Re: Sox Rotation and Wakefield
posted at 8/27/2011 8:01 PM EDT
moon - You can defend him all you can by statistically, etc, but the bottom line is he's not helping the team. And as I pointed out to you yesterday, look at the HR/IP. Tim Wakefield is at 1.5 HR/9 IP. Miller is at a lot less. It's hard to work out of a jam when you give up a HR.
Are you seriously saying that HR/9 is the most important stat in making decisions?
I'm tired of people not liking a player, looking at his stats, and choosing the worst stat and then pretending it is the most important one.
I'm not saying Wake deserves to start over Wake now, but only that his 2011 numbers are better than Lackey, and all but HR/9 and ERA are better than Miller.
The bottom line is that his quest for 200 needs to be put on the back burner. Miller should be in the rotation.
The "quest" should never have been a priority. Wahe had deserved to start until recently. Guys like softy have been calling for Wake to be taken out of the roation everyday. After 16 starts, the team was 11-5 in his starts. He was wrong for 16 games, and now after a few bad starts, suddenly he was right all along?
And lastly, your comment about Miller not facing a Top 12 offense until 2 days ago...well, how did he do against that offense and how did Wakefield do against the A's one of the worst in the league?
Again, you are judging on one start? Do you really think every pitcher should be yanked from the rotation after a bad start vs a poor offensive team?
I love the way Miller looked vs Texas. He pitched a great game. My point about bringing up his strength of opponents was to emphasize that when you compare Miller's 2011 numbers to Wake's 2011 numbers a context is needed. Wake faced much harder offensive opponents over this season than Miller. To me, that matters. To you, all that matters is the last start.
Don't become like softy and follow his bashging trail.
First (2008), he said Wake's WHIP was too high. He actually used to value WHIP more than ERA, until he realized it severely hurt his "Wake stinks" argument. Now, he never uses WHIP to bash or judge.
Later, he said Wake walks way too many batters. When confronted with the fact that he has walked less batters per 9 IP (2.3) than any other Sox starter from 2010-2011. (Softy's Wake bashing timeframe of choice) Now, he never uses BB/9 to bash or judge.
Then, he went after the fact that Wake allowed runners to steal bases too easily (this fater saying SBs are over-rated in the Jake debate). Fact is, Wake has the lowest SB% against than any other Sox starter this year. Now, he never uses SB% to bash or judge.
Afterwards, he said Wake has gotten worse as he aged. When confronted with the fact that Wake's worst years were from ages 29-33 (the normal prime years). Crickets. He got better afterwards, not worse. When confronted with the fact that his best 50 start stretch of his career came after age 41, YES, AFTER AGE 41, softy clings to one stat: ERA since Wake's back surgery. (Remember, softy wanted Wake to retire or be DFA'd before that 50 start strecth of very good pitching (2008 to mid 2009.
Following this botched approach, softy challeneged me to find other MLB starters with 5.00+ ERA that are still around. His argument being that teams cut all starters with ERAs over 5 for 2 years combined. I found and posted the list of 33 such starters. (about one per team) He never even responded to my response to his challenge. I then went further, and showed how almost every team that has gone to the World Series since 2004, has had one or more of their top 5 starters (by games started) on their roster. Again, crickets...
One argument he has stuck with right from day one (the day after the 2007 season that Wake went 17-12), is that Wake has prevented great young prospects from getting a chance to prove themselves. Well, like I said, from 2008-mid 2009, Wake (as our 5th starter) pitched like a 2/3 starter and held nobody back. If anybody did, it was Penny, Smoltz, Colon, Byrd, Dice-K among others. After mid -2009, I asked "who did he hold back?" Crickets. This spring, softy answered: "Doubront" when he was on the DL. He also said, "Miller" at the time he had almost as many BBs as IP in AAA. After Theo called up Weiland, he said "Weiland". Weiland only started 2 games: one good: one very bad. Again, Wake has not been the 5th or worse than 5th starter this year, Lackey, Miller, Aceves, and Weiland have been. He really thinks the Sox have this magical great prospect being held back. If that's true, why did we go get Bedard?
It's come down to this for data:
Flopping Old Man.
Good Ole Boy.
ERA over 5.00 since mid 2009.
Bashing, hating, lying, distorting, gloating his revisionist positions, and utter idiocy.