Some Possible Higher Salary Players Possibly Available This Winter Via Trade

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    The Sox are in the drivers seat however they also are faced with a few dilema's:

    1. You have holes that have to be filled at 1 B and LF at least. Two corner positions that on many teams sre filled with two top hitters, run producers and other power categories. We don't have people that are in the system that are capable of filing either.

    2. You have several pitchers, many are comparable to one another. None are exceptional in the rotation or the pen.

    3. You have a plethora of minor league prospects that have to be reviewed, assigned and placed on depth charts--once again most are close to equal, talent wise--some are exceptional. The 40 man roster will have to be weeded out to protect the Sox prospects from being picked over by other clubs under the Rule 5.

    4. The 4 guys traded were replaced by 4 prospects and a potential FA. It will be imperitive to determine within the org who is cut loose, traded, protected and who they will be trading for to fill gaps.

    A mammoth task lies ahead for the organization.
     
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    It's far from a mammoth task.
    Most of your pitching is set. You just need to add a starter.
    Lester, Buchholz, Dubront, Lackey, Morales.
    Bailey, Aceves and Miller should be solid relievers, but a couple of guys could be added.
    3rd base, 2nd base is set. SS is a question.
    Ist base will not be a problem filling, with a trade or free agent. Morneau, Swisher, and Laroche are out there. I think Morneau might be the least expensive. Swisher is 31, also and could liven up the clubhouse. Laroche is 33, and coming off a monster season.
    DH is Papi. Sign him!
    OF is a mess. Ellsbury should go. Keep Ross, Podsednik and look for a guy like Justin Upton in a big trade. Maybe sign Bourn or Victorino to play CF.
    Catching is another question mark. Not many teams are set at the position.
    I like Chris Ianetta. Solid defensively, and has power. Could platoon with Salty.
    Lavarnway? Who knows. I liked what I saw of him last season. I've always liked what I saw of him in Pawtucket. I just haven't been impressed with him on this round. Bat seems slow, and he seems nervous behind the plate.
    A bridge year only in that the really good prospects like Bogaerts, Bradley, Barnes and Brentz are probably a year away.
     
