Should Iglesias be up in Boston

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    Hitting is not essential fom the SS position, if the SS is taking away 60-100 hits a year over the average ML SS.

    That being said, Iglesias should not be put under the intense Boston spot light so early in his career. We have other options this year, so it will play itself out.
     
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    cpjohn--I agree--perhaps a Reyes deal--sign and trade--take both Reyes and Beltran(Salary dump)--for JD( salary dump), Doubront, Iggy and Reddick. Depending upon the Reyes deal perhaps two other prospects.

    Reyes would be the long term SS answer and Beltran may be a remainder of season RF answer.
     
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    Doesn't it seem that Boston is the only team that leaves prospects in the minors way too long? I mean, they wait until a player is 24 or 25 before they give him a shot at playing regularly in the bigs.
    I agree that bringing a young player up to ride the pine is not good for development. Look at Tampa, they bring up young players and insert them into the starting line-up right away. Boston should do the same.
     
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    I agree with all the posters that in an ideal world you would want Iglesias to get AB's at the Minor League level.....but we are not in an ideal world. The Major league team is trying to win and win now.....we are not Kansas City. Iglesias on our bench , as a late inning defensive replacment and pinch runner would help thie team win games now...I am not advocating he be the starting shortstop unless you are froced to by Injury like with Lowries sore shoulder the other day and when Scutaro comes back, you send him down.....Sutton can hit a little.....but he is horrible in the field, as is lowrie at SS.....so how does Sutton help you on the bench?
     
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    After watching Drew Sutton the last 7 games, I think we are making a mistake not having Iglesias up....one....he is an above avergae major league defender already.....two, he adds a speed element at the end of the game....and three, even if his bat is not ready, its not like Sutton is much better. There have been at least 4 balls that I believe iglesias would have gotten to that Sutton hasnt including the hit up the middle yesterday that made it 7-3, plus if you need to have Lowrie and Iglesias in the game at the same time it moves Lowrie from SS, which is his weakest position, with Sutton they leave Lowrie and SS and you are weak at two positions. As far as him needing at bats down in the minors...he can learn more about hitting just from talking to Adrian Gonzalez than being in the minors...even big papi would agree with that. 
    Posted by tomnev


    Here are two articles I wrote for Fire Brand on 5/6 and 5/9

    http://firebrandal.com/2011/05/06/the-real-shortstop-controversy/
    http://firebrandal.com/2011/05/09/my-thoughts-on-the-iglesias-promotion/

    They're too long to rewrite, but bringing up Iglesias now is a waste of time.  He'd have to perform far better than what he's capable of providing with his bat even to be worthy of receiving major league PAs.  Plus, with Crawford, Ellsbury, Pedroia, and Cameron, do we really need additional speed on the basepaths?  Probably not.  The best move with Iglesias is to get regular PAs in AAA, so that way he can possibly be a major league quality player one day.  Bringing him up now to ride the bench, be a defensive replacement, and pinch run will stunt his development.
     
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    Iglesias is fast. 4.1 to first base, Kalish 4.3. 
     
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    The current Sox team is perfectly capable of winning the WS on just the talent they have right now.  Barring injuries, they can season Iglesias all year and hope someone at AAA can help him learn to hit at an acceptable major league level.  Ask Pedroia how tough the fans can be when high expectations don't meet on field performance as a rookie.  Let him get some experience without the pressure.
     
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                             He should be because he's the best we've got, catch and throw, for the SS position. This kid knows what's in front of him. Sink or swim, pass or fail. The quicker this kid gets his chance the better off the FO will be able to make a decision on the position. Oh no!! we'll stunt his growth, we'll hurt his development, his psyche may get damaged, those big bad major leaguers will take advantage of his inability to hit. All you nay sayers take off the skirt. This is baseball, a mans game. We need what he's got right now,today ,this minute. Get him up and let him play. Start him for 3 games against the weak hitting A's, then make a decision. There is no playoff spot without a good SS. If Iggy doesn't work for us I'm sure somebody else will take a chance with him. Then we'll be able to proceed with an interim or go all in for a regular SS.  Do not dilly dally with this problem. The solution is out there waiting to be found. Those other 3 guys are part of the problem. At worst this kid is part of the solution.
     
