Sox place five on two Top 50 prospect lists

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    Sox place five on two Top 50 prospect lists

    The Red Sox placed three -- Matt Barnes at No. 18, Allen Webster at No. 40 and Henry Owens at No. 49 on John Sickels' preliminary list of Top 50 pitching prospects:

    http://www.minorleagueball.com/2012/10/8/3474586/preliminary-top-50-pitching-prospects-list-for-2013

    ... and another two -- Xander Bogaerts at No. 4 and Jackie Bradley at No. 24 -- on Sickels' corresponding list of hitting prospects:

    http://www.minorleagueball.com/2012/10/8/3474442/preliminary-top-50-hitting-prospects-for-2013

     
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    Re: Sox place five on two Top 50 prospect lists

    Sox farm system is looking good IMO. The kids weve been talking about for a couple years are starting to show that they are the real deal. Starting in 2014 there could be a steady flow of names making their way to Boston.

     

     
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    Surprised Brentz didn't make the list...

     
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    So, Hill, does this change your mind about our ability to make some trades ofdfering some top prospects? (Previously, you tended to minimize the strength of the Sox farm system.)

     
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    Hm. Surprised De La Rosa goes unmentioned. I'd put him at, or above Webster, and certainly ahead of Owens. Splitting hairs I know.

    At any rate, it's looking good. Now, looking at this just reinforces my belief that 2013 should be an "assessment" year (I know how 'bridge' years are viewed around here, so I'm trying out different words). Shallow FA pool, and lots of youngsters working their way up.

    Plus: Middlebrooks, Kalish, Saltalamacchia, Lavarnway, Bard, Doubront, Melancon, Bailey, and Tazawa. The Sox need to know what they have in these guys, all who are on the younger side, or flat-out young.

    I'd look at dealing Ellsbury for a few more prospects this winter, and REALLY stockpile talent for a team that may not be ready for a few years, but then could be set up for a decade of solid contention.

     
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    There are 30 MLB teams and we have 3 of the top 24 prospects. I'm not sure if I ever remember us being that loaded.

     
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    But, if 2/3 of them actually pan out, that would be amazing.

    Andy Marte was once the #1 prospect in baseball when the Sox traded him for Crisp, and he's barely a major leaguer right now.

     
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    But Allen Webster is a farm scrap.  De la Rosa is also a farm scrap (he's only not on this list because he no longer qualifies as a prospect)


    Farm scraps!

     
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    Re: Sox place five on two Top 50 prospect lists

    There are 30 MLB teams and we have 3 of the top 24 prospects. I'm not sure if I ever remember us being that loaded.

    John Sickels released TWO lists, one for pitchers and one for hitters, so the Red Sox have roughly three of the top 48 prospects (if pitchers and hitters are evenly distributed). In contrast, Seattle has six in roughly the top 50 (and seven overall) with pitchers at No. 7, No. 17, No. 25 and No. 44 and hitters at No. 8, No. 16 and No. 25.

    So, Hill, does this change your mind about our ability to make some trades ofdfering some top prospects? (Previously, you tended to minimize the strength of the Sox farm

    The Sickels rankings suggest that the Red Sox could have the prospects to pull off a major trade, but the question remains whether the Sox should trade prospects for a single piece. In the 2010-11 offseason, Boston was perhaps only one piece away from fielding a potential championship team when the Sox traded top prospects for Adrian Gonzalez. The Sox now are probably more than one piece away after the departures of Gonzalez, Jonathan Papelbon, Kevin Youkilis, Carl Crawford, Josh Beckett, J.D. Drew, Marco Scutaro, Daisuke Matsuzaka, Tim Wakefield, Jason Varitek and potentially David Ortiz.

     
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    In response to Yonkersman's comment:

    My Yankees are letting Swisher go and we'll be glad to take Ellsbury off your hands.


    I wouldn't mind an Ellsbury for Betances and Banuelos trade...

     
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    In response to carnie's comment:

    In response to Yonkersman's comment:

    My Yankees are letting Swisher go and we'll be glad to take Ellsbury off your hands.



    I wouldn't mind an Ellsbury for Betances and Banuelos trade...

     

    http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/yankees/post/_/id/44700/betances-to-60-day-dl-gardner-not-yet


    http://espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/story/_/id/8452981/new-york-yankees-prospect-manny-banuelos-needs-tommy-john-surgery

     
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    Re: Sox place five on two Top 50 prospect lists

    In response to southpaw777's comment:

    In response to carnie's comment:

    In response to Yonkersman's comment:

    My Yankees are letting Swisher go and we'll be glad to take Ellsbury off your hands.



    I wouldn't mind an Ellsbury for Betances and Banuelos trade...

     

    http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/yankees/post/_/id/44700/betances-to-60-day-dl-gardner-not-yet


    http://espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/story/_/id/8452981/new-york-yankees-prospect-manny-banuelos-needs-tommy-john-surgery




    Didn't know that...

     
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    Re: Sox place five on two Top 50 prospect lists

    There are 30 MLB teams and we have 3 of the top 24 prospects. I'm not sure if I ever remember us being that loaded.

