Sox now at 110 Million(including projected arbritation numbers)

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    In response to Softlaw1's comment:
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    I don't mean in Softy land but in the real world

    The real world isn't my value budget for 2013 of 100 to 120M, it's the real world of nearly a billion dollars spent on big labor and zero playoff wins in 2009, 2010, 2011 and 2012.

    And note that some idiot wants to offer Hamilton 150 million guranteed.

    And note that some idiot wants to spend more than 150M in 2013 labor costs, because it's accounted for zero playoff wins in the last 4 years.

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    For someone that is a Republican you sure hate the rich.

     
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    I'm thinking 5 @ $18M per. The Rangers offered him 3 @ $13.3 per ( .9M more than what Napoli just signed for)... (!!!).

     
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    I don't mean in Softy land but in the real world

    The real world isn't my value budget for 2013 of 100 to 120M, it's the real world of nearly a billion dollars spent on big labor and zero playoff wins in 2009, 2010, 2011 and 2012.

    And note that some idiot wants to offer Hamilton 150 million guranteed.

    And note that some idiot wants to spend more than 150M in 2013 labor costs, because it's accounted for zero playoff wins in the last 4 years.

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    For someone that is a Republican you sure hate the rich.

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    maybe he only hates the new rich, the self-made rich. Maybe he is from a Kennedy type family? 

     
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    No, rich people like that know how to spell and use proper grammar.

     
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    I see a team once again neglecting pitching and defense.... bringing in people over 30..... this is a cake I do not want a slice of as of today.

     
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    I see a team once again neglecting pitching and defense.... bringing in people over 30..... this is a cake I so not want a slice of as of today.

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    I'm starting to feel more confident that there is a plan being executed and that pitching is coming.

     
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    Updated:

    Players signed for 2013 (and beyond): We have only 9.


    Lackey       $15.25M  ($15.25M in 2014 & min wage in 2015)            Avg: ~$14M

    Papi           $14M  (plus $1M bonus & $11M for 2014)                       Avg: $13M

    Napoli       $13M (plus $13M for 2014 and 2015)                                Avg: $13M

    Lester       $11.625M ($13M in 2014 club option w/ $0.25M buyout)   Avg: $6M

    Pedroia     $10M        ($10.25M in 2014, $11M club option in 2015 w/ $0.5M B/O)  Avg: $6.75M

    Buchholtz  $5.5M  ($7.7M in '14, $12M in '15, $13M/$13.5M option in '16 & '17)     Avg: ~$7M

    Gomes       $5M    ($5M in '14)                             Avg: $5M

    D. Ross      $3.1M  ($3.1M in '14)                         Avg: $3.1M

    Iglesias     $2.063M (Then arb)                           Avg: ~$2M


    ~$81M in signed players.  (Luxury Tax -  Average Anual Value: ~$70M)



    Players with arbitration years remaining:
     Player      (2012 salary) Arb year(s) Est. 2013 salary
    Ellsbury        ($8.05M)    3 of 3    $8-10M
    A Bailey          ($3.9M)    2 of 3    $3-5M
    Saltalmacchia ($2.5M)    3 of 3   $5-7M
    C Breslow   ($1.795M)    3 of 3   $3-4M
    R Sweeney   ($1.75M)     3 of 3   $2-3M  Non Tendered
    D. Bard         ($1.613M)   2 of  4  $1.7-2M
    A Aceves          ($1.2M)    2 of 3   $2-4M
    M Aviles           ($1.2M)    2 of 3   $2-4M
    A Miller            ($1.04M)  2 of 3   $2-3M
    F Morales         ($850K)   2 of 3   $2-3M
    Rich Hill           ($725M)   3 of 3   $.8M-1M Non Tendered
    Total Est: $33M to $43M  Avg: ~$38M

    That puts our budget at about $120M, not counting pre-arb contracts and any players we will acquire.

    The Luxury Tax number is now about : ~$108M

     

    Pre-arb players (on 40 man roster):
    Middlebrooks
    de la Rosa
    Doubront
    Lavarnway
    Ciriaco
    Tazawa
    Mortensen

    Gomez

    Sands
    Nava
    Kalish
    Atchison Non Tendered
    Beato
    Melancon
    Webster

    C Carpenter

    A Wilson

    S Wright

    D Butler

    C Vazquez

    A Hassan

    After adding these "small" contract totals, My guess is we are now at:

    ~$130M

    ~$120M AAV

     

    (Remember there is an amount that must be paid to to the player pension fund that counts against the Luxury tax threshhold, so we may have about $50M or so to spend this year and still be below the line.)

