Re: Should Ben go ?
posted at 10/6/2012 10:36 AM EDT
In response to TrotterNixon's comment:
So basically you wantEd to dump Ellsbury,
No, I wanted to trade Ellsbury's last 2 years, instead of paying him about 20 million. I was right, he was nothing but a bum this season, which is typical for this guy who has problems showing up for work.
have a hitter who only hits against the Yankees,
So, you wanted that bum, Aviles, who doesn't hit against anyone, while I wanted Ciriaco who gets on base and has terrific speed and fields very well with excellent range.
a hitter who does not hit,
Iglesias has a greater impact with his fielding in every game, even when doesn't hit at all. as opposed to a SS who can't field a lick or hit a lick.
not actually improve the pitching,
Getting rid of Beckett would have improved the pitching. But, the incompetent Cherry did nothing to improve the pitching, even assuming frat boy Beckett had nothing to do with the pitching staff performance.
Now, put up or shut up. Right now, give the specifics of who you and the incompetent Cherry are looking to acquire to improve the pitching. What's out there is either bums with no value beyond cheap one year deals or a few massive contracts like Lee that other teams are desparately trying to find a sucker for.
waste another 22 million on Crawford which is almost twice as much as they put in the trade,
Selling low on Crawford is what makes you and Cherry incompetent. You buy bums like he and Ellsbury high and then sell them low. Ellspuff is now seeking the same kind of deal that the incompetent GM's office that included Cherry offered 142 million for. Odds alone say that Crawford's final work with the 2012 Red Sox would be followed by a decent 2013 that would enable the Red Sox to trade him with an increased trade value during the summer. It also allows them to get rid of the embarrassing Ellspuff and still get rid of Crawford's embarrassing contract 6 to 12 months closer to Bradley, Jr.
For the record, they gave away AGon and sent at least 12 million to get rid of Beckett and Crawford. Crawford's cost for half a year is about 10 million and 20 million for a season. You must work for Osama Obama. Your numbers are wrong.
Ellsbury 2012 and 2013 will cost about 20 million.
and have two hitters who had worse seasons then Cody Ross making a combine 11 times more than him? I guess 69 wins was too much for. Maybe you should be the one who goes...
Cody Ross didn't have a better season than J. Upton. In Fenway, Ross was a whopping .807 OPS in Fenway, while Upton had a down season with a .785 OPS which would have exploded in Fenway with AGon. As for two players, it's pretty clear that the Red sox went from a marginal .500 team to a laughing stock when this "trade" was make. Cody Ross inn't anymore capable of playing more than a part-time season than Ellsbury. Had the Red Sox gone with J. Upton and AGon from opening day, got rid of Beckett, the leverage would have changed the production of both the offense and the run prevention that changes with game pressure from the opponent getting behind frequently, early.
The 69 wins are 100% on the incompetent GM Cherry. That is a fact. He did zero before the trade deadline and then did a desparate waiver wire deal to cover his own incompetence.
Signing Nick Punto to a two year contract was the essence of incompetence. Cherry vacillated and is now hoping that dumping his own mistakes saves his job by turning the Red Sox into the Twins.
I can't wait for the incompetent Cherry and his next moves. Sell low and buy high, and write off more mistakes.
You are the only one in the world that thinks Aviles did not have a good season with the bat and a solid season with the glove. Ross played the 3rd most games on the team and proved to many he is an every day player. Your arguement is based on a fantasy world that is so far from reality you have become comical. You blast the trade that frees up 260 million dollars but proposed other trades and scenarios that would cost the Sox a lot more then 12 million. You also are critical for fixing mistakes some one else made. You know who would have looked real good a Red Sox this year Kuroda and for only 10 million he was a bargain.