    John Sickels released TWO lists, one for pitchers and one for hitters, so the Red Sox have roughly three of the top 48 prospects (if pitchers and hitters are evenly distributed). In contrast, Seattle has six in roughly the top 50 (and seven overall) with pitchers at No. 7, No. 17, No. 25 and No. 44 and hitters at No. 8, No. 16 and No. 25.

    Right, thanks for correcting me. Still, 3 of the top 48 or so is about the best I have seen since becomming a Sox fan in the erly 70's.

     

    So, Hill, does this change your mind about our ability to make some trades ofdfering some top prospects? (Previously, you tended to minimize the strength of the Sox farm

    The Sickels rankings suggest that the Red Sox could have the prospects to pull off a major trade, but the question remains whether the Sox should trade prospects for a single piece. In the 2010-11 offseason, Boston was perhaps only one piece away from fielding a potential championship team when the Sox traded top prospects for Adrian Gonzalez. The Sox now are probably more than one piece away after the departures of Gonzalez, Jonathan Papelbon, Kevin Youkilis, Carl Crawford, Josh Beckett, J.D. Drew, Marco Scutaro, Daisuke Matsuzaka, Jason Varitek and potentially David Ortiz.

    I hope we don't trade all 3 for 1 guy either, not even King Felix.

    (I hope you didn't take my question in an acusatory manner. I have always respected your opinions as being objective and with consistent criteria.)

    I think we may see some other services place Cecchini in the top 100 and maybe even Brentz or Swihart.

    I also think our deep 2012 draft will produce some top 100 players next year.

     
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    I wouldn't mind an Ellsbury for Betances and Banuelos trade...

     

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    http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/yankees/post/_/id/44700/betances-to-60-day-dl-gardner-not-yet


    http://espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/story/_/id/8452981/new-york-yankees-prospect-manny-banuelos-needs-tommy-john-surgery

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    Didn't know that...

     

    How about Ellsbury for Sergio Romo & Hector Sanchez?

    (Then deal away Lava or Salty)

     
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    Re: Sox place five on two Top 50 prospect lists

    In response to moonslav59's comment:

    There are 30 MLB teams and we have 3 of the top 24 prospects. I'm not sure if I ever remember us being that loaded.

    John Sickels released TWO lists, one for pitchers and one for hitters, so the Red Sox have roughly three of the top 48 prospects (if pitchers and hitters are evenly distributed). In contrast, Seattle has six in roughly the top 50 (and seven overall) with pitchers at No. 7, No. 17, No. 25 and No. 44 and hitters at No. 8, No. 16 and No. 25.

    Right, thanks for correcting me. Still, 3 of the top 48 or so is about the best I have seen since becomming a Sox fan in the erly 70's. 

    So, Hill, does this change your mind about our ability to make some trades ofdfering some top prospects? (Previously, you tended to minimize the strength of the Sox farm

    The Sickels rankings suggest that the Red Sox could have the prospects to pull off a major trade, but the question remains whether the Sox should trade prospects for a single piece. In the 2010-11 offseason, Boston was perhaps only one piece away from fielding a potential championship team when the Sox traded top prospects for Adrian Gonzalez. The Sox now are probably more than one piece away after the departures of Gonzalez, Jonathan Papelbon, Kevin Youkilis, Carl Crawford, Josh Beckett, J.D. Drew, Marco Scutaro, Daisuke Matsuzaka, Jason Varitek and potentially David Ortiz.

    I hope we don't trade all 3 for 1 guy either, not even King Felix.

    (I hope you didn't take my question in an acusatory manner. I have always respected your opinions as being objective and with consistent criteria.)

    I think we may see some other services place Cecchini in the top 100 and maybe even Brentz or Swihart.

    I also think our deep 2012 draft will produce some top 100 players next year.

    Moon, I by no means took your question in an accusatory manner. Despite our frequent difference of opinions, your civil* and thoughtful contributions to the discussions keep bringing me back to the forum.

    * your acrimonious exchanges with softlaw notwithstanding ;-)

     
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    Re: Sox place five on two Top 50 prospect lists

    In response to moonslav59's comment:

    I wouldn't mind an Ellsbury for Betances and Banuelos trade...

     

    http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/yankees/post/_/id/44700/betances-to-60-day-dl-gardner-not-yet


    http://espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/story/_/id/8452981/new-york-yankees-prospect-manny-banuelos-needs-tommy-john-surgery




    Didn't know that...

     

    How about Ellsbury for Sergio Romo & Hector Sanchez?

    (Then deal away Lava or Salty)




I was actually just having some fun with a Yanks fan. He brought up Ells so I threw a trade out there I thought would be totally unrealistic. I'm thinking we're probably better off signing a FA starter in January, play Ells in his contract year and take the draft pick, unless the Reds think they absolutely have to have Ellsbury next year.

 
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    odds say none of them will pan out to be above average MLB player.  well, maybe 1. 

