So Long for now, IGGY......"We hardly knew thee" !!

  1. You have chosen to ignore posts from georom4. Show georom4's posts

    Re: So Long for now, IGGY......

    In response to moonslav59's comment:

    In response to georom4's comment:

     

    In response to moonslav59's comment:

     

    In response to georom4's comment:

     

    I guess Ben cant accept the fact that was wrong about Iggy's readiness to be on Sox and play MLB...so he will disrupt the top rated defense by removing its most important player (who is also hitting like mad) so that he can justify overspending on a one year rental with a guy who is average at best and injury prone.... 

    That is some seriously good GMing there isnt it folks? Impressed? Does Ben even understand anything about momentum? Team Dynamics? How about plain old baseball?

     



    It's not about Iggy's hitting, and besides, he's not "hitting like mad". He's bunting for hits like mad. Eventually Iggy's BA will go below .270 and now your argument is kaput.

     

    Iggy's defense is so good and so much better than Drew's that he should play. Short and simple and the truth.

     



    he's batting .450 with two doubles and the last game was his first w/o a hit....do you even bother to watch the games?

     

     



    Yes, I watch every play of every game and many plays 2-3 times.

     

    Iggy is "bunting like mad". I stand by my position, because it happens to be the right position.

    Go back and "watch the games" yourself, and tell me again that he is "hitting like mad". He was hitting better in ST as his numbers looked worse. He made several hard outs.

    I think 6 of his 9 hits are bunts or IF hits. He has no BBs. He is not a great hitter. He is not a good hitter. He probably is not even a fair hitter. A 21 PA sample size proves nothing, even if all his 9 hits were rope 2Bs.

     

    Again, Iggy should be our starting full time SS for the rest of the year based on his defense and some intangibles on offense, such as his bunting and base-running skills as compared to Drew's.

    People using Iggy's offense to justify his playing time are building a house of cards in wind tunnel.


     

    Iggy is second or third in all those batting categories you love - he did it all that with bunts? are you saying those metrics besides batting average are useless? last time i checked he was beating Pedroia is just about every measure of batting....

     
  2. This post has been removed.

     
  3. You have chosen to ignore posts from moonslav59. Show moonslav59's posts

    Re: So Long for now, IGGY......

    Waaaayyyy over Georom's head, Mef...Don't bother...You could tell him that the Sox desperately need another left-handed bat in the line-up right now, but that won't register either... You could tell him that Drew is a plus defender, but that won't matter either.  I'm not saying this is an easy decision by any stretch, but too many people on here don't realize how good a player Drew is when healthy...and right now, he's fully healthy.  

    What are people basing this "Drew is a plus fielder" opinion on? Has anyone here watched him play hundreds of games? 

    Is having a pin in your ankle being fully healthy? Does anyone know if it will further restrict an already very limited range at the position where range matters most of all? I'll admit I am not sure. I have been wrong before. I was wrong about Aviles being a below average ranged SS, based on data and minimal observation. Maybe I'm wrong about Iggy probably making 60-100+ more plays than Drew at SS over 150+ games, but I see no reason to assume Drew is a plus defender. I hope I am wrong as H3ll, since SS defense is crucial to our shaky staff staying confident and pitching later into the games.

     
  4. You have chosen to ignore posts from moonslav59. Show moonslav59's posts

    Re: So Long for now, IGGY......

    In response to georom4's comment:

    In response to moonslav59's comment:

     

    In response to georom4's comment:

     

    In response to moonslav59's comment:

     

    In response to georom4's comment:

     

    I guess Ben cant accept the fact that was wrong about Iggy's readiness to be on Sox and play MLB...so he will disrupt the top rated defense by removing its most important player (who is also hitting like mad) so that he can justify overspending on a one year rental with a guy who is average at best and injury prone.... 

    That is some seriously good GMing there isnt it folks? Impressed? Does Ben even understand anything about momentum? Team Dynamics? How about plain old baseball?

