September swoon: Guess who was our BEST starting pitcher?

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    September swoon: Guess who was our BEST starting pitcher?

    Tim "Wastefield" - the one most of the posters on this board don't want back.

    September ERA's:

    Wake: 5.25
    Bedard 5.25 (2.000 WHIP)
    Lester: 5.40
    Beckett: 5.48
    Weiland: 7.36
    Lackey:  9.13
     
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                               HA !!!
     
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    Tim "Wastefield" - the one most of the posters on this board don't want back. September ERA's: Wake: 5.25 Bedard 5.25 (2.000 WHIP) Lester: 5.40 Beckett: 5.48 Weiland: 7.36 Lackey:  9.13
    Posted by harness


    Well, with an ERA of 5.12 for the season, you could at least tout Wakefield for being consistent - consistently ineffective that is.  Some of the others just stunk in September.   
     
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    Actually, he was quite seviceable in the first half, considering he was starter insurance.
    First half: 5-3  4.74 ERA  1.273 WHIP
    2nd Half:   2-5  5.55 ERA  1.452 WHIP

    I seriously doubt the FO counted on him to log over 150 IP, so it's not surprising he ran low on gas.
     
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    Here is a something to research, how many wild pitches or passed balls took away runs scored from Wake's ERA, when in reality it was still his terrible pitching that caused those runs?

    How deep in the games did this "innings eater" really go?  Seems to me "tubby" couldn't last past the 5th inning most starts, he looks old and tired ... and sweats like a pig in a sauna. 

    Wake helped this team many times in the past.   He is now a terrible option.   Let the kids get experience, and let Wake walk.
     
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    Tim "Wastefield" - the one most of the posters on this board don't want back. September ERA's: Wake: 5.25 Bedard 5.25 (2.000 WHIP) Lester: 5.40 Beckett: 5.48 Weiland: 7.36 Lackey:  9.13
    Posted by harness


    Throw in some of the unearned runs due to the knuckleball that no one can catch. He gives up more HR's and unearned runs that just about anyone in MLB. 

    Reason: Impossible to catch knuckel ball

    If the knuckleball goes away, the unnecessary unearned runs go away.
     
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    In Response to September swoon: Guess who was our BEST starting pitcher? : Throw in some of the unearned runs due to the knuckleball that no one can catch. He gives up more HR's and unearned runs that just about anyone in MLB.  Reason: Impossible to catch knuckel ball If the knuckleball goes away, the unnecessary unearned runs go away.
    Posted by ADG


    Agree with you.  I still hope that Wakfield retires. 
     
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    I've been down on Wakefield off and on for a few years but the guy is a competitior and has won some big games for the Sox.  I'm dissapointed in the fact that he was the Sox senior pitcher and if all those things going on in the club house with other pitchers he wasn't able to curtail them.
     
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    he does allow too many homers and passed ball runs but facts are facts, he was still better than lackey, miller, and weiland all season long
     
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    In Response to September swoon: Guess who was our BEST starting pitcher? : Throw in some of the unearned runs due to the knuckleball that no one can catch. He gives up more HR's and unearned runs that just about anyone in MLB.  Reason: Impossible to catch knuckel ball If the knuckleball goes away, the unnecessary unearned runs go away.
    Posted by ADG


    Victor had no problem catching it.
     
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    Tim "Wastefield" - the one most of the posters on this board don't want back. September ERA's: Wake: 5.25 Bedard 5.25 (2.000 WHIP) Lester: 5.40 Beckett: 5.48 Weiland: 7.36 Lackey:  9.13
    Posted by harness

    Well that settles it, Wake to be opening day starter in '12.
     
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    Tim "Wastefield" - the one most of the posters on this board don't want back. September ERA's: Wake: 5.25 Bedard 5.25 (2.000 WHIP) Lester: 5.40 Beckett: 5.48 Weiland: 7.36 Lackey:  9.13
    Posted by harness


    harness - Let me clarify some things:

    1. Of the 24 innings Wakefield pitched thorughout the entire month, 20 of them were as a starter. If you recall, he pitched 4 scoreless meaningless innings in the 10-0 Ranger game.

    As a starter in September, Wakefield had the following numbers:

    ERA: 6.30
    WHIP: 1.55

    2. Those numbers don't include 7 (of the 21 total) unearned runs that were mostly due to passed balls and then Wakefield giving up additional hits and HR's after that. 

    If you eliminate a knuckleballer from the rotation, lots of unearned runs go away, period.

    So as a starter, Wakefield's ERA was only better than Weiland and Lackey.
     
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    Here is a something to research, how many wild pitches or passed balls took away runs scored from Wake's ERA, when in reality it was still his terrible pitching that caused those runs? How deep in the games did this "innings eater" really go?  Seems to me "tubby" couldn't last past the 5th inning most starts, he looks old and tired ... and sweats like a pig in a sauna.  Wake helped this team many times in the past.   He is now a terrible option.   Let the kids get experience, and let Wake walk.
    Posted by soxmeister


    Thank you. Moon and Co. seem to ignore his unearned runs, when the majority of them are caused by passed balls, and then more hits, versus errors made in the field.
     
