Should the Sox....

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    Should the Sox....

    Open negotiations with Big Papi to let him know that they want him on the team for the few years, albeit at a reasonable price?

    Reports say Papi is a little upset that despite the year he is having and what he has done for the organization, he is no idea what the teams feelings are on him being re-signed.

    I think we all agree that the value of full time DH's have been devalued the last few years and with what happened with interleague play I can see why a manager would prefer a DH rotation, but I think the Sox owe David the courtesy of letting him know they would like to have him finsih his career with the Sox if possible....let him know specific numbers can be discussed in the off season but give him the love he deserves for what he has done and continues to do for this team

     
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     I'd leave this issue alone. Management has probably told him when this issue will be addressed and I don't see the point in stirring up a lot of negativity in the middle of a pennant race. The media would certainly be happy to rile things up and Ortiz, himself, might raise the issue but he should know that if he continues to have a great season he'll be rewarded accordingly.
     
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    rkarp,you hit the nail on the head.Better to have Ortiz a little confused/hurt by the lack of an offer than upset with management with an offer he thinks is disrespectful.It would make for an uncomfortable clubhouse if Ortiz was upset by what he perceives as an insult of an offer.
     
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    Open negotiations with Big Papi to let him know that they want him on the team for the few years, albeit at a reasonable price? Reports say Papi is a little upset that despite the year he is having and what he has done for the organization, he is no idea what the teams feelings are on him being re-signed. I think we all agree that the value of full time DH's have been devalued the last few years and with what happened with interleague play I can see why a manager would prefer a DH rotation, but I think the Sox owe David the courtesy of letting him know they would like to have him finsih his career with the Sox if possible....let him know specific numbers can be discussed in the off season but give him the love he deserves for what he has done and continues to do for this team
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    I don't know what the policy really is, but I am of two minds here.  Making Papi feel better by talking to him is a possible benefit.  Making him PO'd because the talks are not somehow respectable is a direct possibility.

    My original thought was it couldn't hurt to talk ... but then the memory of Pedro feeling disrespected came to mind as well as the two year offer to VMart last  year ...
     
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    A poster, supra, said, in 2009, Ortiz was in "steep decline". He now posts about not "upsetting him with an offer during the season". He was gone the entire 2010 because his favorite player was indicting red Sox management and taking a year off.

    Dear Mr. Ortiz,

    I'm ashamed of the bigoted based double standard that is most Boston fans. I've been a Red Sox fan since 1967, but have reached my limit on the terrible nature of most Boston fans.

    You have taken absurd levels of abuse, despite having provided Red Sox fans with the most impressive quality body of team work player leadership in Red Sox history. You single handedly lead the charge to end the Yankee ownership of the Red Sox, still remaining, to all Yankees, the most feared player in Yankee history (You did it again to the Yankees, last night, leading the team). Winning is part of your superstar status. You represent what a real superstar is. Now that you are in the final stage of an age related athletic career, it's disgusting to see the way you have been jerked around by management. Most Boston fans were abusive in 2009 and 2010, calling you washed up and complaining too much about your batting position and future contract. Boston media abused you by stalking you during your slow starts or slumps, making it a daily circus captious feeding frenzy. 

    This Board has been constantly abusive. A poster, in 2009, claimed you were in "steep decline". Another poster claimed you should be benched vs. nearly all LHP. And while Mike Lowell is a good Red Sox citizen and former player, it was disgusting to see the tenor of comments about benching you in favor of the more popular Lowell. Lowell had injuries that were revealed and showed he was no longer capable of doing either an everyday or bench job, yet he was the choice of Boston during your slump of 2010.

    Wakefield has had an ERA over 5 for more than 2 years elapsed season time. Boston media and fans are overwhelming in calling for Wakefield and Varitek to be resigned. Yet, keep carping about DH market value not being over 8M a year and any deal should not be for more than 8M base a year.

    I support giving you a contract for 15M for 2012, and a mutual option for 5M for year 2 so you can opt out if FA market for your services is larger. In addition, a $175,000 a year lifetime consultant and PR work when you retire, regardless of whether you play another few years with another team.  For what you have done for the Red Sox, it is important to me that you finish your career as the highest paid DH in history during one season!

    You have handled the jerking and abuse with grace. But I'm a fan who is speaking out against Boston double standards. I'm embarrassed that Theo is silent on your Red Sox future!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    If Theo deson't offer you a good faith contract, now, for at least what you are making this year, I believe the long term best interest of the Red Sox is for you to protect future player abuse by calling Brian Cashman, after your contract expires, and tell him you would appreciate the respect of a serious offer to play for the Yankees in 2012.

