Sox need a third catcher, IMHO

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    Sox need a third catcher, IMHO

    No way you can let Tek hit late in the game. And if he does get on base, you gotta pinch run. And like tonight, he cant throw. Come to think of it, Tek, we love ya, but either you gotta go, or we need to carry a third catcher.

    Thoughts, anyone?
     
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    A THIRD Catcher??????????????????????
     
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    LETS PUT IT THIS WAY. IF THEO EPSTEIN HAD ANY KIND OF
    ORGANIZATIONAL LEADERSHIP , WE WOULD HAVE A DECENT
    TANDEM OF CATCHERS INSTEAD OF " NO-HIT SALTY" AND
    NO HIT, NO FIELD VARITEK. [DESPITE SALTY'S HIT TONITE
    HE K'd TWICE. THE CATCHING POSITION IS KEY, ON ANY
    CLUB THAT ASPIRES TO THE POST SEASON, AND WE JUST ARE
    WOEFULLY LACKING. BY THE WAY, IF YOUKILIS CONTINUES
    IN HIS FUNK, THIS CLUB IS A LOCK FOR THIRD PLACE. AS IT
    IS , WE CAN'T BEAT THE BLUE JAYS WITH OUR BEST PITCHER.
    WHILE THE YANKS HAVE MARTIN AND CERVELLI, WE WILL
    QUIETLY HEAD FOR LAST PLACE TO FILL THE CELLAR SPOT.
    THIS CLUB HAS NO BUSINESS CARRYING WAKEFIELD, VARITEK,
    OR SALTALAMACCHIA. IT MAKES ME SICK JUST TO SEE WAKE
    WARMING UP IN THE PEN. IT WOULD BE UTTER MADNESS TO
    BRING HIM IN DURING AN EXTRA INNING GAME. WHAT COULD
    FRANCONA BE THINKING ??
     
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    This is difficult.  The answer certainly isn't a third catcher.  Part of it is that Francona just needs to be more willing to hit for Salty/Tek and go with one catcher in extra innings.  In fact, at this point this is probably the answer since i'm not sure how good of a catcher you'll be able to trade for/ pick off of waivers...
     
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    We need A catcher.

     
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    If the 25-man roster would leave the dark ages and expand in accordance with how the game has evolved (the need to carry more BP arms due to starters no longer completing games, etc.), then it'd be common place to carry 3 receivers.
     
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    I think a 27 man roster would be fine. If it was any bigger, we'd have PR specialists and too many ingame moves.
     
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    I could definitely live with 27. But women will be getting legal abortions at Walmart before we ever see that day.
     
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    Does Vtek's supposed perfection with the pitching staff outweigh his obvious deficiencies everywhere else?

    I know people will disagree, but I don't think so.

    While I'm at it, why in heaven's name did Francona allow Drew to bat in the 8th inning against Rzepczynski?  He'd never gotten a hit off of him before, and I think it was mentioned that he had K'd like 3 times against him.  And, Cameron and MdDonald have slivers in their arss's...especially McDonald...what's he had only about 20 plate appearances so far this year?   I don't like talking about Francona, but his loyalty, or whatever it is, is getting old.
     
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    What's dumb about this thread is that is shows up after the loss because of the two SBs put the winning run on third, obviously blaming Tek for the loss.

    Ummmm, OK. Let's see:

    Lester, the Sox ace allowed five runs in 5.2 IP.

    Youk, the cleanup hitter went 0-5.

    Bard, the supposed closer of the future, allows a go-ahead homer.

    And as a team, the Sox scored just six runs on 16 hits.

    Yeah, all that had nothing to do with the loss. The Sox lost because of their backup catcher.

    He's the backup for a reason. He's going to be flawed. Most of the backup catchers out there are just as flawed.


     
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    "Davis took advantage of Boston's poor record of curtailing basestealers to set up the win." rotowire 

    There you have it - 
     
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    Excellent take, Roy.
     
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    FWIW, the Sox have thrown out 11 would-be basestealers, which is fourth in the league. On the other hand, they have thrown out 22 percent of basestealers, which is 10th in the A.L. (ahead of the Yankees) but within a group of four teams between 21 and 25 percent.

    Salty has thrown out 24 percent, which isn't all that bad, especially when you consider how poor the Sox pitchers are at holding runners.
     
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    FWIW, the Sox have thrown out 11 would-be basestealers, which is fourth in the league. On the other hand, they have thrown out 22 percent of basestealers, which is 10th in the A.L. (ahead of the Yankees) but within a group of four teams between 21 and 25 percent.