     



    It's not about Iggy's hitting, and besides, he's not "hitting like mad". He's bunting for hits like mad. Eventually Iggy's BA will go below .270 and now your argument is kaput.

     

    Iggy's defense is so good and so much better than Drew's that he should play. Short and simple and the truth.

     



    he's batting .450 with two doubles and the last game was his first w/o a hit....do you even bother to watch the games?

     

     



    Yes, I watch every play of every game and many plays 2-3 times.

     

    Iggy is "bunting like mad". I stand by my position, because it happens to be the right position.

    Go back and "watch the games" yourself, and tell me again that he is "hitting like mad". He was hitting better in ST as his numbers looked worse. He made several hard outs.

    I think 6 of his 9 hits are bunts or IF hits. He has no BBs. He is not a great hitter. He is not a good hitter. He probably is not even a fair hitter. A 21 PA sample size proves nothing, even if all his 9 hits were rope 2Bs.

     

    Again, Iggy should be our starting full time SS for the rest of the year based on his defense and some intangibles on offense, such as his bunting and base-running skills as compared to Drew's.

    People using Iggy's offense to justify his playing time are building a house of cards in wind tunnel.

     


     

     

    Iggy is second or third in all those batting categories you love - he did it all that with bunts? are you saying those metrics besides batting average are useless? last time i checked he was beating Pedroia is just about every measure of batting....




    I guess you need it spelled out. 

    (Sidenote: I'd never definitively judge any player based on a 20 AB sample size. I didn't even judge Iggy poorly on his 77 PAs in 2012 either.)

    Iggy has 9 hits in 21 PAs. He has no BBs and 1 HBP.

    PA 1: weak GB single to 3B.

    PA 2: bunt single between 1B and 2B

    PA 3: Pop out to 1B

    PA 4: weak GB single to 3B

    PA 5: K

    PA 6: GB to catcher (Wow! what a hitter!)

    PA 7: GB double to LF.

    PA 8: GB single to LF.

    PA 9: K

    PA10: DP (GB to P)

    PA 11: Bunt single to 2B

    PA 12: Line single to short LF (His first legitimate hard hit ball)

    PA 13: HBP

    PA 14: Weak GB single to SS

    PA 15: GB 2B to LF

    PA 16: Fly out to RF (2nd ball hit in the air that got past the IF.)

    PA 17: Fly ball to short LF.

    PA 18: K

    PA 19: Fly ball to LF/CF

    PA 20: weak GB out to SS

    PA 21: weak GB out to SS

     

    He has 5 infield hits. Yes, they count as hits, but surely you do not think this proves he's suddenly become a great hitter worthy of even being mentioned alongside Pedroia.

    His other 4 hits? 3 were grounders.

    If he was 4 for 20, he'd be batting .200.

     

    I watch the games. You should too.

     
  5. This post has been removed.

     
  6. You have chosen to ignore posts from pumpsie-green. Show pumpsie-green's posts

    Re: So Long for now, IGGY......

    Iggy is "bunting like mad". I stand by my position, because it happens to be the right position.

     

    No, its not the *right* position. Its just a one opinion, thats all. You have proven nothing with all your analysis other that to support your OPINION. Some of us have a different opinion, the opinion of the Red Sox management, incidentally. To offer your opinion as fact is absurd and you know it. It is no more "right" than my opinion.

     
  7. You have chosen to ignore posts from jasko2248. Show jasko2248's posts

    Re: So Long for now, IGGY......

    In response to moonslav59's comment:

    Waaaayyyy over Georom's head, Mef...Don't bother...You could tell him that the Sox desperately need another left-handed bat in the line-up right now, but that won't register either... You could tell him that Drew is a plus defender, but that won't matter either.  I'm not saying this is an easy decision by any stretch, but too many people on here don't realize how good a player Drew is when healthy...and right now, he's fully healthy.  

    What are people basing this "Drew is a plus fielder" opinion on? Has anyone here watched him play hundreds of games? 