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    You can take off Aviles 3m and prob Salty 6m as I think he ll be moved. That,s 9m more to spend

     
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    Moon, I'm pretty sure that Lackey's AAV remains at 16.5 million.  The Red Sox have that option for 2015 at minimum wage, but that doesn't affect the AAV because there's no assumption that they will exercise the option.  I read this a while back. 

     
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    Moon, I'm pretty sure that Lackey's AAV remains at 16.5 million.  The Red Sox have that option for 2015 at minimum wage, but that doesn't affect the AAV because there's no assumption that they will exercise the option.  I read this a while back. 

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    Good point.

     
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    Re: Sox now at 110 Million(including projected arbritation numbers)

    2nd UPdate:

     

    Players signed for 2013 (and beyond): We have only 9.


    Lackey       $15.25M  ($15.25M in 2014 & min wage in 2015)       Avg: ~$16.5M

    Papi           $14M  (plus $1M bonus & $11M for 2014)                       Avg: $13M

    Napoli       $13M (plus $13M for 2014 and 2015)                                Avg: $13M

    Lester       $11.625M ($13M in 2014 club option w/ $0.25M buyout)   Avg: $6M

    Pedroia     $10M        ($10.25M in 2014, $11M club option in 2015 w/ $0.5M B/O)  Avg: $6.75M

    Buchholtz  $5.5M  ($7.7M in '14, $12M in '15, $13M/$13.5M option in '16 & '17)     Avg: ~$7M

    Gomes       $5M    ($5M in '14)                             Avg: $5M

    D. Ross      $3.1M  ($3.1M in '14)                         Avg: $3.1M

    Iglesias     $2.063M (Then arb)                           Avg: ~$2M


    ~$84M in signed players.  (Luxury Tax -  Average Anual Value: ~$73M)



    Players with arbitration years remaining:
     Player      (2012 salary) Arb year(s) Est. 2013 salary
    Ellsbury        ($8.05M)    3 of 3    $8-10M
    A Bailey          ($3.9M)    2 of 3    $3-5M
    Saltalmacchia ($2.5M)    3 of 3   $5-7M
    C Breslow   ($1.795M)    3 of 3   $3-4M
    R Sweeney   ($1.75M)     3 of 3   $2-3M  Non Tendered
    D. Bard         ($1.613M)   2 of  4  $1.7-2M
    A Aceves          ($1.2M)    2 of 3   $2-4M
    M Aviles           ($1.2M)    2 of 3   $2-4M
    A Miller            ($1.04M)  2 of 3   $2-3M
    F Morales         ($850K)   2 of 3   $2-3M
    Rich Hill           ($725M)   3 of 3   $.8M-1M Non Tendered
    Total Est: $33M to $43M  Avg: ~$38M

    That puts our budget at about $120M, not counting pre-arb contracts and any players we will acquire.

    The Luxury Tax number is now about : ~$108M

     

    Pre-arb players (on 40 man roster):
    Middlebrooks
    de la Rosa
    Doubront
    Lavarnway
    Ciriaco
    Tazawa
    Mortensen

    Gomez

    Sands
    Nava
    Kalish
    Atchison Non Tendered
    Beato
    Melancon
    Webster

    C Carpenter

    A Wilson

    S Wright

    D Butler

    C Vazquez

    A Hassan

    After adding these "small" contract totals, My guess is we are now at:

    ~$130M

    ~$120M AAV

     

    (Remember there is an amount that must be paid to to the player pension fund that counts against the Luxury tax threshhold, so we may have about $50M or so to spend this year and still be below the line.)

     
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    Re: Sox now at 110 Million(including projected arbritation numbers)

    You can take off Aviles 3m and prob Salty 6m as I think he ll be moved. That,s 9m more to spend

    OK, I took off Aviles and added the same amount of money to Lackey's deal making us even.

    Until we trade Salty, these are the numbers. We could trade Lava instead.

     
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    Pretty amazing that we only have 3 players signed for over an average yearly salary of $7M. (Lackey, Papi & Naps)

     
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    Pretty amazing that we only have 3 players signed for over an average yearly salary of $7M. (Lackey, Papi & Naps)

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    I think the folks here who are down on BC right now will change their tune in the future. Well, at least some of them...

    Now, on to some pitching and OF...

     
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    Pretty amazing that we only have 3 players signed for over an average yearly salary of $7M. (Lackey, Papi & Naps)

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    I think the folks here who are down on BC right now will change their tune in the future. Well, at least some of them...

    Now, on to some pitching and OF...

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    Reports are that the sox are in on Brandon Mccarthy, No word yet on what exactly McCarthy might be looking for or what the red sox are willing to offer.

