So Long, Manny Ram

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    "Old Artimus Heavyhand", I used to call him...

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    Carnie: Certain artists are just incredibly gifted - and will prosper due to their talent, even if their work isn't considered commercial. Don Williams, a country music artist, exemplifies this. Here's an example:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAQVFXb9N8c

    I saw the creativity of the 70's give way to marketing to a particular age group.
    It allowed record/CD sales to soar, but the quality of the product suffered immeasurably IMO.

    This is one of the best songs I ever heard in regards to getting air play despite not having "commercial properties".

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzGx_XzxDeM&feature=related
    (Man, I love this song!).

    It's a travesty what happened to so many talented artists in the 80's.
    One by one, they lost their recording contracts - many moving to Branson MO.
    That's when I turned to blues and traditional jazz.
     
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    yeah, harness I understand your point. For some reason, I just never got hooked by Gordon. He certainly was not typical pop. His lyrics were too deep for that.
     
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    And if I may return the gesture, Moon:  I admire UR musical taste as it illustrates profound unconventional simplicity.

    I've always claimed that there's no way to measure a performers true talent level better than seeing him/her with just a guitar and little to no accompaniment.
     
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    Great point. I like listening to demo tapes of bands... like Pete Townshend with a guitar.

    "There once was a note, pure and easy..."
     
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    Oh, man. I've listened to countless demo tapes. The sound quality often makes it hard to form an accurate opinion, but it's beautifully raw.

    Willie Nelson, beyond his ability to write sings, was floundering as a singer because the execs wanted him to conform to the sound they felt would sell. One LP after another failed.

    Then he released Red-Headed stranger. He did it his way, with an innovative acoustical sound.

    The rest is history.
     
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    I loved a lot of the "unplugged" CDs.
     
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    Do you recall Clapton's?
     
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    Yes. Amazing, but not surprising.
     
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    What did you think of Springsteen when he explored accoustical folk?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHsJVYXXHbA&feature=related

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zld2cSIVUO4&feature=related
     
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    I'm going to miss Manny.
     
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    So will his agent.
     
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    Wisconsin workers weren't really workers. Air traffic controllers understand what that means.
     
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    In Response to Re: So Long, Manny Ram:
    [QUOTE]Do you recall Clapton's?
    Posted by harness[/QUOTE]That was what hooked me on Clapton again after his "commercial successes" of the late 70s early 80s.
     
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    In Response to Re: So Long, Manny Ram:
    [QUOTE]Carnie : Certain artists are just incredibly gifted - and will prosper due to their talent, even if their work isn't considered commercial. Don Williams, a country music artist, exemplifies this. Here's an example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAQVFXb9N8c I saw the creativity of the 70's give way to marketing to a particular age group. It allowed record/CD sales to soar, but the quality of the product suffered immeasurably IMO. This is one of the best songs I ever heard in regards to getting air play despite not having "commercial properties". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzGx_XzxDeM&feature=related (Man, I love this song!). It's a travesty what happened to so many talented artists in the 80's. One by one, they lost their recording contracts - many moving to Branson MO. That's when I turned to blues and traditional jazz.
    Posted by harness[/QUOTE]Don Williams is great, no doubt. Do you know the flatlanders?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgVfD4TCdKY
    Another kind of folkish country band I love is the Texas Tornadoes
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySNON249yes&feature=related
    And if you like jazz you should check out the Roy Clark Joe Pass tribute to Hank williams
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoRq1JAwHJg
     
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    Wisconsin workers weren't really workers. Air traffic controllers understand what that means.

    ...and the State wasnt even paying anything into the retirement fund. The Govenor understands what that means.
     
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    In Response to Re: So Long, Manny Ram:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: So Long, Manny Ram : Don Williams is great, no doubt. Do you know the flatlanders? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgVfD4TCdKY Another kind of folkish country band I love is the Texas Tornadoes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySNON249yes&feature=related And if you like jazz you should check out the Roy Clark Joe Pass tribute to Hank williams http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoRq1JAwHJg
    Posted by carnie[/QUOTE]

    I can see you like traditional country. I definitely favor it over the "garth brooks" sound. But what draws me into music is the diversity of chord change. This is why I think Lightfoot stands out. In fact, he may not have an equal in this regard.