    Is having a pin in your ankle being fully healthy? Does anyone know if it will further restrict an already very limited range at the position where range matters most of all? I'll admit I am not sure. I have been wrong before. I was wrong about Aviles being a below average ranged SS, based on data and minimal observation. Maybe I'm wrong about Iggy probably making 60-100+ more plays than Drew at SS over 150+ games, but I see no reason to assume Drew is a plus defender. I hope I am wrong as H3ll, since SS defense is crucial to our shaky staff staying confident and pitching later into the games.



    Moon, Maybe you're an orthopedic specialist and I'm unaware of it, because you keep mentioning this ankle pin like it's some kind of major hinderance.  He's said he feels that the ankle is 100% healed and he's been cleared by multiple Doctors.  Why are you so concerned about this pin if noone else is?  I had two screws placed in my knee at 18 and I was faster and more agile at 21 than I was at 18.  Medical science has come along way since then, so I'm not sure what your issue is here.

    As far as my "opinion" goes, I'm basing part of it on an interview I listened to with someone who covered Drew's ENTIRE career in Arizona, someone who has probably seen 99% of his career games.  He couldn't stop raving about his defense.  He said his instincts were like his brother's, and there are plenty of people around the game who will tell you that J.D. Drew had the best instincts of any outfielder they've ever seen.  This guy said Stephen was exceptional at robbing those shallow bloop hits in the outfield, he said he has an uncanny knack to always position himself in the right place based on the hitter's tendencies, the expected pitch, etc...This guy said pitchers love him because he never butchers a play in a big spot and like his brother, makes a lot of difficult plays look easy.  He did mention that he's the type of player "who drives the sabermetric geeks" crazy.  I also asked some people in the game about him and they all said he is an all-star caliber player when healthy.  The guy averaged 65 extra base hits a year before the injury and he's still in his prime.  To me, it makes more sense to rely on the opinion of his peers and someone who has covered his entire career than basing my entire opinion on a "statistical "measure" that is proven to be flawed.  By the way, saying it's the "truth" that Iglesias is "10 times" the better defender than Drew is a heck of a lot more ridiculous than saying Drew is a "plus defender."  We shall see soon enough.  By the way, do you still think clubhouse culture doesn't matter? 

     

     

     

     
  8. You have chosen to ignore posts from moonslav59. Show moonslav59's posts

    Re: So Long for now, IGGY......

    In response to pumpsie-green's comment:

    Iggy is "bunting like mad". I stand by my position, because it happens to be the right position.

     

    No, its not the *right* position. Its just a one opinion, thats all. You have proven nothing with all your analysis other that to support your OPINION. Some of us have a different opinion, the opinion of the Red Sox management, incidentally. To offer your opinion as fact is absurd and you know it. It is no more "right" than my opinion.



    You don't believe you are "right"?

     
  9. You have chosen to ignore posts from pumpsie-green. Show pumpsie-green's posts

    Re: So Long for now, IGGY......

    In response to moonslav59's comment:

    In response to pumpsie-green's comment:

     

    Iggy is "bunting like mad". I stand by my position, because it happens to be the right position.

     

    No, its not the *right* position. Its just a one opinion, thats all. You have proven nothing with all your analysis other that to support your OPINION. Some of us have a different opinion, the opinion of the Red Sox management, incidentally. To offer your opinion as fact is absurd and you know it. It is no more "right" than my opinion.

     



    You don't believe you are "right"?

     




    Not "right" as in right or wrong. I believe my opinion is supported by the preponderance of the facts. I also recognize that in this instance others have a different opinion that can be supported with other facts.

     
  10. You have chosen to ignore posts from moonslav59. Show moonslav59's posts

    Re: So Long for now, IGGY......

    In response to jasko2248's comment:
    [QUOTE]

    In response to moonslav59's comment:

     

    Waaaayyyy over Georom's head, Mef...Don't bother...You could tell him that the Sox desperately need another left-handed bat in the line-up right now, but that won't register either... You could tell him that Drew is a plus defender, but that won't matter either.  I'm not saying this is an easy decision by any stretch, but too many people on here don't realize how good a player Drew is when healthy...and right now, he's fully healthy.  

