leave him there.

    Either way is defensible.  Were it me I'd have given him one more batter.  If he looked like he was struggling, THEN I'd go get him. 

    But... this isn't all about Saturday.  As I said, one can ordinarily make a case either way for Saturday - but this isn't an ordinary situation.  We're 14 games into the season and thus far BV has questioned Youk's commitment AND 'pulled a Grady Little' on Patriot's day by leaving Bard in too long (to pitch to Evan Longoria, no less) at a time when anyone could plainly see that Bard was 'done'. That makes him 0-for-2 in my book and being 0-2 kinda takes away any good will that existed previously.

    Thus far I've seen nothing about BV that impresses me. 
     
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    OP - very few people on this board have been blaming valentine - try to keep up
     
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    They fire Valentine and the Sox can forget about getting a quality replacement.

    Ever.


     
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    You blame Theo

    This is his mess for at least this season
     
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    In response to "Re: Say they fire Valentine": [QUOTE]Watching college softball. Was Jenny Finch the only hot softball player in the history of softball? Alls these chicks must be pushing 200lbs. Posted by tbs2007[/QUOTE] Jenny has enough to make up for all of them. Jenny is SICK.....
     
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    This is absolutely , positively on Theo and , to a lesser extent , his understudy, Cherington. To fire Valentine at this point would be utterly absurd.
     
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    In response to "Say they fire Valentine": [QUOTE]Who do we blame then? Posted by tbs2007[/QUOTE] J. D. Drew?
     
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    if they were 4-30 I'd say fire Valentine but they're 4-10
     
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    [QUOTE]Who do we blame then?
    Posted by tbs2007[/QUOTE]


    Bush.

    Who else?


     
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    I understand he has made a few questionable managerial calls BUT....He didnt cause Ells to be injured and crawford too need surgery, an oft. injured closer already on the DL,...have a utility man starting short as well as right field, a catcher who cant call a game,  the closer in the starting rotation, Aceves stretched to start then made the closer, Melancon in AAA. I dont blame Valentine calling out Youk. he has what 5 hits, and has looked questionable at third. And lastly, he sure as heck didnt put this bullpen together. 180mill. for a last place team...But hey we just traded for a center fielder...great move.
     
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    Theo is responsible for Youk.  He went for Gonzalez instead of Beltre and forced Youk to play out of position.
     
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    Youk out of Position? He came up as a third baseman.
     
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    [QUOTE]Theo is responsible for Youk.  He went for Gonzalez instead of Beltre and forced Youk to play out of position.
    Posted by andrewmitch[/QUOTE]
    At the time, I thought that was the right call. Now, not so much.
     
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    [QUOTE]Youk out of Position? He came up as a third baseman.
    Posted by tbs2007[/QUOTE]

    Right and Yaz was signed as a Shortstop.......
     
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    [QUOTE]I can see both sides of what happened on Saturday.  On the one hand this is a perfect time to give Doubrant a rest, so you go and get him.  After all, it's safe to assume that ANY BP can guard an eight run lead with three innings to go. On the other hand, he's only thrown 99 pitches and it IS his game to win or lose and he's not looking like he's 'out of gas'.  So you leave him there. Either way is defensible.  Were it me I'd have given him one more batter.  If he looked like he was struggling, THEN I'd go get him.  But... this isn't all about Saturday.  As I said, one can ordinarily make a case either way for Saturday - but this isn't an ordinary situation.  We're 14 games into the season and thus far BV has questioned Youk's commitment AND 'pulled a Grady Little' on Patriot's day by leaving Bard in too long (to pitch to Evan Longoria, no less) at a time when anyone could plainly see that Bard was 'done'. That makes him 0-for-2 in my book and being 0-2 kinda takes away any good will that existed previously. Thus far I've seen nothing about BV that impresses me. 
    Posted by S5[/QUOTE]


    All well said S5.....and you note BVs two most blatant blunders to date.   Leaving Bard in on Patriot's Day - nothing can be said to defend that move, nor calling Youk out in the media.  It's the Youk-type issues that create distractions and dissension, which, if continues, I could see getting him fired, vs. the on-field managerial blunders.  

     
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