Sox demise not what you think/Josh Beckett and Jon Lester aren't all to blame -- just check the numbers-Do you buy Gordon Edes explanation?

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    Re: Sox demise not what you think/Josh Beckett and Jon Lester aren't all to blame -- just check the numbers-Do you buy Gordon...

    No they are not totall guilty. Lots to go around. FO, BV at times. Managing these guys has to be tough. Ralph Houk would spit in their eye. The top 4 hitters are meshing well but too many automatic outs at the end unless Ross is in there. Salty: bad. Punto:bad. It really is nice to see CC and Ells show up to be an aggressively  and winning pair. I still thin Aviles should be the alternate inf sub. Ciriaco can play anywhere, but Ells has shown some great D. I hope Valencia wakes up and shows he is not a fluke. As many pointed out, Papi is through. I would like to see his face when offers him come in on the low ball express.
     
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    Re: Sox demise not what you think/Josh Beckett and Jon Lester aren't all to blame -- just check the numbers-Do you buy Gordon...

    He's 100 percent correct.

    It's too simplistic and simple-minded and lazy to just blame two players. Saying there is plenty of blame to go around isn't letting them off the hook for not pitching better. But there's no doubt to anyone paying attention that there is more to the bad record than just two pitchers underperforming.
     
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    Yeah, the manager, for one.
     
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    Re: Sox demise not what you think/Josh Beckett and Jon Lester aren't all to blame -- just check the numbers-Do you buy Gordon...

    Beckett and Lester get a lot of blame because the deserve a lot of blame.  No leadership from either one of them.  Proof - Buch was playing terribly.  Get's caught playing golf with Beckett on an off day.  From then on, he gets serious and finds his game.

    Beckett should have been the one helping these guys find their games, not enabling them to get distracted and find excuses.

    Lester seems like a nice guy, but he's a mental midget.  Not a leader.
     
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    Re: Sox demise not what you think/Josh Beckett and Jon Lester aren't all to blame -- just check the numbers-Do you buy Gordon...

    I have been saying that for te past 3 months.
    They have been so inconsistent in all phases of the game all year.

    Gee inconsistency all year.
    I thought the BV lovers said his approach to ST wold ensure this team would and could play solid fundamental baseball all year. Well this has been the worst year for fundamentals on an on going basis. They can not play two fundamentaly sound games in a row. INCONSISTENTCY all year.
     
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    Re: Sox demise not what you think/Josh Beckett and Jon Lester aren't all to blame -- just check the numbers-Do you buy Gordon...

    In Response to Sox demise not what you think/Josh Beckett and Jon Lester aren't all to blame -- just check the numbers-Do you buy Gordon Edes explanation?:
    GordonEdes Gordon Edes Some of you will have a field day with this one: don't put it all on Jon Lester and Josh Beckett http://t.co/HKbSBhNu
    Posted by 2004Idiots


    Of course it's not Lester' and Beckett's fault - they've pitched brilliantly, totally living up to expectations from past-performance and pay perspectives.  I can't believe anyone could see it any differently.  They've been great - just bad luck.  Their W-L record - not reflective.  They're ERA's - no truch in that.  They're WHIPs - nah, that's a useless sabematrics stat-head creation.  Yup, they've been terrific and they're luck's been bad.
     
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    Re: Sox demise not what you think/Josh Beckett and Jon Lester aren't all to blame -- just check the numbers-Do you buy Gordon...

    They are not having good years, period.  I love the stats Edes cites because they confirm the Sox don't really have to dump either player in the offseason.  They are not the only problem, but the normal expectation was and is they would be better than they have been.  They have hurt the team.  Buchholz hurt the team early in the season.  Ditto Bard.  Ditto Matsuzaka.  Doubront is fading fast. 

    They were the same two who hurt the team in September. 
     
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    No one watching Beckett pitch this season can think he has got it together.  He sort of kind of commands his fastball, which now ranges 89 to 91 mph, but he does not command is breaking balls.  The changeup lingers around the middle of the plate when it should be down.  The curve ball goes anywhere but where it should.  He has been lucky tonight to give up just 2 runs going into the 6th, very lucky.  Then his luck ran out and he is now charged with 6 runs, which is about right. 
     