     
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    Isn't the Dodgers payroll over $180 million right now?

     

     
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    Pretty amazing that we only have 3 players signed for over an average yearly salary of $7M. (Lackey, Papi & Naps)

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    I think the folks here who are down on BC right now will change their tune in the future. Well, at least some of them...

    Now, on to some pitching and OF...

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    Reports are that the sox are in on Brandon Mccarthy, No word yet on what exactly McCarthy might be looking for or what the red sox are willing to offer.

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    Please, let it be so.

     
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    Isn't the Dodgers payroll over $180 million right now?

     

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    pretty close, plus they REALLLLLLLY want grienke, i have a buddy who lives in LA and is a dodgers fan and he says everyone going crazy over them landing grienke. plus they spend 23M in a bid for that korean pitcher. and they have to resign kershaw in 2 years. money is not a problem for them lol they got (or are getting) a new TV deal which will essentially allow them to sign whoever they want

     
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    Isn't the Dodgers payroll over $180 million right now?

     

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    pretty close, plus they REALLLLLLLY want grienke, i have a buddy who lives in LA and is a dodgers fan and he says everyone going crazy over them landing grienke. plus they spend 23M in a bid for that korean pitcher. and they have to resign kershaw in 2 years. money is not a problem for them lol they got (or are getting) a new TV deal which will essentially allow them to sign whoever they want

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    softy should become a Dodger fan.

     
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    Isn't the Dodgers payroll over $180 million right now?

     

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    pretty close, plus they REALLLLLLLY want grienke, i have a buddy who lives in LA and is a dodgers fan and he says everyone going crazy over them landing grienke. plus they spend 23M in a bid for that korean pitcher. and they have to resign kershaw in 2 years. money is not a problem for them lol they got (or are getting) a new TV deal which will essentially allow them to sign whoever they want

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    softy should become a Dodger fan.

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    nah, small market is where softy belongs with all those 1-2 million offers

     
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    Isn't the Dodgers payroll over $180 million right now?

     

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    pretty close, plus they REALLLLLLLY want grienke, i have a buddy who lives in LA and is a dodgers fan and he says everyone going crazy over them landing grienke. plus they spend 23M in a bid for that korean pitcher. and they have to resign kershaw in 2 years. money is not a problem for them lol they got (or are getting) a new TV deal which will essentially allow them to sign whoever they want

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    softy should become a Dodger fan.

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    nah, small market is where softy belongs with all those 1-2 million offers

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    He still thinks the Marlins are the "model small market team", so there you go...

     
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    Isn't the Dodgers payroll over $180 million right now?

     

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    pretty close, plus they REALLLLLLLY want grienke, i have a buddy who lives in LA and is a dodgers fan and he says everyone going crazy over them landing grienke. plus they spend 23M in a bid for that korean pitcher. and they have to resign kershaw in 2 years. money is not a problem for them lol they got (or are getting) a new TV deal which will essentially allow them to sign whoever they want

    [/QUOTE]

    softy should become a Dodger fan.

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    nah, small market is where softy belongs with all those 1-2 million offers

    [/QUOTE]

    He still thinks the Marlins are the "model small market team", so there you go...

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    the marlins are a wanna-be big market team. they spend big and then have a firesale a year later! a GREAT way to do business

     
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    Isn't the Dodgers payroll over $180 million right now?

     

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    pretty close, plus they REALLLLLLLY want grienke, i have a buddy who lives in LA and is a dodgers fan and he says everyone going crazy over them landing grienke. plus they spend 23M in a bid for that korean pitcher. and they have to resign kershaw in 2 years. money is not a problem for them lol they got (or are getting) a new TV deal which will essentially allow them to sign whoever they want

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    softy should become a Dodger fan.

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    nah, small market is where softy belongs with all those 1-2 million offers

    [/QUOTE]

    He still thinks the Marlins are the "model small market team", so there you go...

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    the marlins are a wanna-be big market team. they spend big and then have a firesale a year later! a GREAT way to do business

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    But because they have 2 rings, softy claims they are "the small market model", even though they are not a small market or a good model.

     
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    It is too bad we can't still edit thread titles then we could keep the number updated. 

     
  24. You have chosen to ignore posts from moonslav59. Show moonslav59's posts

    Re: Sox now at 110 Million(including projected arbritation numbers)

    You mean like every 5 minutes.

     
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    Re: Sox now at 110 Million(including projected arbritation numbers)

    buster olney sais BC had the groundwork laid out for a deal that would send big numbah 2 out of town :(

    doesn't specify which team or who we are getting back. i will be upset if we do not get a ToR guy in return..

     
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