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    i totally agree that the sox leave their prospects in the minors too long. Reddick is 24 and is just getting his shot now. What people dont seem to understand is that we dont need iglesias to hit. we need his defensively ability. He would hit 9th in the order so not much offensively would be expected from him. Look at omar vizquel who jose is often compared to, he is a career .273 hitter but his defensive ability is what made him such a good player.One more great example is ozzie smith. He is a half of famer but was just a career .262 hitter. Shortstop is all about defense. Jed has 8 errors already and has terrible range and not much of an arm. He is a 2B playing SS and it has become more evident as time has gone on. 
     
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    The Sox won two WS without a Gold Glove SS, the second with Lugo who was a basket case in the field and at bat. 

    By far the biggest problem is pitching, not the SS. 
     
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    Do not dilly dally with this problem.

    Theo has been dithering a long time on the position of SS, and he will continue to do so. He can't give up his pipe dream of a slugging SS who fields the position well enough to not be noticed. He currently has a butcher SS, after overpaying for a career year of a career UIF/2B. He's going to continue to straddle the fence, then he will sell out low from a position of weakness.

    Lugo was slightly above average, defensively, in 2007. His contract was another Theo mistake for a career high season that was following by a partial season that was poor. Lugo was and still is hated by most Red Sox fans, and was despised as a starter on the 2007 championship team. He is considered the red-headed step-child of the 2007 championship team, although any wire to wire SS is more of an integral part of the division title championshp team than a late call-up coming off the bench. In Boston, it's what you look like and where you come from that decides who is liked and who is loathed. 

    Iggy could hit sub-Mendoza and improve this team by playing SS. He is extemely quick on his feet, both running the bases and moving east to west.

    This team continues to be weak up the middle defensively. The GM's job is to take all reasonable steps to improve the current roster without damaging the future. AGon was the only move that addressed a team current and future team weakness. There is no reason whatsoever the team doesn't have a better defense up the middle and another proven and healthy pen arm, other than Theo, himself.
     
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    I agree that iglesias should be up right now. Lowrie can hit but his fielding is below average for a major league shortstop. He has brutal range and is much better suited to play second base. Call up iglesias, send down sutton. Sox should look to deal lowrie for either a right fielder to replace drew or a starter. They should try to move him while his value is so high. 
    Posted by redsoxpride34


    take lowrie bat out of the lineup?
     
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    Right now the best player in the Sox minor league system is Bryce Brentz the dude can flatout hit! He also should be a poster child for why compensation picks should be valued...Iglesias is already MLB ready glove wise he just needs to hit .250 to take the job away from whomever..
    Posted by sportsbozo1


    Brentz was Placed on the DL with a wrist injury on May 27, likely out until mid-June
     
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    The Sox won two WS without a Gold Glove SS, the second with Lugo who was a basket case in the field and at bat. 

    Orlando Cabrera was a much better fielder than Nomar. I think his fielding made a big difference in winning the 2004 ring.

    Julio Lugo had pretty good range before the injuries took over. I'd say it made him above average in 2007 (19 errors). He was still a wire-to-wire bust, but his fielding in 2007 was better than Jed's is now.
     
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    Wastefield is a wire to wire bust. No wire to wire SS on a title team can be a wire to wire bust. He would have been benched, if that was the case.

     
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    Iggy

    36 games
    7 errors 
    .512 OPS
    6 BB 23 K

    IMO he probably needs at least another year in AAA.
     