    What are people basing this "Drew is a plus fielder" opinion on? Has anyone here watched him play hundreds of games? 

    Is having a pin in your ankle being fully healthy? Does anyone know if it will further restrict an already very limited range at the position where range matters most of all? I'll admit I am not sure. I have been wrong before. I was wrong about Aviles being a below average ranged SS, based on data and minimal observation. Maybe I'm wrong about Iggy probably making 60-100+ more plays than Drew at SS over 150+ games, but I see no reason to assume Drew is a plus defender. I hope I am wrong as H3ll, since SS defense is crucial to our shaky staff staying confident and pitching later into the games.

     



    Moon, Maybe you're an orthopedic specialist and I'm unaware of it, because you keep mentioning this ankle pin like it's some kind of major hinderance.  He's said he feels that the ankle is 100% healed and he's been cleared by multiple Doctors. 

    Show me a doctor that said he is 100% and his range has not been diminished by the pin. I'm not saying it can't be so, but I seriouslyu doubt his range is improving (at age 30) over an already pretty poor starting point.

     

    Why are you so concerned about this pin if noone else is?  I had two screws placed in my knee at 18 and I was faster and more agile at 21 than I was at 18.  Medical science has come along way since then, so I'm not sure what your issue is here.

    Why do you think he is going to get better at his age with or without a pin?

     

    As far as my "opinion" goes, I'm basing part of it on an interview I listened to with someone who covered Drew's ENTIRE career in Arizona, someone who has probably seen 99% of his career games.  He couldn't stop raving about his defense.  He said his instincts were like his brother's, and there are plenty of people around the game who will tell you that J.D. Drew had the best instincts of any outfielder they've ever seen.  This guy said Stephen was exceptional at robbing those shallow bloop hits in the outfield, he said he has an uncanny knack to always position himself in the right place based on the hitter's tendencies, the expected pitch, etc...This guy said pitchers love him because he never butchers a play in a big spot and like his brother, makes a lot of difficult plays look easy.  He did mention that he's the type of player "who drives the sabermetric geeks" crazy. 

    Great positioning and robbing hits would show up in UZR/150. Not buthering plays would show up in UZR/150. Great instincts would show up in UZR/150. It's based on balls hit in his zone. If he is positioned where they are hit more than most other SSs, it would be reflected in his UZR/150.

    I have said I may be wrong about Drew as I was about Aviles, and my comment about being "right" was part tongue-and-cheek, but also partly based on the crux of my position: If a SS does make 60-100 more plays than the other, he should start, even if he gets 30-40 less hits over a season. I'm OK with people not accepting that Iggy is that much better than Drew, and recognize that you "may be right", but I do think my argument, if correct (60-100 plays vs 30-40 less hits) is refutable. That's really what I meant by "right".

     

    I also asked some people in the game about him and they all said he is an all-star caliber player when healthy.  The guy averaged 65 extra base hits a year before the injury and he's still in his prime. 

    Peers also voted Jeter a GG a short while ago. Peers usually only see a player on another team 3 to 6 or 18 games a year at most.

    To me, it makes more sense to rely on the opinion of his peers and someone who has covered his entire career than basing my entire opinion on a "statistical "measure" that is proven to be flawed.  By the way, saying it's the "truth" that Iglesias is "10 times" the better defender than Drew is a heck of a lot more ridiculous than saying Drew is a "plus defender."  We shall see soon enough.  By the way, do you still think clubhouse culture doesn't matter? 

    Never said it didn't matter. I said it was "over-rated". I still believe that.

    A 7 game sample size is small, but I feel we are not 5-2 because of kumbaya. When we go 2-5 in some stretch, will you blame the "culture"?

    We have played great defense, had great manger decisions, and 2 of our  pitchers pitching like aces in 4 of the 7 games.