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    Starting from the worst teams as of now... Houston: None Chicago Cubs:  A Soriano 13- 14 :$18M annually M Garza (arb) Marmol  13 :$9.8M D DeJesus  13 :$4.25M,  14 :$6.5M club option ($1.5M buyout) Colorado: J de la Rosa  13 :$11M player option ($1M buyout) which, if exercised by De La Rosa, gives club $11M club option for 2014 Cuddyer  13 :$10.5M,  14 :$10.5M Tulowitski  13 :$10M,  14 :$16M,  15- 19 :$20M annually,  20 :$14M, 21 :$15M club option ($4M buyout) C Gonzalez  13 :$7.5M,  14 :$10.5M,  15 :$16M,  16 :$17M,  17 :$20M Betancourt  13 :$4.25M,  14 :$4.25M mutual option ($0.25M buyout) Belisle  13 :$4.1M,  14 :$4.25M mutual option ($0.25M buyout) R Hernandez  13 :$3.2M Minnesota: J Mauer  13-18 : $23 million annually Morneau  13 :$14M Willingham  13 :$7M,  14 :$7M Capps  13 :$6M option ($0.25M buyout) Doumit  13 :$3.5M,  14 :$3.5M Span  13 :$4.75M,  14 :$6.5M,  15 :$9M club option ($0.5M buyout) G Perkins  13 :$2.5M,  14 :$3.75M,  15 :$3.75M,  16 :$4.5M club option ($0.3M buyout) Cleveland: Hafner  13 :$13M club option ($2.75M buyout) S Choo (arb) A Cabrera  13 :$6.5M,  14 :$10M C Perez (2 arbs) Masterson (2 arbs) C Santana  13 :$0.55M,  14 :$3.5M,  15 :$6M,  16 :$8.25M,  17 :$12M club opt ($1.2M buyout) Joe Smith (arb) San Deigo: Street  13 :$7M,  14 :$7M,  15 :$7M club option Quentin  13 :$9.5M,  14 :$9.5M,  15 :$8M,  16 :$10M mutual option ($3M buyout with 320 games played in 2013-15) Kansas City: B Butler  13: $8M,  14 :$8M,  15 :$12.5M club option ($1M buyout Francoeur  13 :$6.75M Gordon  13 :$9M,  14 :$10M,  15 :$12.5M,  16 :$12.5M player option Soria  13 :$8M club option,  14 :$8.75M club option ($0.75M buyout for each option) B Chen  13 :$4.5M Toronto: Bautista  13-15 :$14M annually,  16 :$14M club option ($1M buyout) R Romero  13 :$7.5M,  14 :$7.5M,  15 :$7.5M,  16 :$13.1M club option ($0.6M buyout) A Lind  13 :$5M,  14 :$7M club option ($2M buyout), Y Escobar  13 :$5M,  14 :$5M club option,  15 :$5M club option Morrow  13 :$8M,  14 :$8M,  15 :$10M club option ($1M buyout) Encarnacion  13 :$8M,  14 :$9M,  15 :$10M,  16 :$10M club option ($2M buyout) NY Mets: Santana  13 :$25.5M,  14 :$25M club option ($5.5M buyout) J Bay  13 :$16M,  14 :$17M club option ($3M buyout) Wright  13 :$16M club option ($1M buyout) Pelfrey (arb) Francisco  13 :$6.5M Dickey  13 :$5M club option ($0.3M buyout Torres (arb) Miami: J Johnson  13 :$13.75M Reyes  13 :$10M,  14 :$16M,  15 :$22M,  16 :$22M,  17 :$22M,  18 :$22M club option ($4M buyout) Nolasco  13 :$11.5M H Bell  13 :$9M,  14 :$9M Buehrle  13 :$11M,  14 :$18M,  15 :$19M Buck   13 :$6M Milwaukee: Weeks  13 :$10M,  14 :$11M,  15 :$11.5M vesting option Wolf  13 :$10M club option ($1.5M buyout) Hart  13 :$10M Braun 13-15: $8M ,  1 6 :$19M,  17 :$19M,  18 :$19M,  19 :$18M,  20 :$16M,  21 :$15M mutual option ($4M buyout) A Ramirez  13 :$10M,  14 :$16M,  15 : mutual option ($4M buyout) Gallardo  13 :$7.75M,  14 :$11.25M,  15 :$13M club option ($0.6M buyout) Philadelphia: C Lee  13 :$25M,  14 :$25M,  15 :$25M,  16 :$27.5M club option ($12.5M buyout) Halladay  13 :$20M,  14 :$20M option Howard  13 :$20M,  14 :$25M,  15 :$25M,  16 :$25M,  17 :$23M club option ($10M buyout) Hamels  13 :$19.5M,  14 :$22.5M,  15 :$22.5M,  16 :$22.5M,  17 :$22.5M,  18 :$22.5M, 19 :$20M club option ($6M buyout) Utley  13 :$15M Papelbon  13-15 : $13M annually,  16 :$13M vesting option Rollins  13 :$11M,  14 :$11M,  15 : option Polanco  13 :$5.5M mutual option ($1M buyout) Wiggington  13 :$4M option ($0.5M buyout) C Ruiz  13 :$5M club option ($0.5M buyout)  + arb Seattle: F Hernandez  13 :$19.5M,  14 :$20M Figgins  13 :$8M,  14 :$9M vesting option Guttierez  13 :$7M,  14 :$7.5M club option ($0.5M buyout) Vargas (arb) Arizona: Kubel  13 :$7.5M,  14 :$7.5M option ($1M buyout c Young  13 :$8.5M,  14 :$11M club option  J Upton  13 :$9.75M,  14 :$14.25M,  15 :$14.5M M Montero  13 :$10M,  14 :$10M,  15 :$12M,  16 :$14M,  17 :$14M AHill  13 :$8M club option,  14 :$10M club option Putz  3 :$6.5M club option ($1.5M buyout) Cahill  16 :$13M club option ($0.3M buyout),  17 :$13.5M club option ($0.5M buyout) To be continued...
    Posted by moonslav59


    I bet you never thought you would be posting a thread like this moon? The Dodgers pulled off the heist of the century which certainly opens many options for us but there are only a select few that I would want if they became available.

    F. Hernandez SP
    B.
    McCarthy SP
    M. Garza SP

    Rizzo
     1B
    Braun LF, who I have said many times would be a huge addition
    Mauer 1B, C
    Montero C
    Ruiz C, 33 but better than Salty
    A. Gordon DH, LF, 1B, 3B
     
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    Morneau is 31 years old, which isn't ancient for a power hitter, especially if you're not figuring him as more than 2 years. He's under team control until 2014.
    Posted by rightymclefty

    Not counting 2014. He has 1 year left at $14M. 

    I doubt the Sox trade good prospects for 1 year of control at $14M in a year we are not expected to compete.

    I wouldn't be shocked if the 1B job is shared by Gomez, Salty, Papi and maybe Travis Shaw.

     
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    I would be shocked, because perception is, the team needs to find a reasonable substitute for Gonzalez.
    At least Morneau has the gravitas of being a former MVP, multi time All Star, Gold Glove and yes, Home Run Derby champion.
     
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    If manangement wants a draw with minimal term commitment, the Morneau may be there "bridge" to 2014.

    I'd prefer we look for someone who will be getting better after 2013 and has 3+ years of team control.
     
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    Those type of players will cost a lot, in terms of players and money.
     
