Softlaw's Daily Red Sox Musing & Levity 2013 Part I (Spring Training)

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    here is some data with the proper links so you know i'm not pulling the numbers out of my anoose.

     

    http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=ss&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=y&type=6&season=2012&month=0&season1=2012&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&sort=5,d

                                               JJ hardy VS Jeter in 2012

                              Batting                            Fielding                      WAR
    JJ Hardy:        -16.4 (18 of 19)                  11.4 (1 of 19)           2.8 (11 of 19)

    Jeter:               16.9 (3 of 19)                  -15.2 (19 of 19)          3.2 (8 of 19)

    Zobrist*:          30.6 (1 of 19)                   6.9 (6 of 19)             5.9 (1 of 19)

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    http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=ss&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=y&type=6&season=2010&month=0&season1=2010&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&sort=5,d

                                   Alcides Escobar VS Asdrubal Cabrera in 2011


                              Batting                            Fielding                      WAR

    Escobar:         -17.6 (20 of 20)                  10.2 (3 of 20)            2.2 (14 of 20)

    Cabrera:           17.0 (4 of 20)                  -11.8 (20 of 20)          3.8 (10 of 20)

    Reyes*:          30.1 (1 of 20)                    -3.1 (12 of 20)           6.2 (1 of 20)

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    http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=ss&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=y&type=6&season=2010&month=0&season1=2010&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&sort=3,d

                                        Hanley Ramirez VS Alexi Ramirez in 2010

                               Batting                            Fielding                      WAR

    Hanram:          22.8 (2 of 22)                   -10.2 (21 of 22)           4.6 (3 of 22)

    Alexi:               -1.7 (8 of 22)                     10.8 (1 of 22)            4.2 (4 of 22)

    Tulowitski*:    27.9 (1 of 22)                     7.1 (4 of 22)             6.3 (1 of 22)

    Drew**:          13.1 (3 of 22)                     8.7 (3 of 22)             5.1 (2 of 22)

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    http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=ss&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=y&type=6&season=2009&month=0&season1=2009&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&sort=10,d

                                          Jason Bartlet VS Elvis Andrus in 2009


                              Batting                            Fielding                      WAR

    Bartlet:           28.5 (3 of 20)                   -5.6 (16 of 20)            5.5 (4 of 20)

    Andrus:         -10.4 (15 of 20)                   12.1 (1 of 20)            3.4 (9 of 20)

    Hanram*:     40.5 (1 of 20)                   -0.2 (13 of 20)            7.4 (1 of 20)

    Drew**:       -7.5 (T-11 of 20)                  2.7 (8 of 20)            2.2 (15 of 20)

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    http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=ss&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=y&type=6&season=2009&month=0&season1=2009&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&sort=10,d

                                    Stephen Drew VS Orlando Cabrera in 2008

                               Batting                            Fielding                      WAR 

    Drew**:           10.6 (5 of 17)                  -15.8 (17 of 17)          2.0 (14 of 17)

    Cabrera:         -11.9 (16 of 17)                  14.3 (1 of 17)            3.5 (9 of 17)

    Hanram*:        42.0 (1 of 17)                   0.8 (10 of 17)            7.5 (1 of 17)

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    http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=ss&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=y&type=6&season=2012&month=0&season1=2008&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0

                                           select shortstops from 2008-2012

                                       Batting                            Fielding                      WAR

    HanRam*:             114.2 (1 of 49)                  -22.8 (47 of 49)          23.7 (1 of 49)

    Jose Reyes:              68.7 (3 of 49)                  -10.1 (38 of 49)          20.7 (2 of 49)

    Jeter:                      58.3 (4 of 49)                   -20.2 (46 of 49)          19.3 (5 of 49)

    Asdrubal C:              32.6 (5 of 49)                  -32.4 (48 of 49)          12.3 (13 of 49)

    Brendon Ryan:        -60.2 (47 of 49)                  45.4 (1 of 49)            9.4 (18 of 49)

    JJ Hardy:                 -4.7 (20 of 49)                   43.5 (2 of 49)            16.2 (6 of 49)

    Clint Barmes:          -54.2 (44 of 49)                  36.8 (3 of 49)            9.0 (21 of 49)

    Punto:                     -24.3(30 of 49)                  34.2 (4 of 49)            8.1 (23 of 49)

    Drew**:                  6.8 (10 of 49)                  -5.1 (33 of 49)           11.2 (15 of 49)

    *-WAR leader over that time period

    **-Stephen Drew over that time period

     
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    Re: Softlaw's Daily Red Sox Musing & Levity 2013 Part I (Spring Training)

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    Interesting, on the booze survey.

    Iggy was .333 in 2011. Neither sample is large enough. But SS isn't about hitting, it's about fielding. Iglesias has been ready long before now. An OPB of .190 vs. one that is around .300 would have no substantial negative impact on the offense as a bottom of the lineup SS. He's already far superior to S. Drew, if you understand what SS is all about in team baseball. Red Sox management doesn't have a clue, which is manifest in spending 10 million on Drew. Drew will benefit statwise from Fenway, but he's already in a stage of his career where he's a lousy hitter and a lousy excuse for an everday SS.