    Now, we are likely to change our defense, change the "chemistry", see our 3-5 (6 if we replace Lackey's start with Aceves) starters next. 

    I like what I have seen so far, but am not happy about the changes. I do expect Drew to hit better than the last 2-3 years combined, if healthy. I just don't see it as being enough to overshadow Iggys phenomenal defense. It's not that I dislike Drew, it's about really liking Iggy's D.

     

    The Fielding Bible is a good non sabermetric judge od fielders skill sets as compared to their peers:

    2012: Drew got no top 10 votes (16 SSs did)

    2011: Drew got no top 10 votes (18 did)

    2010: Drew got no top 10 votes (20 did, including Scutaro)

    2009: Drew did get 13 (10 for 1st, 9 for 2nd...) points to place him 13th with 19 getting a vote)

    2008: Drew did get 4 points to place him 18th (behind Aviles & M Young).

    2007: Drew got no top 10 votes.

     

    At his very best, this panel placed him 13th. That is abover the mid point, but hardly a ringing endorsement. I also don't see why we should believe he will field like 2009 and not the other 6 years.

     

     

     




     
  11. You have chosen to ignore posts from moonslav59. Show moonslav59's posts

    Re: So Long for now, IGGY......

    In response to pumpsie-green's comment:

     

    In response to moonslav59's comment:

     

    In response to pumpsie-green's comment:

     

    Iggy is "bunting like mad". I stand by my position, because it happens to be the right position.

     

    No, its not the *right* position. Its just a one opinion, thats all. You have proven nothing with all your analysis other that to support your OPINION. Some of us have a different opinion, the opinion of the Red Sox management, incidentally. To offer your opinion as fact is absurd and you know it. It is no more "right" than my opinion.

     



    You don't believe you are "right"?

     

     




    Not "right" as in right or wrong. I believe my opinion is supported by the preponderance of the facts. I also recognize that in this instance others have a different opinion that can be supported with other facts.

     

     



    Fair enough, but I haven't seen any "preponderance of the facts" to show Drew is a plus fielder.

     

     

    I have never doubted or argued that Iggy is close to the hitter Drew was or should be this year.

     

    baseballevaluations had Drew rated this way:

    2012: 44th

    2011: 26th

     
  12. You have chosen to ignore posts from pumpsie-green. Show pumpsie-green's posts

    Re: So Long for now, IGGY......

    In response to moonslav59's comment:

    In response to pumpsie-green's comment:

     

    In response to moonslav59's comment:

     

    In response to pumpsie-green's comment:

     

    Iggy is "bunting like mad". I stand by my position, because it happens to be the right position.

     

    No, its not the *right* position. Its just a one opinion, thats all. You have proven nothing with all your analysis other that to support your OPINION. Some of us have a different opinion, the opinion of the Red Sox management, incidentally. To offer your opinion as fact is absurd and you know it. It is no more "right" than my opinion.

     



    You don't believe you are "right"?

     

     




    Not "right" as in right or wrong. I believe my opinion is supported by the preponderance of the facts. I also recognize that in this instance others have a different opinion that can be supported with other facts.

     

     



    Fair enough, but I haven't seen any "preponderance of the facts" to show Drew is a plus fielder.

     

     

    I have never doubted or argued that Iggy is close to the hitter Drew was or should be this year.

     

    baseballevaluations had Drew rated this way:

    2012: 44th

    2011: 26th



    I never claimed Drew is a plus fielder. I think "adequate" is a reasonably accurate term. As you know, I prefer a SS who is a proven hitter as well-unless the rest of your lineup is devastating.

     
  13. You have chosen to ignore posts from moonslav59. Show moonslav59's posts

    Re: So Long for now, IGGY......

    In response to pumpsie-green's comment:

    In response to moonslav59's comment:

     

    In response to pumpsie-green's comment:

     

    In response to moonslav59's comment:

     

    In response to pumpsie-green's comment:

     

    Iggy is "bunting like mad". I stand by my position, because it happens to be the right position.