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    Time to send fat Bucket home for the year.
     
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    Re: Sox demise not what you think/Josh Beckett and Jon Lester aren't all to blame -- just check the numbers-Do you buy Gordon...

    Just another "bad luck, bad break" game for Beckett.  Those 6 earned runs?  Bad luck.  Those two walks?  Bad umpiring.  Those two HR's - lucky batters squaring up on one of his flaming fast balls or knee bending curves - two great pitches that just happened to get hit out of the park.  There are many reasons this team stinks this year - but Lester and Beckett have nothing to do with our woeful season - they've been great as evidenced tonight.
     
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    In Response to Re: Sox demise not what you think/Josh Beckett and Jon Lester aren't all to blame -- just check the numbers-Do you buy Gordon Edes explanation?:
    Just another "bad luck, bad break" game for Beckett.  Those 6 earned runs?  Bad luck.  Those two walks?  Bad umpiring.  Those two HR's - lucky batters squaring up on one of his flaming fast balls or knee bending curves - two great pitches that just happened to get hit out of the park.  There are many reasons this team stinks this year - but Lester and Beckett have nothing to do with our woeful season - they've been great as evidenced tonight.
    Posted by gr82bme


    Great to be you, yes we all know that.
     
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    In Response to Re: Sox demise not what you think/Josh Beckett and Jon Lester aren't all to blame -- just check the numbers-Do you buy Gordon Edes explanation?:
    In Response to Re: Sox demise not what you think/Josh Beckett and Jon Lester aren't all to blame -- just check the numbers-Do you buy Gordon Edes explanation? : Great to be you, yes we all know that.
    Posted by 6k42lt913c


    Next time you post, how's about you have an actual point.  Dumb post - yes we all know that.
     
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    Gr82bme = Great to be me. 
     
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    Gr82bme = Great to be me. 
    Posted by 6k42lt913c


    6k42lt913c = another pointless post.
     
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    Re: Sox demise not what you think/Josh Beckett and Jon Lester aren't all to blame -- just check the numbers-Do you buy Gordon...

    Nope. It's the pitching stupid. And might I add that Gordon Edes lost every bit of credibility he ever had with me after his flip flop on Valentine.
     
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    Re: Sox demise not what you think/Josh Beckett and Jon Lester aren't all to blame -- just check the numbers-Do you buy Gordon...

    I agree there is plenty of blame to spread around.  That said...if Beckett and Lester...the Sox 1-2 punch were merely .500 pitchers this year (which would still be terrible) the Sox would be be leading the WC race, despite all other factors.
     
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    Re: Sox demise not what you think/Josh Beckett and Jon Lester aren't all to blame -- just check the numbers-Do you buy Gordon...

    In Response to Re: Sox demise not what you think/Josh Beckett and Jon Lester aren't all to blame -- just check the numbers-Do you buy Gordon Edes explanation?:
    I agree there is plenty of blame to spread around.  That said...if Beckett and Lester...the Sox 1-2 punch were merely .500 pitchers this year (which would still be terrible) the Sox would be be leading the WC race, despite all other factors.
    Posted by traven


    If the RP had not blown 16 saves they'd be ahead of every one.
    Can play the what if game all day.
    They have all had a hand in this year with one or two exceptions maybe.
     
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    Re: Sox demise not what you think/Josh Beckett and Jon Lester aren't all to blame -- just check the numbers-Do you buy Gordon...

    In Response to Re: Sox demise not what you think/Josh Beckett and Jon Lester aren't all to blame -- just check the numbers-Do you buy Gordon Edes explanation?:
    In Response to Re: Sox demise not what you think/Josh Beckett and Jon Lester aren't all to blame -- just check the numbers-Do you buy Gordon Edes explanation? : If the RP had not blown 16 saves they'd be ahead of every one. Can play the what if game all day. They have all had a hand in this year with one or two exceptions maybe.
    Posted by JimfromFlorida


    Yup! This crap sandwich is big enough for everyone to take a bite.
     
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