Softlaw Called it: Miami MLB market a disaster, after "new ballpark"

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    ...and then who pays for having to demolish these monstrosities years later?

    Yup, John Q. ...

     

    They're talking $30M to demolish the Astrodome and make it a parking lot.

     
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    And forget hockey.  I remember when the Tampa Lightning won the cup in 2003 and nobody cared.  I think I remember seeing empty seats at a stanley cup finals game....haha

    Back to baseball: its not like there are no places to move these bad market teams.  I feel like Portland should have a team.  I can see Nashville supporting a team as well.

     
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    And forget hockey.  I remember when the Tampa Lightning won the cup in 2003 and nobody cared.  I think I remember seeing empty seats at a stanley cup finals game....haha

    Back to baseball: its not like there are no places to move these bad market teams.  I feel like Portland should have a team.  I can see Nashville supporting a team as well.



    I rememeber the O's and Pirates not selling out World Series games. How sad was that?

     
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    And forget hockey.  I remember when the Tampa Lightning won the cup in 2003 and nobody cared.  I think I remember seeing empty seats at a stanley cup finals game....haha

    Back to baseball: its not like there are no places to move these bad market teams.  I feel like Portland should have a team.  I can see Nashville supporting a team as well.




    They love baseball in the Carolinas too.

     
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    And forget hockey.  I remember when the Tampa Lightning won the cup in 2003 and nobody cared.  I think I remember seeing empty seats at a stanley cup finals game....haha

    Back to baseball: its not like there are no places to move these bad market teams.  I feel like Portland should have a team.  I can see Nashville supporting a team as well.

     




    They love baseball in the Carolinas too.

     

     



    They support the minor leagues better than some major league cities. The problem might be where to centrally locate a stadium to maximize state support and attendance.

    How many total minor league teams do they have down there?

     
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    And forget hockey.  I remember when the Tampa Lightning won the cup in 2003 and nobody cared.  I think I remember seeing empty seats at a stanley cup finals game....haha

    Back to baseball: its not like there are no places to move these bad market teams.  I feel like Portland should have a team.  I can see Nashville supporting a team as well.

     




    They love baseball in the Carolinas too.

     

     



    They support the minor leagues better than some major league cities. The problem might be where to centrally locate a stadium to maximize state support and attendance.

    How many total minor league teams do they have down there?




    I think the entire league where the Red Sox have their high A team is in the Carolinas, plus some teams in the sally.

     
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    And forget hockey.  I remember when the Tampa Lightning won the cup in 2003 and nobody cared.  I think I remember seeing empty seats at a stanley cup finals game....haha

    Back to baseball: its not like there are no places to move these bad market teams.  I feel like Portland should have a team.  I can see Nashville supporting a team as well.

     




    They love baseball in the Carolinas too.

     

     



    They support the minor leagues better than some major league cities. The problem might be where to centrally locate a stadium to maximize state support and attendance.

    How many total minor league teams do they have down there?

     




    I think the entire league where the Red Sox have their high A team is in the Carolinas, plus some teams in the sally.

     



    Maybe there's more in NC, but I can think of ...

    Durham Bulls, Charlotte Knights, Carolina Mudcats, Winston-Salem Dash, Greensboro somethings?, Hickory Crawdads (love the name), Asheville???...  

     

     
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    When I was living in Fl. the homegrown fans had no idea what its like to have generations of family growing up rooting for the same team. They wondered why I wasnt a rays fan since this is where I lived now. Its a big problem when a Boston fan can tell them who their own prospects are and basically more about their team than they know...

     

     
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    When I was living in Fl. the homegrown fans had no idea what its like to have generations of family growing up rooting for the same team. They wondered why I wasnt a rays fan since this is where I lived now. Its a big problem when a Boston fan can tell them who their own prospects are and basically more about their team than they know...

     



    Exactly. It might take at least a generation to build fans for life: the real true fan.