     

    No, its not the *right* position. Its just a one opinion, thats all. You have proven nothing with all your analysis other that to support your OPINION. Some of us have a different opinion, the opinion of the Red Sox management, incidentally. To offer your opinion as fact is absurd and you know it. It is no more "right" than my opinion.

     



    You don't believe you are "right"?

     

     




    Not "right" as in right or wrong. I believe my opinion is supported by the preponderance of the facts. I also recognize that in this instance others have a different opinion that can be supported with other facts.

     

     



    Fair enough, but I haven't seen any "preponderance of the facts" to show Drew is a plus fielder.

     

     

    I have never doubted or argued that Iggy is close to the hitter Drew was or should be this year.

     

    baseballevaluations had Drew rated this way:

    2012: 44th

    2011: 26th

     



    I never claimed Drew is a plus fielder. I think "adequate" is a reasonably accurate term. As you know, I prefer a SS who is a proven hitter as well-unless the rest of your lineup is devastating.

     



    Who wouldn't like offense from every position, but to me, the defense at the SS position is so vital to a team's chances of winning. 

    Stopping a few more hits (as well as turning more DPs and making better relay throws) are just as important as getting a few more hits.

    Then, there is a baserunning part of the total package, and according to some, the so very important "chemistry factor".

     
  14. You have chosen to ignore posts from pumpsie-green. Show pumpsie-green's posts

    Re: So Long for now, IGGY......

    Who wouldn't like offense from every position, but to me, the defense at the SS position is so vital to a team's chances of winning. 

     

    Stopping a few more hits (as well as turning more DPs and making better relay throws) are just as important as getting a few more hits.

    Then, there is a baserunning part of the total package, and according to some, the so very important "chemistry factor".

    Defense is also key at the catcher position and in CF, as well as at 1B. I don't think Drew is a bad baserunner, though not as fast as Iggy, and I also do not think he will be a clubhouse distraction. Just a difference of opinion about how to handle this. Certainly not a matter of who is right and who is wrong.

     
  15. You have chosen to ignore posts from moonslav59. Show moonslav59's posts

    Re: So Long for now, IGGY......

    In response to pumpsie-green's comment:

    Who wouldn't like offense from every position, but to me, the defense at the SS position is so vital to a team's chances of winning. 

     

    Stopping a few more hits (as well as turning more DPs and making better relay throws) are just as important as getting a few more hits.

    Then, there is a baserunning part of the total package, and according to some, the so very important "chemistry factor".

    Defense is also key at the catcher position and in CF, as well as at 1B. I don't think Drew is a bad baserunner, though not as fast as Iggy, and I also do not think he will be a clubhouse distraction. Just a difference of opinion about how to handle this. Certainly not a matter of who is right and who is wrong.



    Except that I'm right.

    Wink

     
  16. You have chosen to ignore posts from patrickford. Show patrickford's posts

    Re: So Long for now, IGGY......

    Completely agree Iggy should stay. It wouldn't affect my opinion if he hit .220. He's the closest thing to Ozzie Smith I've ever seen. 

     
  17. This post has been removed.

     
  18. This post has been removed.

     
  19. You have chosen to ignore posts from ThefourBs. Show ThefourBs's posts

    Re: So Long for now, IGGY......

    In response to moonslav59's comment:

    In response to pumpsie-green's comment:

     

    Who wouldn't like offense from every position, but to me, the defense at the SS position is so vital to a team's chances of winning. 

     

    Stopping a few more hits (as well as turning more DPs and making better relay throws) are just as important as getting a few more hits.

    Then, there is a baserunning part of the total package, and according to some, the so very important "chemistry factor".

    Defense is also key at the catcher position and in CF, as well as at 1B. I don't think Drew is a bad baserunner, though not as fast as Iggy, and I also do not think he will be a clubhouse distraction. Just a difference of opinion about how to handle this. Certainly not a matter of who is right and who is wrong.

     



    Except that I'm right.

     

    Wink




    So, say the Sox give Iggy the starting SS job, over Drew.

