Re: should PEDRO have gone in by HIMSELF?
posted at 2/11/2014 8:43 AM EST
In response to JIMMYPROFFER's comment:
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Contrary to what some have said here, if I was building a team and had to choose between Roger and Pedro...at their peaks...I would prefer Pedro everyday and twice on Sunday.
In my opinion, Roger burn't bridges leaving Boston and even after he was gone...plus he began 'roid use to return to Cy level at the end and after leaving Boston. Those who don't believe he used are kidding themselves.
To use the Zimmer incident andPedro shutting himself down at the end of one season as negatives is shortsighted, all he did was push aside the fool for charging him, Zimmer had no business being anywhere near Pedro in that situation
...let's not forget this was the same guy who pitched the one hitter in Cleveland in relief during the '99 playoffs, and many other great performances, along with teaming with Schilling to lead the Sox in '04 and create the greatest choke in baseball history.
I guess I am tainted against Clemens because of the way he handled his final years in Boston and lost respect for him when he started in Toronto winning a Cy or two...where was that pitcher during his final Boston contract?
What did Roger do in his final years in Boston which bothers you so much? Did he complain about his contract to the media like Pedro constantly did?
You need to realize that the red sox hall is merely a marketing tool by the sox. It is a boys club and nothing more than that. Roger played in a time when the Celtic's ruled, yet he still managed to get microphones pushed in front of him every night. If not for a bad decision by McNamara, Roger would have brought a ws to Boston. That 86 team is still very special.
Roger was never found guilty of using roids and when the talk of roids is directed at Papi, there are those who will say that MLB has messed up this whole thing. Dan D got in front of the cameras and said Clemens was on the decline of his career. At Pedro's age now, Clemens was still producing.
Pedro was a great pitcher but does not deserve special treatment in this matter.
Steven, are you from Boston or live in the Boston area?? I would think not, because Boston is a baseball town...and was even during Clemens early years despite the championship caliber teams the Celtics were putting on the court.
Clemens was great here until that final contract, and I am convinced he went through the motions for most of it...making Dan Duquette...a very astute baseball man...think he was at the twilight of his career. As I've stated before it was so coincidental that Clemens reverted back to being an ace type pitcher around the all-star break of his final season in Boston...these are the facts!!
Clemens did not get convicted of 'roid use, but when someone steps forward and claims he injected him and his wife for that matter...it takes it to a different level.
Regarding Ortiz...other than him being on a list...nobody else has come forward, yet, to claim they supplied him with anything...not like AROID and Roger the Dodger.
Steven, if I had to guess your position here is first and foremost because you are a fan of the Boston team's arch rivals...just confirm that is where you are coming from and I will understand your position.
You know where I'm coming from, and I have been forthright saying I am tainted towards Clemens...I remember the details...you just remember the guy as a cheater and Yankee!
Clemens last 3 seasons in Boston he had ERA's of 2.85, 4.18 and 3.63. hardly "going through the motions".
Let's be honest, you hate Clemens because he went to the Yanks and you defend Ortiz because he's still on the Sox.
Jim, truth is I do hate Clemens...but not because he went to the Yankees...he was traded there and I don't blame a guy for making a living.
However, whether the stats truly reflect this or not...there were differences in his performance and attitude during his final years in Boston...that is what I hate about him and the fact that he leaves town and becomes the ace pitcher he was before...here are the numbers:
11 14 0.44 4.46 1994 31
9 7 0.563 2.85 1995 32
10 5 0.667
Hardly CY caliber pitching here...those era's in the 4's were an aberration too...when he was good his ERA was in the low 2's.