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    The last thing the Sox need right now is yet another easy or automatic out in the lineup and that's what Iglesias is right now.  He's young and he "may" develop into a serviceable major leaguer some day, but he has a long way to go.  He's just another over-hyped prospect right now who may or may not amount to much.  Gonzalez, Ortiz and Ellsbury have carried the team offensively thus far and Pedroia and Youkilis are starting to hit better recently.  After that, Crawford who had a great week and will unquestionably improve as the season progresses has underperformed thus far and guys like Drew, Cameron, Salty, Tex and Scutaro are essentially non factors (contribute something once in a blue moon).  Lowrie can hit, but defensively he's below average.  Scutaro cannot hit and defensively he's average at best.   The end of the Dice K era is apparently at hand and that will help, but right now the issues of whether or not Lackey can bounce back, Beckett can sustain his tremendous start to the season and Lester and Buchholz can be consistently good are the larger issues.  The bullpen is something of a mess (seems like it always is) and good starting pitching from 4 guys can mask the apparent deficiences. 
     
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    i totally agree that the sox leave their prospects in the minors too long. Reddick is 24 and is just getting his shot now. What people dont seem to understand is that we dont need iglesias to hit. we need his defensively ability. He would hit 9th in the order so not much offensively would be expected from him. Look at omar vizquel who jose is often compared to, he is a career .273 hitter but his defensive ability is what made him such a good player.One more great example is ozzie smith. He is a half of famer but was just a career .262 hitter. Shortstop is all about defense. Jed has 8 errors already and has terrible range and not much of an arm. He is a 2B playing SS and it has become more evident as time has gone on. 
    Posted by redsoxpride34


    Too long?  Really?  What position would Reddick play?  Does it make sense for him to ride the bench on the major league club?  Or does it make more sense to continue to develop in AAA?  His plate discipline is still very much a work in progress, and most scouts see his ceiling as a fourth outfielder.

    As for the SS position, you're not entirely correct.  While it's very important to be defensively oriented at SS, you can't put someone out there every day that's going to hit like Alcedes Escobar circa 2010 every day, and that's essentially what you'd be doing.  Even with Lowrie's less than savory defense, he's still worth anywhere from 2-3 wins more than Iglesias is likely to be.  Iglesias might save more runs with his glove, but he'll cost more than that with his bat.  You have to look at the whole picture.
     
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    IMO he probably needs at least another year in AAA

    It was also your opinion that Lowrie is already an elite MLB SS. Hard to find anyone that calls him a SS, in the first place.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Should Iglesias be up in Boston : Too long?  Really?  What position would Reddick play?  Does it make sense for him to ride the bench on the major league club?  Or does it make more sense to continue to develop in AAA?  His plate discipline is still very much a work in progress, and most scouts see his ceiling as a fourth outfielder. As for the SS position, you're not entirely correct.  While it's very important to be defensively oriented at SS, you can't put someone out there every day that's going to hit like Alcedes Escobar circa 2010 every day, and that's essentially what you'd be doing.  Even with Lowrie's less than savory defense, he's still worth anywhere from 2-3 wins more than Iglesias is likely to be.  Iglesias might save more runs with his glove, but he'll cost more than that with his bat.  You have to look at the whole picture.
    Posted by redsoxfan791[/QUOTE
    Right to the point.

     
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    No No and No...only for defensive purposes...let him matriculate in minors to get the batting average up and build success...

    Last I heard AROD "Loves" him...
     
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    Last time I checked, the Red Sox were a business, one which has already invested $10M in this young phenom.  Given that investment, they are unlikely to risk convincing young Iglesias that he cannot and never will be able to hit MLB pitching.  Right now he can't even hit AAA pitching. 

    I also think there is a lot of over-reacting to the current shortstop(s) and, by extension, delusional thinking about just what a good--not yet great--fielding SS would bring to the defense, especially one who is error prone. 

     
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    Mentally the kid has the makeup to be the bigs...he reminds me so much of a young Omar Vizquel. Like Omar, Jose will need time...
     
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