    And, I know you think Iggy defense justifies this.

    Does it also justify paying Drew to play for someone else?

    That's the only other realistic option.

     
  20. You have chosen to ignore posts from moonslav59. Show moonslav59's posts

    Re: So Long for now, IGGY......

    So, say the Sox give Iggy the starting SS job, over Drew.

     

    And, I know you think Iggy defense justifies this.

    Does it also justify paying Drew to play for someone else?

    That's the only other realistic option.

     

    1) we should have never signed Drew. I said it then.

    2) Now that we have Drew, it should not change the equation of playing the best player- the player who will help you win more often. All else should be secondary.

    3) Drew could play when Iggy rests, and as a late game PH'er until he can be traded (I believe on June 15th). I would trade Drew for the best offer at that time and eat whatever salary needs to be eaten to allow Ciriaco- a better utility IF'er- to be Iggy's back-up.

     
  21. You have chosen to ignore posts from moonslav59. Show moonslav59's posts

    Re: So Long for now, IGGY......

    Iggy has cleary demonstrated that he can handle the bat well ...

    Yes, when bunting.

     
  22. You have chosen to ignore posts from Bill-806. Show Bill-806's posts

    Re: So Long for now, IGGY......

    9.5MIL has SPOKEN .......  The pitching staff is likely to see a "spike" in the ERA......  Only 7 games, howevaa it was refreshing to see a SS that helped keep the opposition to 3 outs per inning !!!!

     
  23. You have chosen to ignore posts from ThefourBs. Show ThefourBs's posts

    Re: So Long for now, IGGY......

    In response to moonslav59's comment:

     

    So, say the Sox give Iggy the starting SS job, over Drew.

     

    And, I know you think Iggy defense justifies this.

    Does it also justify paying Drew to play for someone else?

    That's the only other realistic option.

     

    1) we should have never signed Drew. I said it then.

    2) Now that we have Drew, it should not change the equation of playing the best player- the player who will help you win more often. All else should be secondary.

    3) Drew could play when Iggy rests, and as a late game PH'er until he can be traded (I believe on June 15th). I would trade Drew for the best offer at that time and eat whatever salary needs to be eaten to allow Ciriaco- a better utility IF'er- to be Iggy's back-up.

     




     

    I'll give you #1.

    But, I doubt there's a team in baseball that would do the other two.

    I just don't think there's enough evidence to show Iggy is THAT much better.

    And, yes, I've read some of your reasons that you believe say otherwise...


    Drew needs to play FT, if for no other reason than to build up his trade value for June or July.

    If the club sinks or swims, because of Drew playing FT for two to three months, they weren't going anywhere anyway, this year.

     

     

     
  24. You have chosen to ignore posts from pumpsie-green. Show pumpsie-green's posts

    Re: So Long for now, IGGY......

    In response to moonslav59's comment:

    So, say the Sox give Iggy the starting SS job, over Drew.

     

    And, I know you think Iggy defense justifies this.

    Does it also justify paying Drew to play for someone else?

    That's the only other realistic option.

     

    1) we should have never signed Drew. I said it then.

    2) Now that we have Drew, it should not change the equation of playing the best player- the player who will help you win more often. All else should be secondary.

    3) Drew could play when Iggy rests, and as a late game PH'er until he can be traded (I believe on June 15th). I would trade Drew for the best offer at that time and eat whatever salary needs to be eaten to allow Ciriaco- a better utility IF'er- to be Iggy's back-up.




    I do not always support our FO; in fact, I have been one of their harshest critics. But I have to give credit where credit is due. They rightrully looked at Iggy's statistics over the past several years and came to the conclusion that his bat is simply not ready for prime time, that he would be a black hole in the #9 position in our lineup. Therefore, they got a guy for ONE YEAR who they thought offered a good compromise mixing decent defense and good offense. It was a smart move. If Iglesias shows he deserves the job, Drew is gone in July.

     
  25. This post has been removed.

     
Sections
Shortcuts

Share