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    ...First off, show me concrete evidence that it actually works.
    Posted by rkarp


    have you seen the offensive numbers put up in the 90's and 00's????

    just take a look at the 2 most recent guys busted.
    the pitcher went from mediocracy and basically being out of baseball to a "resergence" with the NYY and then having a + season this year.
    the outfielder went from hitting <.250 to .345 hitting MVP candidate in 1-1/2 years.
    the stuff works.  to think it doesn't is being naive.
     
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    In Response to Re: Some Possible Higher Salary Players Possibly Available This Winter Via Trade : have you seen the offensive numbers put up in the 90's and 00's???? just take a look at the 2 most recent guys busted. the pitcher went from mediocracy and basically being out of baseball to a "resergence" with the NYY and then having a + season this year. the outfielder went from hitting <.250 to .345 hitting MVP candidate in 1-1/2 years. the stuff works.  to think it doesn't is being naive.
    Posted by slasher9


    but for every instance you can possibly state that it works, I can name 3 instances that the players performance has not peaked...how is that proof that it indeed works?
     
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    So, let's lock up a sure felonious character like Ryan Braun, to a long term contract. Braun's going to break down soon, assuming he doesn't get caught again.       

    Look, I am not defending Braun. I am saying that he is an intriguing player that could enhance the lineup. And the Brewers, stuck in that middle ground of going nowhere, with a high priced trade commodity, and not a lot of help on the farm. A lineup of Ellsbury, Pedroia, Braun, Papi, Ross, Middlebrooks is certainly interesting.  

    Also, Braun doesn't need to be "locked up", he already is, to what I believe is a contract that is less than Agon and CC in AAV. He is also 2 years younger than Agon, and 3 years younger than CC. 

    With your reference to "breaking down", does that mean CC was also on steroids? Who has "broken down" more than he over the last 2 years? How about DiceK? Are his numerous trips to the DL because of steroids breaking down his body? Should we also assume that Becketts lost velo in his age 31 year is because he is now off steroids? 

     

                  
     
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    to think steroids doesnt enhance your abilities is silly.  it has been proven in every sport both professionally and on amateur levels.  this debate is a waste of time.
     
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    If the Twins were willing to kick in 45/50 million anyone willing ot take on Joe Mauer?????
     
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    If the Twins were willing to kick in 45/50 million anyone willing ot take on Joe Mauer?????
    Posted by ctredsoxfanhugh


    How about: Salty, Lackey and  a couple nice prospects for Joe?
     
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    If you look at the names in the Mitchell Report, most of the users named were scrubs. But that’s not what anyone mentions – the attention is all focused on the stars, the Bonds/Clemens/McGwire et al. Those guys are the exceptions and not the norm. It’s not effective to talk about how Ricardo Rincon was caught, because his use of PEDs doesn’t appear to have had any tangible effect on his game. Ditto Alex Sanchez. And on and on.

    And that’s without even getting into the way HGH has been presumed to be an effective PED despite a lack of any scientific evidence behind this.
    As soon as anyone can show proof, why do you care that Marion Jones took steroids, and it MIGHT have shaved 1/10th of a second off of her time in the 100 meters? And what does that have to do anything with Ryan Braun, who most likely is the most tested player in all of MLB, yet still mashing with no dip in performance...

     
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    In Response to Re: Some Possible Higher Salary Players Possibly Available This Winter Via Trade : How about: Salty, Lackey and  a couple nice prospects for Joe?
    Posted by moonslav59



    I guess it depends on what prospects and if the money is right but yes.  Obviously I would expect Minn. to pay some of his salary.  I don't think anyone wants to pay a man 23 million a year to hit 9 HR's.  I do love his defense and hit tool, and I would bank that his power would have a resurgence in Boston....I wouldn't bank 23 million on it though. 
     
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    In Response to Re: Some Possible Higher Salary Players Possibly Available This Winter Via Trade : I guess it depends on what prospects and if the money is right but yes.  Obviously I would expect Minn. to pay some of his salary.  I don't think anyone wants to pay a man 23 million a year to hit 9 HR's.  I do love his defense and hit tool, and I would bank that his power would have a resurgence in Boston....I wouldn't bank 23 million on it though. 
    Posted by ctredsoxfanhugh


    That would greatly offset by MN taking on Lackey's deal.

    What if the 2 prospects were blocked kids named Cecchini and Iggy.

     
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    In Response to Re: Some Possible Higher Salary Players Possibly Available This Winter Via Trade : That would greatly offset by MN taking on Lackey's deal. What if the 2 prospects were blocked kids named Cecchini and Iggy.
    Posted by moonslav59

    I could live with that, I think I'd still want to see a little money in the trade(don't think Minn would want to kick in much, likely less than what I originally said).  I could live with the Prospects.  Cecchini is a 3B I believe and Middlebrooks may be able to man the position for years to come.  I guess Bogaerts is the SS of the future now and not Iggy....although I've been contemplating lately if Iggy is still viewed as the future SS and the organization is considering switching Bogaerts to the outfield? (Iv'e read that he is thought to move off position as he matures)  Regardless you have to give something to get something and I'm speculating a lot here.  Infielders also seem to be a surplus amongst the ranks of prospects so it makes sense to trade some away for talent. 

