SHOCKER!

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    SHOCKER!

    Last 14 days OPS:

    1) Ells      1.260

    2) Iggy    1.164

    3) Carp    1.160

    4) Salty   1.113

    5) Ortiz    1.071

    6) Gomes 1.028

    7) Ross      .944

    8) Nava     .917

    9) Pedey   .903

     

    Amazing to see 6 guys over 1.000 and 9 guys over .900!

     
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    Re: SHOCKER!

    In response to moonslav59's comment:

    Last 14 days OPS:

    1) Ells      1.260

    2) Iggy    1.164

    3) Carp    1.160

    4) Salty   1.113

    5) Ortiz    1.071

    6) Gomes 1.028

    7) Ross      .944

    8) Nava     .917

    9) Pedey   .903

     

    Amazing to see 6 guys over 1.000 and 9 guys over .900!



    Scoring runs was never going to be the problem for this team. Team ERA for June: 3.84, good for TENTH PLACE of the 15 AL teams. Not good enough.

     
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    Re: SHOCKER!

    I'll take 3.84 after factoring in we played 6 of 9 games in Fenway, and our opponents were:

    3 vs TX, 3 vs LAA, 2 vs NYY, and 1 vs TBR (who is 4th in the AL in runs scored).

    Plus, our ERA in May was 4.00 (7th in AL). It was 3.58 in April (4th).

    Overall, we are 7th at 3.81.

    Road ERA?

    1) NYY  3.28

    2) BOS  3.41

    3) KCR  3.61

    4) DET  3.79

    5) OAK  3.81

    6) TEX  4.10

    Sox4ever

     
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    Re: SHOCKER!

    In response to moonslav59's comment:

    I'll take 3.84 after factoring in we played 6 of 9 games in Fenway, and our opponents were:

    3 vs TX, 3 vs LAA, 4 vs NYY, and 1 vs TBR (who is 4th in the AL in runs scored).

    Sox4ever




    +1

     
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    Re: SHOCKER!

    a 3.84 team ERA would have ranked us 11th best in the MLB (5th best in AL) last season........so quit your whining PG!

    MASTER OF PUPPETS I'M PULLING YOUR STRINGS!!
    TWISTING YOUR MIND AND SMASHING YOUR DREAMS!!
    BLINDED BY ME YOU CAN'T SEE A THING!!
    JUST CALL MY NAME 'CUZ I'LL HEAR YOU SCREAM!!
    MASTER!! MASTER!!

     
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    Re: SHOCKER!

    Before tonight's game our starting pitchers had these numbers:

    ERA  3.67  (Best in over 10 years)

    WHIP 1.294 (2nd best in over 10 years)

    OPS against: .707 (Best in over 10 years)

     

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    I realize the league has changed since the PED era, but look at our recent year numbers of our starting pitchers:

     

    Last year:

    ERA  5.19

    WHIP 1.417

    OPS  .790

     

    2011:

    ERA  4.49

    WHIP 1.367

    OPS  .741

     

    2010:

    ERA  4.17

    WHIP 1.348

    OPS  .719

     

    2009:

    ERA  4.63

    WHIP  1.412

    OPS  .768

     

    2008:

    ERA 4.02

    WHIP  1.313

    OPS  .716

     

    2007: 

    ERA  4.21

    WHIP  1.300

    OPS .726

     

    2006:

    ERA  5.00

    WHIP 1.452

    OPS  .802

     

    2005:

    ERA  4.56

    WHIP  1.353

    OPS  .764

     

    2004:

    ERA  4.31

    WHIP 1.286

    OPS  .732

     

     

     

    Sox4ever

     
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    Re: SHOCKER!

    In response to pumpsie-green's comment:

    In response to moonslav59's comment:

    [QUOTE]

     

    Last 14 days OPS:

    1) Ells      1.260

    2) Iggy    1.164

    3) Carp    1.160

    4) Salty   1.113

    5) Ortiz    1.071

    6) Gomes 1.028

    7) Ross      .944

    8) Nava     .917

    9) Pedey   .903

     

    Amazing to see 6 guys over 1.000 and 9 guys over .900!

     



    Scoring runs was never going to be the problem for this team. Team ERA for June: 3.84, good for TENTH PLACE of the 15 AL teams. Not good enough.

     

    [/QUOTE]Baloney.  Before the season, scoring was a big concern.  In the AL especially, hitting trumps pitching.  Better to have both, but you must have hitting,  2004 team had great hitting, OK pitching.  2007 team had both.  

     
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    Re: SHOCKER!

    In response to moonslav59's comment:

    I'll take 3.84 after factoring in we played 6 of 9 games in Fenway, and our opponents were:

    3 vs TX, 3 vs LAA, 2 vs NYY, and 1 vs TBR (who is 4th in the AL in runs scored).

    Plus, our ERA in May was 4.00 (7th in AL). It was 3.58 in April (4th).

    Overall, we are 7th at 3.81.