    Yet we all know you're a big Jeter fan...interesting.

     
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    Re: Softlaw's Daily Red Sox Musing & Levity 2013 Part I (Spring Training)

     In fact, top slugging SSs generally net you more wins than top fielding SSs.

     

    Tell me again how many rings the top offensive SS have over the last 5 years.

    From the offensive portion of WAR on fangraphs:

    1) HanRam

    2) Tulo

    3) Reyes

    4) Jeter

    5) A Cabrera

    6) Furcal

    7) Castro

     
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    Re: Softlaw's Daily Red Sox Musing & Levity 2013 Part I (Spring Training)

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    Softlaw survey:

    For beer drinkers, do you drink more beer or less beer if the Red Sox are winning?

     




    More.  When they lose, I shut off the TV and go to be aggrevated.  When they win, I stay merry, keep watching the post-game and  keep drinking.

    This is true when I am watching from home and true when I am on-site.

     
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    Re: Softlaw's Daily Red Sox Musing & Levity 2013 Part I (Spring Training)

    For my $$$$$$$$$ ......   SOFTLAW for PRESIDENT  !!!!!

     
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    Re: Softlaw's Daily Red Sox Musing & Levity 2013 Part I (Spring Training)

    Nice thread. As the only subscriber to harball with softlaw I approve.

     
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     In fact, top slugging SSs generally net you more wins than top fielding SSs.

     

    Tell me again how many rings the top offensive SS have over the last 5 years.

    From the offensive portion of WAR on fangraphs:

    1) HanRam

    2) Tulo

    3) Reyes

    4) Jeter

    5) A Cabrera

    6) Furcal

    7) Castro



    tell me again how 1/25 of a team award makes a comprehensive positional argument...

     
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    Re: Softlaw's Daily Red Sox Musing & Levity 2013 Part I (Spring Training)

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    WAR is nothing more than an offensive abstract metric. Moonslav is correct, the best fielding SS in history is worth more wins to his team, with a .190 OBP, than a SS who has a .900 OPS but has the range of a marginal 2nd baseman. Offensive numbers in the aggregate are what gets most GM's in trouble. Baseball is a game to game team sport, and metrics must be such that individual player performance is also measured within that sampling method.  




    if WAR is a representation of offense then they wouldn't include fielding and baserunning when calculating it.. they would only use offensive metrics to come up with a number..

     
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    Re: Softlaw's Daily Red Sox Musing & Levity 2013 Part I (Spring Training)

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    You just make my case, gloves vs. bat. Thanks.

     



    wrong again, cowpie breath. it demonstrates that gloves don't get you to the big show, bats do.

     

     

    Not quite.......  IGGY's glove would make our pitching staff look like a bunch of "CY YOUNGS"  !!!!


     
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    Re: Softlaw's Daily Red Sox Musing & Levity 2013 Part I (Spring Training)

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    Bats for show, thank you for making by case.

    oR SHUCKS,   just goes to show that great minds could run an MLB club !!!


     
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    In response to Bill-806's comment:

    In response to mryazz's comment:

     

    In response to softlaw2's comment:

     

    You just make my case, gloves vs. bat. Thanks.

     



    wrong again, cowpie breath. it demonstrates that gloves don't get you to the big show, bats do.

     

     

     

    Not quite.......  IGGY's glove would make our pitching staff look like a bunch of "CY YOUNGS"  !!!!


     




    so bill, explain to me why our pitching staff still sucked when iggy was in the MLB last season....

     
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    WAR doesn't value fielding as anything remotely related to it's team wins value.




    i wonder why that is.... maybe it's because hitting is more important than defense??

     
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    Re: Softlaw's Daily Red Sox Musing & Levity 2013 Part I (Spring Training)

    The Softy/Bill run MLB team would go like this:

    Softy, making sure to get value (basing value on advanced metrics like Career Median Averages) would not hire anyone for more than $4 million a year.  Not wanting to take on any Big Labor Union Slugs, this of course would mean an entire roster of low-risk-high-reward retreads and gimps.

     

    Bill would then trade the best five of those for a minor league PTBNL in a "Blockbuster".

     
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    Re: Softlaw's Daily Red Sox Musing & Levity 2013 Part I (Spring Training)

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    so bill, explain to me why our pitching staff still sucked when iggy was in the MLB last season....



    Heh heh...good point mef.  We were 5-18 in games Iggy started last year.  Quite the impact.

     
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    Re: Softlaw's Daily Red Sox Musing & Levity 2013 Part I (Spring Training)

    a good fielding SS will have more of a benefit on the pitching staff than an average fielding SS but just remember... the ground a SS covers is marginal in comparison to the entire field of play. you can go a whole game without seeing a ball hit to SS... you can't go an entire game without your SS seeing 3 ABs. which is why i feel that hitting is more important than fielding.

     

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