    If you were to sign with the Yankees, I not only respect it but approve it. The abuse you have taken from bigoted Boston media and fans does not deserve your continued graceful loyalty. If you sign with the Yankees, I will not pull for the Yankees but I will pull for you to have a great season.

    I specifically exclude great Red Sox owner John Henry from my criticism. My hope is he will read my letter and intervene on your behalf. Mr. Henry has been loyal and by your side during your lows. My hope is that he will give his personal attention and best judgment to your case. I respect and trust Mr. Henry's leadership. I do not have confidence in middle management.

    Thank you for being the smiling charismatic face and leader of Red Sox return to the best brand in baseball! And continued best wishes on leading this Red Sox team to another championship!  

    Best regards,

    Softlaw
    softlaw@yahoo.com
     
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    Ortiz will be getting the "treatment" and it will be called "it's just business" and that's why players who are long-time Sox who perform often get disappointed by this employer. They would rather give 142 mil and 82 mil and 70 mil and 53 mil to guys who never did a thing for Sox prior to their guaranteed contracts. Nomar, Mo, Clemens, and you can go on and on, and maybe you can make a case that the Sox were right not to sew those players up, but I take care of my own if you win with them. 
     
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    I'd be begging Papelbon's agent to get a contract done right now. Longer you wait, the harder it will be, and the cost will get higher. Eventually you lose the guy to another franchise willing to pay the piper. 
     
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    Let him finish the season first. IMO, its Never good to negotiate in-season in this situation..Im sure the FO will take care of Papi if he continues what hes doing at the plate. Papi has to remember not to be too sensitive about this cause its not personal, its a business after all..The media is asking him these questions to stir the pot and trying to bait him. He just needs to concentrate on his hitting and the rest will take care of itself.
     
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    David is currently on a hot streak.  I would not worry about him being disappointed.  Either it is making him do better (to prove his worth), or not hurting him at all.  Let it be.
     
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    I just go off of past history for Theo. He lets the players stew, and it helps him PR wise when he lets them go. It's a strategy that might be good for business, but also might be somewhat callous. 
     
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    That uber-stupid post about bigotry is almost breathtaking.

    If there is one player who is BELOVED by most Sox fans, it's Big Papi.  The ONLY negatives I hear (read) about him is on this site.  And in 2009, that same poster was among several claiming Papi was all done. 

    I'm not sure which is worse.  Claiming to be a supporter - when he's already stabbed Papi in the back - or using the race card to make the situation seem worse.

    I think it is finally time to ban that poster for life.  His diatribe has gone from normal idiocy to attempting to hurt both player, team and community.  I know it can't be done, but this is the worst case of two-faced hatred I've seen expressed on this site to date.  I am literally fighting back p uke.

    Shame on you, softy.  You are reprehensible.

     
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    rame, 142 million was spent on CC, 82 mil spent on Lack...sounds to me like 24 mil for 3 is not only fair, but worth it. I'd open up negotiations tomorrow and get it done. But that's not the Sox FO MO....they just leave you hanging and hide behind old business practices. Either they want you back cheap or not back at all, but they won't show their cards to their players, and it's getting old, that way of negotiating. 
     
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    Wow, what a pompous jerk!  Softy, you are out of your mind.  No one is reading anything you write.  You might as well just go outside and yell at the top of your lungs.  You have just as much chance of Red Sox management hearing you that way.  Or maybe you can get something done during your next round of scratch golf.
     
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    The ONLY negatives I hear (read) about him is on this site. And in 2009, that same poster was among several claiming Papi was all done.

    You are either suffering from dimentia, icon looks like it, or you are a total liar!

    Softlaw was in Ortiz's corner in 2009! War smitten fantasy flea called Ortiz "in steep decline" in 2009 and wanted him benched v. Lhp.

    The pompous jerks are most on this board who were verbally lynching Ortiz in 2009 and 2010 and now supporting the jerking around Ortiz is getting from Theo "i'm an idiot who signed Crawford on 2010 WAR" InEpstein.
     
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    No one calls Ortiz in 2009 "in serious decline" and then, today, says "he's my favorite player". "The kid" is your wet dream.

    The lies are your nonsense.  I said Olney was a little coward when you supported the "meeting to discuss DFA'ing Ortiz". You little flea!

     
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