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    he does allow too many homers and passed ball runs but facts are facts, he was still better than lackey, miller, and weiland all season long
    Posted by georom4


    And your point? None of those guys are worthy of being in the rotation either.
     
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    Tim "Wastefield" - the one most of the posters on this board don't want back. September ERA's: Wake: 5.25 Bedard 5.25 (2.000 WHIP) Lester: 5.40 Beckett: 5.48 Weiland: 7.36 Lackey:  9.13
    Posted by harness


    Anyone with over a 5.00 ERA for the season shouldnt be in a major league rotation. Wakefield is turning into Brett Farve, just sticking around for the numbers even though he has lost most of his ability. And I would guess that MOST fans dont care about him getting 7 more wins, since it would likelt take 25 starts to do it.
     
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    Re: September swoon: Guess who was our BEST starting pitcher?

    To be the best starter in a 7-20 month...HAHAHA, not anything impressive.  The whole rotation stunk.  He was just the skunk that smelled the best.
     
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    In Response to September swoon: Guess who was our BEST starting pitcher? : Anyone with over a 5.00 ERA for the season shouldnt be in a major league rotation. Wakefield is turning into Brett Farve, just sticking around for the numbers even though he has lost most of his ability. And I would guess that MOST fans dont care about him getting 7 more wins, since it would likelt take 25 starts to do it.
    Posted by gbman87603

     It wont take Wake 25 more starts, but 25 more years, for him to get 7 victories.
     
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    Re: September swoon: Guess who was our BEST starting pitcher?

    It was funny to hear all the complaining about "Wastefield" as if he was the one and only problem this team had. When, in fact, as harness pointed out, he was actually far from it.

     
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    Re: September swoon: Guess who was our BEST starting pitcher?

    " Best " might not be the word for it. Maybe, " least horrible " would be better.  Seriously, has the bar been lowered so far that an ERA over five is something that can be applauded?  The starting pitching was a disaster area, Wakefield included.
     
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    Re: September swoon: Guess who was our BEST starting pitcher?

    Wake was terrible, read the posts!  Some of you are continuing the Wake parade and ignoring the facts, go back and READ WHAT IS HERE.  He WAS NOT THE BEST PITCHER, HIS IDIOTIC PASSED BALLS AND WILD PITCHES NEGATED MANY RUNS THAT WERE STILL HIS FAULT.

    Enough of the Wake stuff.  Give a young arm that same job, then there is upside.  The only upside to Wake is his huge gut when he floats on his back in the pool. 
     
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    In Response to September swoon: Guess who was our BEST starting pitcher? : harness - Let me clarify some things: 1. Of the 24 innings Wakefield pitched thorughout the entire month, 20 of them were as a starter. If you recall, he pitched 4 scoreless meaningless innings in the 10-0 Ranger game. As a starter in September, Wakefield had the following numbers: ERA: 6.30 WHIP: 1.55 2. Those numbers don't include 7 (of the 21 total) unearned runs that were mostly due to passed balls and then Wakefield giving up additional hits and HR's after that.  If you eliminate a knuckleballer from the rotation, lots of unearned runs go away, period. So as a starter, Wakefield's ERA was only better than Weiland and Lackey.
    Posted by ADG


    Point taken. But if you point to one area, others have to also be acknowledged. Look at the runs charged to Wake this year that were the result of inherited runs. The BP did a shoddy job behind him as Tito often opted for lesser BO depth when Wake pitches. Same as years past.

    In addition, look at the majority of unearned runs with Wake on the mound beyond passed balls. The fielding was very poor in more of his games than behind any other starter. I believe Moon broke down the numbers.

    Wake went 6 IP or better in 13 of his 23 starts this year.
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that ranked 3rd on the staff.
    Wake was only meant to be starter insurance this year. Not throw 150+ frames.
     
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    Re: September swoon: Guess who was our BEST starting pitcher?

    Well, with an ERA of 5.12 for the season, you could at least tout Wakefield for being consistent - consistently ineffective that is.

    Wastefield is a joke. All MLB teams hope the Red Sox keep him so they can continue to pad stats by playing T-Ball on Timmy.
     
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    In Response to September swoon: Guess who was our BEST starting pitcher?:
    Tim "Wastefield" - the one most of the posters on this board don't want back. September ERA's: Wake: 5.25 Bedard 5.25 (2.000 WHIP) Lester: 5.40 Beckett: 5.48 Weiland: 7.36 Lackey:  9.13
    Posted by harness


    I love ya Harness, but would you PLEASE SHUT THE F up about Wake!!!!!!

    I have LOVED WAKE for the past decade!  I take no back seat to that!!!!

    BUt SERIOUSLY!!!  SHUT THE F UP!  NOBODY CARES right now!  A 5.25 ERA is nothing to shout out about!

    LET IT GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   Nobody is in the mood for it right now!
     
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    Re: September swoon: Guess who was our BEST starting pitcher?

    p.s.  sometimes you stat boys really get LOST in the numbers.  Like losing the forest by focusing so hard on those GD seedlings!
    SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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