     
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    If you look at the names in the Mitchell Report, most of the users named were scrubs. But that’s not what anyone mentions – the attention is all focused on the stars, the Bonds/Clemens/McGwire et al. Those guys are the exceptions and not the norm. It’s not effective to talk about how Ricardo Rincon was caught, because his use of PEDs doesn’t appear to have had any tangible effect on his game. Ditto Alex Sanchez. And on and on. And that’s without even getting into the way HGH has been presumed to be an effective PED despite a lack of any scientific evidence behind this. As soon as anyone can show proof, why do you care that Marion Jones took steroids, and it MIGHT have shaved 1/10th of a second off of her time in the 100 meters? And what does that have to do anything with Ryan Braun, who most likely is the most tested player in all of MLB, yet still mashing with no dip in performance...
    Posted by rkarp


    Maybe those "scrubs" in the mitchell report would have never played above HS ball without "help".  to doubt the effectiveness of these drugs is to be in denial.
    as for marion jones. 1/10th of a second in a 100 meters race is an eternity.  look at swimming...in the last 2 olympics Phelps both won a gold and lost a gold in 1/100th of a second.....
     
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    I like the idea of having two guys like Brooksie and Boggie in the lineup as early as next year. Boggie might be a capable 1 B and Brooksie will improve defensively next season. SS could be manned by either Ciriaco, Iggy or Aviles.

    I have been thinking perhaps Pedroia might bring us a pitcher or a big bat. How about Pedroia for VMart or Pedroia and 2 prospects for Mauer to play 1B. Lackey would go to the Twins to offset Maurer's salary.

    Inf. --Mauer, Ciriaco, Iggy and Middlebrooks.

    OF--Bogaerts,LF--Ells/Bradley, CF--Ross/Brentz in RF

    C--Salty and Lavarnway

    DH --Ortiz
     
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    Softidiot writes that Justim Morneau is a bum and Ryan Braun is a felon.
    This from a creep claiming to be a lawyer.
    Bet you're so cowardly, that you'd never dare say this to their faces.
    Fact- Braun has been tested hundreds of times and had one false positive result .Fact- Braun has been a star from day one.This isn't Brady Anderson, suddenly putting up 50 HRs out of nowhere.
    He doesn't have Prince behind him and is putting up higher SP, HR, and RBI than his MVP season.
    Somehow the bigot calls him a felon.
    This is a guy who is well loved by his teammates, and fans in Milwaukee.
    Only a moron wouldn't want him on their team.
    He's one of the very best players in baseball.
    This drivel from a clown who'd trade half the franchise for Justin Upton, who couldn't hold Braun's jock.
    Keep the garbage piling up, Softidiot. When's your next post using every excuse to bash Ellsbury? You are one sick individual.
     
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    Nice post as always Moonmeister. Kinda funny listening to the thoughts folks have. Many assume we are now the Kansas City Royals and will be relegated,like them, to playing only youth and dirt cheap free agents. We are a top 5 team in baseball guys, with the highest ticket prices of anyone. We are enormously WEALTHY, and should conduct ourselves accordingly. Spending money is NOT the problem. The problem was Theo spent too much on the WRONG people. He treated Beckett like a true #1 when he's certainly a nice 2-3. I don't fault him for the trade to get him, only for the decision to resign him for 4 yrs after a spotty performance here. He paid Crawford like he was Barry Bonds in his prime-and he simply wasn't. Nobody could have predicted Gonzo's power outtage, though I didn't like the medical reports re: the shoulder when we signed him. It was a risky move that may or may not have panned out, but he had to go once he joined the mutineers. I certainly hope the Red Sox rebuild in a forceful and calculated way. Spend and spend big, but do so wisely! Pay attention to those Tampa Bay Rays and start to emulate them. Kick that crazy wench Carmen to the curb once and for all! She was overated at the beginning, and has been disastrous of late. Moneyball is here to stay, but it's limitations and weaknesses have surely been on display the past several seasons. It's time to have human reason oversee the 0's and 1's. We have the resources to dominate this off season, and we desperately need to do just that. We should be aggressive, just like the large market team that we are. Anything less would be an insult to the Nations fanbase, and would deserve the harshest of rebukes. Most of us gave Henry+the boys a pass for this year, understanding the terrible condition we were in. No such pass will be issued for next season. The time for excuses is now over. The time to rebuild this teams glory is upon us.
     
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