    Road ERA?

    1) NYY  3.28

    2) BOS  3.41

    3) KCR  3.61

    4) DET  3.79

    5) OAK  3.81

    6) TEX  4.10

    Sox4ever




    You have to drill down a little deeper to see that the 3.84 is not a good 3.84. Buccholz is sugar coating the Sox team ERA with his 1.71. The rest of the starters have ERAs worse than 4.00.

     
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    Re: SHOCKER!

    Many of us knew we'd be a top 5 offense this year without major injuries. It was the staff that was the big concern. While the offense may be doing better than expected, the staff has blown away expectations despite Lester having serious issues, losing our closer, and having several other minor injury issues with several pitchers over the season.

    I do not believe Hitting trumps Pitching in the AL or anywhere. It's at best, equal.

    Here are this year's leaders in ERA-

    1) Texas  81   2nd best record in AL

    2) K C R   85   10th best

    3) Detroit 86   5th

    4) N Y Y   86   3rd

    5) C W S   89  10th

    6) Boston  89   1st

    7) Oakland 94  4th

     

    OPS

    1) Boston  .806 (4th in WPA)  1st record

    2) Balt       .781 (1st in WPA)  6th

    3) Detroit  .780 (5th in WPA)  5th

    4) Texas    .764 (7th in WPA)  2nd

    5) T B R     .752 (2nd in WPA)  7th

    6) Cleve    .746 (6th in WPA)   8th

    7) L A A    .742  (10th in WPA) 14th

     

    The home park effects a lot of these numbers, so let's look at runs swcored on the road:

    1) Oak

    2) Balt

    3) Bos

    4) Cle

    5) tex

    6) TBR

    7) Det

    8) NYY

    9) LAA

    10) Minn

    11) KC

    12) Hou

    13) CWS

    14) Tor

    15) Sea

     

    8) Toronto .729 (12th in WPA)

     

     

    Sox4ever

     
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    Re: SHOCKER!

    In response to seattlepat70's comment:

    In response to moonslav59's comment:

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    I'll take 3.84 after factoring in we played 6 of 9 games in Fenway, and our opponents were:

    3 vs TX, 3 vs LAA, 2 vs NYY, and 1 vs TBR (who is 4th in the AL in runs scored).

    Plus, our ERA in May was 4.00 (7th in AL). It was 3.58 in April (4th).

    Overall, we are 7th at 3.81.

    Road ERA?

    1) NYY  3.28

    2) BOS  3.41

    3) KCR  3.61

    4) DET  3.79

    5) OAK  3.81

    6) TEX  4.10

    Sox4ever

     




     

    You have to drill down a little deeper to see that the 3.84 is not a good 3.84. Buccholz is sugar coating the Sox team ERA with his 1.71. The rest of the starters have ERAs worse than 4.00.

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    Take away the ace from other teams and their ERAs will drop as well.. granted not as much, but Buch is a part of our staff.

    Before tonight's game, here is how our SPs ranked in SIERA (64 AL starters with 50+ IP):

    15) Lackey 3.45

    17) Buch     3.47

    23) Demp    3.76

    26) Lester   3.82

    31) Doub     3.89

    Not one of our starters is bottom half.

     

    How about tERA? (A Sanchez is first at 2.56)

    5) Buch  3.05

    24) Lester 4.22

    34) Lackey 4.46

    43) Doub    4.66

    48) Demp   4.90

    Not one SP in the bottom 25%.

     

    xFIP

    11) Buch

    17) Lackey

    20) Doubront

    23) Lester

    28) Dempster

    Amazing placement in this category. All 5 in the top 45% of MLb SP'ers with 50+ IP in 2013.

     

    ERA-:

    3 in the top 19 and 5 in the top 44 out of 64.

     

     

     
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    Re: SHOCKER!

    In response to pumpsie-green's comment:

    In response to moonslav59's comment:

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    Last 14 days OPS:

    1) Ells      1.260

    2) Iggy    1.164

    3) Carp    1.160

    4) Salty   1.113

    5) Ortiz    1.071

    6) Gomes 1.028

    7) Ross      .944

    8) Nava     .917

    9) Pedey   .903

     

    Amazing to see 6 guys over 1.000 and 9 guys over .900!

     



    Scoring runs was never going to be the problem for this team. Team ERA for June: 3.84, good for TENTH PLACE of the 15 AL teams. Not good enough.

     

    [/QUOTE]


    So, "you are what your record says you are" is out the window this year?

    I'm guessing that if the Sox slip to 3rd, it will somehow come back into vogue...

     
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    Re: SHOCKER!

    Anyone who complains about a 3.84 ERA with two-thirds of the games at Fenway, and all 9 games against top third offensive teams of the AL is not paying attention.

    Sox4ever

     
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    Re: SHOCKER!

    hitting may get you to the PO's but pitching gets you parades

     
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    Re: SHOCKER!