    I don't care for progressive jazz. I love the big-band sound. Guys like Buddy Rich, Bob Florence and Stanly Turentine - all the way back to Coaltrain, Miles and L. Armstrong.
    It's a true AMERICAN art form. 

    Here's a sample:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xm5JjxEWi-E&feature=related

    Another:

    Http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9pjPBg6iF0&feature=related
     
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    Re: So Long, Manny Ram

    Manny:

    When are you gonna come clean
    When are you going to land
    I should have stayed on the team
    I should have listened to Bill's old man

    You know you couldn't hold out forever
    Theo didn't sign up with you
    You were not a present for your fans to open
    Theo's too young to be singing the blues

    So goodbye Manny: BILL gloads
    Where the trolls of society howl
    You can't plant him in your clubhouse
    He's going to have to throw in the towel

    Back to the howling old owl from the hood
    Spendin the homey motherload
    Oh He's finally got caught in his lies
    Beyond the bellow of BILL'S gloads

    What do you think you'll do then
    I bet the Hall shoots down your claim
    It'll take you a couple of vodka and tonics
    To set you on your feet again

    Maybe the Rays get a replacement
    There ain't plenty like you to be found
    Mongrels who ain't got a penny
    Sniffing for tidbits like you on the ground
     
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    [QUOTE]Manny: When are you gonna come clean When are you going to land I should have stayed on the team I should have listened to Bill's old man You know you couldn't hold out forever Theo didn't sign up with you You were not a present for your fans to open Theo's too young to be singing the blues So goodbye Manny: BILL gloads Where the trolls of society howl You can't plant him in your clubhouse He's going to have to throw in the towel Back to the howling old owl from the hood Spendin the homey motherload Oh He's finally got caught in his lies Beyond the bellow of BILL'S gloads What do you think you'll do then I bet the Hall shoots down your claim It'll take you a couple of vodka and tonics To set you on your feet again Maybe the Rays get a replacement There ain't plenty like you to be found Mongrels who ain't got a penny Sniffing for tidbits like you on the ground
    Posted by moonslav59[/QUOTE]

    Love the line about listening to Bill's old man. 
     
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    I thought you'd lik that one.

    Did you notice I even put his name in all CAPS?

    Wink
     
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    Ya know, that lyrical ditty can almost apply to a certain poster on this forum.
     
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    In Response to Re: So Long, Manny Ram:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: So Long, Manny Ram : I can see you like traditional country. I definitely favor it over the "garth brooks" sound. But what draws me into music is the diversity of chord change. This is why I think Lightfoot stands out. In fact, he may not have an equal in this regard. I don't care for progressive jazz. I love the big-band sound. Guys like Buddy Rich, Bob Florence and Stanly Turentine - all the way back to Coaltrain, Miles and L. Armstrong. It's a true AMERICAN art form.  Here's a sample: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xm5JjxEWi-E&feature=related Another: Http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9pjPBg6iF0&feature=related
    Posted by harness[/QUOTE]I do like traditional country. Always been a big fan of Hank and Jimmie Rodgers. While I do like the big band sound of say Duke Ellington and Count Basie, I've always been more of a fan of be-bop, Coltrane, Dexter Gordon, Charlie Parker, The Jazz Messengers, etc. For me, those are the sounds that epitomize jazz.
     
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    I love Be-bop, Carnie. The Ken Burns Jazz series was fantastic. Just as good as the baseball one IMO.

    I also enjoy the brilliance of Hank Williams. Talk about someone being ahead of their time... Did you ever hear this one:
     
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saxdwCfhiw8&feature=related
    "Boy, can you make folks feel what you feel inside?" Never heard a more soulful line.

    Jimmy Rodgers/Woodie Guthrie - and I'd include Merle Haggard among these legendary artists.
     
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    Great tune. David Allan Coe is another country cat I've always liked. This is the first David Allan Coe song that I heard.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9coh7mBHwr4
    And what can you say about Hank? 40 number 1 records by the time he died of an overdose in the back seat of a Caddilac at 28.
     
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    I think he was 29.

    That D.A. Coe song was a personal favorite of a high-school friend. Never could understand why he liked it but didn't like the country music of the 70's.

    Here's another John Prine composition. David A.Coe did a great job with this, but I can't find a video. It's a really good song: Prine's favorite.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJ85Hep0kD0&feature=related

    To Moon: I think you'll like this one.
     

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