     
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    And forget hockey.  I remember when the Tampa Lightning won the cup in 2003 and nobody cared.  I think I remember seeing empty seats at a stanley cup finals game....haha

    Back to baseball: its not like there are no places to move these bad market teams.  I feel like Portland should have a team.  I can see Nashville supporting a team as well.

     




    They love baseball in the Carolinas too.

     

     



    They support the minor leagues better than some major league cities. The problem might be where to centrally locate a stadium to maximize state support and attendance.

    How many total minor league teams do they have down there?

     




    I think the entire league where the Red Sox have their high A team is in the Carolinas, plus some teams in the sally.

     

     



    Maybe there's more in NC, but I can think of ...

     

    Durham Bulls, Charlotte Knights, Carolina Mudcats, Winston-Salem Dash, Greensboro somethings?, Hickory Crawdads (love the name), Asheville???...  

     




    Greenville, Wilmington, Myrtle Beach, Carolina Mudcats, Greensboro and Charleston. There might be more too. And don't forget the USC Gamecocks who gave us Jackie Bradley Jr.

     
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    And forget hockey.  I remember when the Tampa Lightning won the cup in 2003 and nobody cared.  I think I remember seeing empty seats at a stanley cup finals game....haha

    Back to baseball: its not like there are no places to move these bad market teams.  I feel like Portland should have a team.  I can see Nashville supporting a team as well.

     




    They love baseball in the Carolinas too.

     

     



    They support the minor leagues better than some major league cities. The problem might be where to centrally locate a stadium to maximize state support and attendance.

    How many total minor league teams do they have down there?

     




    I think the entire league where the Red Sox have their high A team is in the Carolinas, plus some teams in the sally.

     

     



    Maybe there's more in NC, but I can think of ...

     

    Durham Bulls, Charlotte Knights, Carolina Mudcats, Winston-Salem Dash, Greensboro somethings?, Hickory Crawdads (love the name), Asheville???...  

     

     




    Greenville, Wilmington, Myrtle Beach, Carolina Mudcats, Greensboro and Charleston. There might be more too. And don't forget the USC Gamecocks who gave us Jackie Bradley Jr.

     




    Portland Oregon and The Carolinas are great places to have an MLB baseball team. Fans there will support the team.

     
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    And forget hockey.  I remember when the Tampa Lightning won the cup in 2003 and nobody cared.  I think I remember seeing empty seats at a stanley cup finals game....haha

    Back to baseball: its not like there are no places to move these bad market teams.  I feel like Portland should have a team.  I can see Nashville supporting a team as well.

     




    They love baseball in the Carolinas too.

     

     



    They support the minor leagues better than some major league cities. The problem might be where to centrally locate a stadium to maximize state support and attendance.

    How many total minor league teams do they have down there?

     




    I think the entire league where the Red Sox have their high A team is in the Carolinas, plus some teams in the sally.

     

     



    Maybe there's more in NC, but I can think of ...

     

    Durham Bulls, Charlotte Knights, Carolina Mudcats, Winston-Salem Dash, Greensboro somethings?, Hickory Crawdads (love the name), Asheville???...  

     

     




    Greenville, Wilmington, Myrtle Beach, Carolina Mudcats, Greensboro and Charleston. There might be more too. And don't forget the USC Gamecocks who gave us Jackie Bradley Jr.

     

     




    Portland Oregon and The Carolinas are great places to have an MLB baseball team. Fans there will support the team.

     



    If you lokk at the Top 50 TV markets in the country, I think you need to get to # 19, which is Orlando before you get one without an ML team....Portland is #22 and then Charlotte and Raleigh/Durham follow soon after....Those 2 are definitely locations that I think would support teams 

     
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    You could remove the teams from Florida and Texas and nobody would notice, but onece they build a new stadium it shrinks that idea to zero. Hopefully before Tampa hoodwinks Orlando into a new place to play MLB will step in and move them out of the state - maybe.




