Sox eyeing Michael Young?

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    This issue of Drew may be settled very shortly. WMB had a monster night for AAA. They may move Drew to the DL, retroactive, then assign him to AAA to rehab--I think the DL allows WMB to come back in time for the Western trip and AS break. WMB comes up, Drew DL, Diaz stays as Super Sub, Snyder goes down.

    I do see the Sox making a move for Young as the Super sub for the balance of the year and as insurance for Drew and Nap.    OR  for a lesser move Kevin Frandsen as a true super sub--plays every position (not sure about C).

     

     

     



    Young can't play defense at third, but you want him for backup shortstop ?  If you like carping / backbiting / complaining / etc . in the clubhouse, get Young and sit him on the bench. Heck, while at it, let's bring back Shoppach, Manny Ram, Clemens, Carl Everett, Hillebrand, and any other me-first, screw the team guys we can find.

     

     

     

     

     

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    Your criticism of Young's defense has some merit, but I'm not buying into the idea that he'll be a clubhouse problem.  

     

     

     

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    Jason merit because he's been a problem in the clubhouse several times before????? Saying he will not be a problem in the clubhouse because he will somehow be different here hasn't Merit.

     

    Drew is coming back.  WMB is underratedby many on this board and may likely be back in the picture soon.  Snyder at the very least is a good back up who can fill in as a starter here and there. Iglesias is still mashing it and can play multiple positions and we have an all around baseball top prospect phenom at SS who's playing 3B now in Pawtucket knocking on the door.

    If there was ever a time NOT to trade and give up prospects for guy with multiple question marks at a position that has many in house alternatives NOW is that time. 

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    I agree 100% CTHugh...Middlebrooks is vastly underrated on this board.  Young right-handed hitters with his power don't grow on trees and he has teriffic make-up, which this Sox Front Office clearly puts a higher value on.  He is certainly not going to be traded anytime soon, but it is obviously a possibility he may be switched to 1st at some point, unless they move Boegarts to left.  I think it was Halifax who said somethink like, "We're all very lucky that the Sox Organization has a lot more patience than most of the posters on this board."

     
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    Re: Sox eyeing Michael Young?

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    clubhouse issues only exist if more tha one presents an issue. As a rental and a half year player Young would simply meld in and there would be no issues.



    That's absolutely false.  People create issue all the time, everyone knows a drama queen and no one ever wants them around.

     
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    Middlebrooks is vastly underrated on this board.

    He was vastly over-rated after a half a season last year. Now, he is a huge question mark in everybody's head. Nobody has a clue at how he will turn out. He still has oodles of potential, but it is a potential to be very good and also to never make it as a solid full timer.

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    clubhouse issues only exist if more tha one presents an issue. As a rental and a half year player Young would simply meld in and there would be no issues.

     



    That's absolutely false.  People create issue all the time, everyone knows a drama queen and no one ever wants them around.

     

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    If we did trade for him, and we sit him vs RHPs (since Drew is a better choice there), how will he handle being on the bench 50-65% of the games?

    I see "drama" all over the place in the making.

    Better to sit tight or trade for a guy like A Ramirez on the Brewers and sit Drew (or trade him).

     
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    Re: Sox eyeing Michael Young?

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    Middlebrooks is vastly underrated on this board.

    He was vastly over-rated after a half a season last year. Now, he is a huge question mark in everybody's head. Nobody has a clue at how he will turn out. He still has oodles of potential, but it is a potential to be very good and also to never make it as a solid full timer.

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    We'll see, but the point is, he's not going anywhere anytime soon.  He's battled injuries this year, and players usually take a while to be 100% after wrist surgery.  He obviously also needs to show he can make the adjustment in his approach.  I'm betting he does, but either way, he's not going to be involved in any kind of trade, as many have mentioned.

     
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    Re: Sox eyeing Michael Young?

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    Middlebrooks is vastly underrated on this board.

    He was vastly over-rated after a half a season last year. Now, he is a huge question mark in everybody's head. Nobody has a clue at how he will turn out. He still has oodles of potential, but it is a potential to be very good and also to never make it as a solid full timer.

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    We'll see, but the point is, he's not going anywhere anytime soon.  He's battled injuries this year, and players usually take a while to be 100% after wrist surgery.  He obviously also needs to show he can make the adjustment in his approach.  I'm betting he does, but either way, he's not going to be involved in any kind of trade, as many have mentioned.

     

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    I seriously doubt we trade him now either. With 1b and 3B open next year, we need some healthy competition out there.

    1B: Carp/Nava/Middlebrooks/Almanzar? (T Shaw and Cecchini in 2015?)

    3B: Bogaerts/Midds/Snyder (Iggy, if we find a SS who is better than our 3Bman)

     
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    Re: Sox eyeing Michael Young?

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    This issue of Drew may be settled very shortly. WMB had a monster night for AAA. They may move Drew to the DL, retroactive, then assign him to AAA to rehab--I think the DL allows WMB to come back in time for the Western trip and AS break. WMB comes up, Drew DL, Diaz stays as Super Sub, Snyder goes down.