    In response to moonslav59's comment:

    Anyone who complains about a 3.84 ERA with two-thirds of the games at Fenway, and all 9 games against top third offensive teams of the AL is not paying attention.

    Sox4ever




    Dead on target.  Pitching, especially Sox pitching, can always be better, but up to now it has been pretty darn good, especially given our collective expectations. 

    Someone else started a thread that shows that good hitting/scoring teams in the AL consistently win more games on average than good pitching teams in the AL. 

     
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    Re: SHOCKER!

    In response to slasher9's comment:

    hitting may get you to the PO's but pitching gets you parades




    Which is a good reason not to panic about a dip pitching performance now.

     
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    Re: SHOCKER!

    In response to pumpsie-green's comment:

    In response to moonslav59's comment:

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    Last 14 days OPS:

    1) Ells      1.260

    2) Iggy    1.164

    3) Carp    1.160

    4) Salty   1.113

    5) Ortiz    1.071

    6) Gomes 1.028

    7) Ross      .944

    8) Nava     .917

    9) Pedey   .903

     

    Amazing to see 6 guys over 1.000 and 9 guys over .900!

     



    Scoring runs was never going to be the problem for this team. Team ERA for June: 3.84, good for TENTH PLACE of the 15 AL teams. Not good enough.

     

    [/QUOTE]

    What is the team record for June? The is much more important. If you have the best pitching in the league and the best hitting in the league you would win 120 games. This is the best team in the AL especially in June want more do you want?

     
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    Re: SHOCKER!

    In response to moonslav59's comment:

    Anyone who complains about a 3.84 ERA with two-thirds of the games at Fenway, and all 9 games against top third offensive teams of the AL is not paying attention.

    Sox4ever



    And what is the team era minus the last two games?

     
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    Re: SHOCKER!

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    Scoring runs was never going to be the problem for this team. Team ERA for June: 3.84, good for TENTH PLACE of the 15 AL teams.  Not good enough.

     

     

    Scoring runs were a given.?   No one in all of baseball came close to predicting this before the season . Just the opposite.

     



    I've always questioned why though. The players they signed to replace the players they traded away or didn't re-sign, were fully capable of coming close to producing the same output Or surpassing it. They were gritty veterans not flashy big named stars I guess? IDK? All I can say is not everyone on BDC thought they were an Island of misfit toys doomed for last place. 

     
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    Re: SHOCKER!

    Even w/ SP. Who'd you rather have on your team right now? Beckett or Dempster? W/ all of the gnashing of teeth and complaints about Dempster (some justified), I'd still take Dempster. 

     
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    Re: SHOCKER!

    In response to slasher9's comment:

    hitting may get you to the PO's but pitching gets you parades



    BOOYAH! +100    rewind back to 04 and 07

     
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    Re: SHOCKER!

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    In response to darrylfries' comment:

     

    Scoring runs was never going to be the problem for this team. Team ERA for June: 3.84, good for TENTH PLACE of the 15 AL teams.  Not good enough.

     

     

    Scoring runs were a given.?   No one in all of baseball came close to predicting this before the season . Just the opposite.

     

     



    I've always questioned why though. The players they signed to replace the players they traded away or didn't re-sign, were fully capable of coming close to producing the same output Or surpassing it. They were gritty veterans not flashy big named stars I guess? IDK? All I can say is not everyone on BDC thought they were an Island of misfit toys doomed for last place. 

     

     



    Didn't say a word about expectations of finishing first or last.

     

    Just said ''no one'' predicted we would lead the league in runs scored.  Ortiz was hurt and getting older   IB was very questionable at best due to Naps injury   Ells was coming off a poor year    Iggy was expected to hit .200 not .400    Salty is putting up better numbers than most thought.     Nava is having almost an All Star year                                                              At this point Gomes is the only real failure and even he has picked it up in June.  Tell me just who predicted this??      Nobody is the answer.

    [/QUOTE]

    Leading the league? No. Top 5 offense? Yes. 

     
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    Re: SHOCKER!

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    In response to pumpsie-green's comment:

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    In response to moonslav59's comment:

     

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    Last 14 days OPS:

    1) Ells      1.260

    2) Iggy    1.164

    3) Carp    1.160

    4) Salty   1.113

    5) Ortiz    1.071

    6) Gomes 1.028

    7) Ross      .944

    8) Nava     .917

    9) Pedey   .903

     

    Amazing to see 6 guys over 1.000 and 9 guys over .900!

     

     



    Scoring runs was never going to be the problem for this team. Team ERA for June: 3.84, good for TENTH PLACE of the 15 AL teams. Not good enough.

     

     

     

    [/QUOTE]Baloney.  Before the season, scoring was a big concern.  In the AL especially, hitting trumps pitching.  Better to have both, but you must have hitting,  2004 team had great hitting, OK pitching.  2007 team had both.  

     

    [/QUOTE]

    I kind of don't remember anyone agreeing me when I said I expected us to finish about 2nd/3rd in offense in the off-season.

     
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