    Don't say that. I'd love for the Rays to move to Orlando or move from St. Pete to Tampa. It's the only chance I get to see the Sox live unless I'm able to take a trip to Boston.

    It's going to take time for the Rays/Marlins to build their fanbases. If you're around 6 when you start being concious of the team w/o any other loyalties and grow up with them, those Rays fans are now just 23. So the first generation of fans have barely grown up yet and have kids they can teach to be fans.

     
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    My sister lives down there, in Palm Beach. She knows the market. They don't care about MLB down there, and have better value entertainment. MLB is a product that is very expensive and requires a market where fans place priority on it as an entertainment option. FL is not that place. The winter market is different, of course, but that's not when MLB is played.

     

      4:00 PM dinner with the "blue hairs" at the local "blue plate specials"  !!!   It's too hot to watch baseball in Florida...........   Again, as DAD would say.........   "SON, that SOFTLAW knows his stuff  !!!!!

     




    I've got silver hair.  I think I qualify!!

     
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    The issue in Miami has to do with solely with Loria.

     
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    I have said th following for over 5 yrs. The Rays have a solid fan base but it is small. The Rayshould have been in Orlando. Not only is it a larger area than Tampa/ St Pete Orlando has millions coming from all over the country. The cross marketing between the entertainment there and the teams coming in all summer woulde an overwellming success.

    As for Miami I'm under the impression that it has a roof thus the heat has no affect on attendance sorry softy The whole isue is they brought in guys and the team perfomed poorly and now he changed the team all over again.

    Please tell me what team's fans are going to follow any team that does that? NONE

    YOU NEED CONSISTENCY not continual change

     
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    Wow!  Stiffy predicting the obvious!  I guess he's been wrong so often these past several years he really needed a gimme.

    We would have given you that tap in if you had asked for it Stiffler.  :)

    MASTER OF THE OBVIOUS!

     
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    If you lokk at the Top 50 TV markets in the country, I think you need to get to # 19, which is Orlando before you get one without an ML team....Portland is #22 and then Charlotte and Raleigh/Durham follow soon after....Those 2 are definitely locations that I think would support teams 

    I think if they built a stadium between Raleigh/Durham and Charlotte, it might be too far from both to bring 'em in.

     
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    I went to a Red Sox vs. Oakland A's game in Oakland in 2006.  Boston was already out of the playoff race and the A's were in the playoff hunt. 

    Only around 18,000 fans showed up.  So sad. 

    When Frank Thomas came up to bat, I told an A's fan that Billy Beane was smart for signing him for only $500,000 for one year and the fan had no idea that the A's paid him that much.    LOL

     

     

     
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    I went to a Red Sox vs. Oakland A's game in Oakland in 2006.  Boston was already out of the playoff race and the A's were in the playoff hunt. 

    Only around 18,000 fans showed up.  So sad. 

    When Frank Thomas came up to bat, I told an A's fan that Billy Beane was smart for signing him for only $500,000 for one year and the fan had no idea that the A's paid him that much.    LOL

     




    I'm sure I know more about the Astros than most people around here.

    I'm so glad they are in the AL. Thats 3 more games a year I get to see my Sox in prime seats.

     
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    I went to a Red Sox vs. Oakland A's game in Oakland in 2006.  Boston was already out of the playoff race and the A's were in the playoff hunt. 

    Only around 18,000 fans showed up.  So sad. 

    When Frank Thomas came up to bat, I told an A's fan that Billy Beane was smart for signing him for only $500,000 for one year and the fan had no idea that the A's paid him that much.    LOL

     

     




     

    I'm sure I know more about the Astros than most people around here.

    I'm so glad they are in the AL. Thats 3 more games a year I get to see my Sox in prime seats.



    let us know where you will be sitting so i can try to pick you out of a crowd... i'll just look for the dude with a monocle :)

     

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