    I do see the Sox making a move for Young as the Super sub for the balance of the year and as insurance for Drew and Nap.    OR  for a lesser move Kevin Frandsen as a true super sub--plays every position (not sure about C).

     

     

     



    Young can't play defense at third, but you want him for backup shortstop ?  If you like carping / backbiting / complaining / etc . in the clubhouse, get Young and sit him on the bench. Heck, while at it, let's bring back Shoppach, Manny Ram, Clemens, Carl Everett, Hillebrand, and any other me-first, screw the team guys we can find.

     

     

     

     

     

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    Your criticism of Young's defense has some merit, but I'm not buying into the idea that he'll be a clubhouse problem.  

     

     

     

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    Jason merit because he's been a problem in the clubhouse several times before????? Saying he will not be a problem in the clubhouse because he will somehow be different here hasn't Merit.

     

    Drew is coming back.  WMB is underratedby many on this board and may likely be back in the picture soon.  Snyder at the very least is a good back up who can fill in as a starter here and there. Iglesias is still mashing it and can play multiple positions and we have an all around baseball top prospect phenom at SS who's playing 3B now in Pawtucket knocking on the door.

    If there was ever a time NOT to trade and give up prospects for guy with multiple question marks at a position that has many in house alternatives NOW is that time. 

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    Where is this notion that Mike Young is somehow this potential clubhouse cancer coming from?  I know there were some issues in Texas when he was moved to third base to make way for Elvis Andrus without being consulted first, but ultimately Young settled into his new role and was even lauded for the sacrafice he made for the team.  Now, I'm not buying into the notion either that he was so gracious and magnanimous in "sacrificing" himself for the team as it sounds like Ranger and Michael Young PR, but I've been searching Michael Young and words like "drama," and I'm coming up with very little.  In addition, even if he were a bit difficult from time to time, this didn't seem to have had much of effect on a team that had made it to the World Series two out of the last three seasons and finished with a record of 93 and 69 last season.

     
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    But why trade for a platoon player when we very well may have better options in house?  It makes no sense when we need to improve the pitching

     
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    Re: Sox eyeing Michael Young?

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    But why trade for a platoon player when we very well may have better options in house?  It makes no sense when we need to improve the pitching

     



    This point is fair and valid, but don't go adding unfounded assumptions about his character as it undermines the valid points that you do make.  

     

    As far as this valid point is concerned, I think the label "platoon" is very limiting in terms of how I would think of Young's overall contribution to the team.  I would include words like insurance, hedging one's bets, veteran presence and X-factor to it.  So far, Snyder has been another pleasant surprise and may have altered the equation somewhat.  Boegarts and even Middlebrooks are questionable contributors for this season.  

    Michael Young is obviously not a make or break kind of acquisition.  It's down the list in terms of trading priorities.  I just think of it a reasonable consideration if the Red Sox don't have to give up much for him, which I don't think they will.  

     
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    Re: Sox eyeing Michael Young?

    I understand what you're saying but in he larger scheme of things it just makes zero sense....Young could very well make this team no better, cost prospects that could be better spent on pitching.....he's a waste of time and effort.  It's as if people want him just because he's available.  Its like the neighbor who wants our crappy couch just because you are throwing it away.

     
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    Re: Sox eyeing Michael Young?

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    I understand what you're saying but in he larger scheme of things it just makes zero sense....Young could very well make this team no better, cost prospects that could be better spent on pitching.....he's a waste of time and effort.  It's as if people want him just because he's available.  Its like the neighbor who wants our crappy couch just because you are throwing it away.



    You're right in that Young could very well make this team no better, but he won't make them worse.  Try thinking of him more in terms of Dave Roberts or Doug Mientkiewicz.  The Red Sox didn't need Dave Roberts so much as an outfielder, but he was there in case one of the regulars went down.  Besides his very specialized role as a late inning defensive replacement,  Mientkiewicz was also a hedge against Millar who could go into deep slumps at the plate.  Both players were not needed as regulars, but their specialized roles proved to play a big part in the postseason.

    As far as Young is concerned, I can envision a late-inning game situation against a tough loogie (left-handed specialist) facing Drew, Nava, Carp (if for some reason Napoli is unavailable) or possibly even Salty.  Gomes is probably option number 1 to pinchhit, but maybe they've already used that option, or it's the 7th inning, and they're holding the Gomes option for later.  Young could make a huge difference in this situation, or at the very least, he might force the opposing manager to make a counter move.

    I realize that he is more of a luxury item, bu he's certainly more than a coveted crappy couch.  Any transaction for Young would in no way supercede any deal for pitching help.  The Red Sox may not pull the string on a blockbuster deal, so there may be plenty of room under the cap to spend to pick up the tab on Young.  As far as prospects are concerned, the Red Sox won't deal anybody with a higher ceiling than a career sub.  If this is the cost, he's at least worth looking into and persuing.

     

     

     
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    Re: Sox eyeing Michael Young?

    It should not take too much to get Young. Maybe a guy like Almanzar .  Certainly not Bogaerts or Cecchini.

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