     
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    .....which is why the accumulation of draft picks and the tactical trading of spare parts for even B-level prospects is such a key, and successful, strategy.  It's largely a numbers game with prospects, entirely a numbers game outside the first 5-10 picks (and in baseball even they are rarely (perceived) slam dunks as often as they are in the other 2 major sports (and ice hockey)).

     
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    In response to slasher9's comment:

    odds say none of them will pan out to be above average MLB player.  well, maybe 1. 



    And what did you base your analysis on?  Don't most top-10 propsects become above-average players, not to mention top 4?

     
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    Re: Sox place five on two Top 50 prospect lists

    In response to hill55's comment:

    The Red Sox placed three -- Matt Barnes at No. 18, Allen Webster at No. 40 and Henry Owens at No. 49 on John Sickels' preliminary list of Top 50 pitching prospects:

    http://www.minorleagueball.com/2012/10/8/3474586/preliminary-top-50-pitching-prospects-list-for-2013

    ... and another two -- Xander Bogaerts at No. 4 and Jackie Bradley at No. 24 -- on Sickels' corresponding list of hitting prospects:

    http://www.minorleagueball.com/2012/10/8/3474442/preliminary-top-50-hitting-prospects-for-2013



    Thanks for the heads-up.  I don't remember us ever having the #4 prospect.

     
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    In response to SonicsMonksLyresVicars' comment:

    .....which is why the accumulation of draft picks and the tactical trading of spare parts for even B-level prospects is such a key, and successful, strategy.  It's largely a numbers game with prospects, entirely a numbers game outside the first 5-10 picks (and in baseball even they are rarely (perceived) slam dunks as often as they are in the other 2 major sports (and ice hockey)).




    I think what is nice about ther Sox farm system is that we have a good number of top prospects, some that are close and more that are in the lower farm levels but look promising. We are also balanced by positions, including pitching- something new for this team since maybe Hurst, Tudor and Ojeda.

    We have some young post-prospects, ML ready or near ML ready prospects, and far away but very promising prospects in the mix... (Note: some may change positions before they make it to the bigs.)

                "The core"              Prospects/Post Prospects        Down the Road  

    SP:Lester (28) Doubront (24) Barnes (22) Britton (23) Owens (20) Buttrey (19)

       Buch (27)  Webster (22) Workman (24) B Johnson (21) Light (21) Montas(19)

       Morales (26) de la Rosa (23) Ranaudo(23) Ramirez (22) Callahan (18)

       Lackey (33) Wright (28) Stewart (25)  Pimental (22) Mercedes

                                                                                                                                          

    RP: Bailey (28) Tazawa (26)

           Aceves (29) Miller (27) 

          Breslow (31) Mortensen (27) Wilson (24)

          Atchison (36) Melancon (27) Carpenter (26) Fields (24)

          Hill (32) Bard (27) Beato (25)

    C:      Salty (27)          Lava (24)    Butler (27)      Vazquez (22) Swihart (21)

    1B:             M. Gomez (27) Sands (25)   T Shaw (22)

    2B:  Pedey (28)           DeJesus (25)                                                 Coyle (20)

    3B:             Middlebrooks (23) Valencia (27)    Vitek (23)               Cecchini (21)

    SS: Aviles (31) Ciri.(26) Iggy (22) Bogaerts (20) Marrero (22) Vinicio (21) Lin (18)

    LF: Nava (29)    Linares (28)           Hazelbaker (25)      Jacobs (21) Margot (18)

    CF: Ellsbury (28)    Lin (24)                     Bradley (22) de la Cruz (20)

    RF: Sweeney (27) Kalish (24)                 Brentz (23) Hassan (24)

     

     

     
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    Re: Sox place five on two Top 50 prospect lists

    The Red Sox were well-represented on Baseball America's list of Top 20 Carolina League prospects:

    http://www.minorleagueball.com/2012/10/5/3460156/bas-top-20-carolina-league-prospects

    ... but not so much on BA's lists of Top 20 prospects in the International League, the Eastern League and the South Atlantic League:

    http://www.minorleagueball.com/2012/10/12/3493170/bas-top-20-international-league-prospects

    http://www.minorleagueball.com/2012/10/9/3478584/bas-top-20-eastern-league-prospects

    http://www.minorleagueball.com/2012/10/3/3449352/bas-top-20-sally-league-prospects

     
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    Re: Sox place five on two Top 50 prospect lists

    In response to hill55's comment:

    The Red Sox were well-represented on Baseball America's list of Top 20 Carolina League prospects:

    http://www.minorleagueball.com/2012/10/5/3460156/bas-top-20-carolina-league-prospects

    ... but not so much on BA's lists of Top 20 prospects in the International League, the Eastern League and the South Atlantic League:

    http://www.minorleagueball.com/2012/10/12/3493170/bas-top-20-international-league-prospects

    2 of the top 11 is not "so much"?

    http://www.minorleagueball.com/2012/10/9/3478584/bas-top-20-eastern-league-prospects

    http://www.minorleagueball.com/2012/10/3/3449352/bas-top-20-sally-league-prospects

    2 of top 17 is not bad.




     
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