    Roy is having fun with the numbers

    while the yanks & sox are pretty  much tied % wise

    the yanks have given up 25 SB

    the sox        42 which is the most in mlb


    http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/team/_/stat/pitching/sort/caughtStealingPct/type/expanded-2/order/true
     
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    I know what is it with the numbers - the fact is that every team in the AL knows they can run against us - they have thrown out 11 because they have had so many attempts (53?) against them.  Roy you sound like a politician, no mention of the 42 steals (WORST IN THE MAJORS) just the fact they have thrown out 11 and that is 4th best in the league.

    You should be thrown in the forum jail for a week.
     
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    I said that a year ago. Either Varitek has to go or they need to bring in another catcher who is very strong at throwing to the bases and blocking behind the plate. Forget the hitting, VMart had to be retained to split time with a defensive catcher. VMart would have been a solid split time DH/catcher after Ortiz retires or departs.

    Varitek looks nothing short of pitiful, hitting, running, blocking pitches and running.
     
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    "Boston starters have a bad tendency. They put runners on (80 walks surrendered, second-most in the AL) then let them run wild (27 steals allowed, most in MLB)." foxsports.com

    Can anyone of you explain this one away?

    The catchers that you are praising and crediting for great pitching must also be responsible for issuing the second most walks in the entire AL - and then they can't throw them out.  Sounds like a winning combination for the CERA trumpeters.
     
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    This is on Lester, and to an extent, Bard.  The offense scored 6 runs which should have been more than enough.
     
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    this team is leaving an awful amount of men on base. Lots of hits but unable to get guys across the bag. I don't know if the lineup needs to be shuffled, maybe at least until Youk is hitting again, or what. But we don't need another catcher taking up roster space.
     
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    In Response to Re: Sox need a third catcher, IMHO:
    What's dumb about this thread is that is shows up after the loss because of the two SBs put the winning run on third, obviously blaming Tek for the loss. Ummmm, OK. Let's see: Lester, the Sox ace allowed five runs in 5.2 IP. Youk, the cleanup hitter went 0-5. Bard, the supposed closer of the future, allows a go-ahead homer. And as a team, the Sox scored just six runs on 16 hits. Yeah, all that had nothing to do with the loss. The Sox lost because of their backup catcher. He's the backup for a reason. He's going to be flawed. Most of the backup catchers out there are just as flawed.
    Posted by royf19

    It isn't just because of this one game.  Neither Tek nor Salty are playing like MLB starters, and neither showed last year that they were able to play like MLB starters.  The Red Sox need a catcher and not because they lost last night.

     
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    In Response to Re: Sox need a third catcher, IMHO:
    In Response to Re: Sox need a third catcher, IMHO : It isn't just because of this one game.  Neither Tek nor Salty are playing like MLB starters, and neither showed last year that they were able to play like MLB starters.  The Red Sox need a catcher and not because they lost last night.
    Posted by snakeoil123


    Sorry, but you're just wrong here. Salty had a key hit last night that kept us in the game. He's also consistently caught Lester through the season with good results. Yes, neither of them are good at throwing out baserunners but what do you propose? You think Pudge or Molina out of retirement will net you better results?
     
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    In Response to Re: Sox need a third catcher, IMHO:
    In Response to Re: Sox need a third catcher, IMHO : It isn't just because of this one game.  Neither Tek nor Salty are playing like MLB starters, and neither showed last year that they were able to play like MLB starters.  The Red Sox need a catcher and not because they lost last night.
    Posted by snakeoil123


    The Sox backup catchers are fine.  The problem is they have 2 of them, and no starters.
     
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    the SOX definitely need a catcher; the SOX also need a new GM.
    time to leave THEO. 
     
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    Tek shouldnt have been in there anyway..Salty was doing fine.. And yes, I was asking myself this question when it happened and this is NOT a hindsight thing..Right now, Salty is tthe starter but looks like a backup and Tek IS the backup and surely looks like it.. Dont get me wrong, I love Tek and Im warming up to salty but if these guys cant throw runners out and somehow make the runners fearful to take off, were going to lose games like last night. If he didnt steal 2 bases, they wouldnt have won it...well, at least not in that inning..If things dont change, Im all for a trade/call-up by the deadline.
     
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    Re: Sox need a third catcher, IMHO

    Matt Albers: Last 36 of 45 attempted steals successful against him (80%)

    Jason Varitek: Last 16 of 19 attempted steals successful against him (84%)
     
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