Sox Rotation and Wakefield

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    I have a lot of differences with Burrito, but he doesn't get to me like he seems to get to you.
     
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    Then use Miller's 2 plus year ERA


    Miller is in his 20's. Wakefield is in his 40's, you dimwit!!!!!!!!!!

    I never said release Wastefield before 2010!

    You weren't fine with Miller starting over Wakefield, you only said that because Wastefield had his booster seat start in Oakland and was still in rotation.

    Give up your Wakefield nonsense! The guy stinks!
     
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    [QUOTE]I have a lot of differences with Burrito, but he doesn't get to me like he seems to get to you.
    Posted by moonslav59[/QUOTE]

    It's not the differences with him that bother me. It's the baiting, misrepresentation, cheap shots. I'll talk baseball with anybody who's interested in a legit discussion.
     
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    So, his stats don't count?

    Ellsbury's in his 20's and you keep saying he will revert to his career norm. Miller has 64 career starts. Tell us why there's a difference (beyond your hate meter scale differential)?

    Tell us why you thought Miller would do better than Wake in May? Did you see his AAA numbers at the time?

    Tell us why you wanted Douby to start instead of Wake while he was on the DL? (Talking of dimwits)

    Tell us why you think Lackey is better than Wake. Why doesn't his ERA count? 

    Tell us why you hate good ole boy Wake, but bend over backwards to defend Drew.

    Tell us about how fat Beckett is again.
    Tell us why you want BHall back.
    Tell us why you wanted jake as the 4th OF'er and Cam the FT CF'er.
    Tell us why Wake didn't get hurt after 5 games like you predicted.
    Tell us why VTek has the 16th best catcher OPS, and you want him removed as out back-up catcher.
    Tell us again about your plan to demote Papi to AAA.
    Tell us again how Jake will never have a .335+ OBP over a full season.
    Tell why Jake would have 5-7 more HRs if he played LF not CF.
    Tell us how you came up with 43% more meatballs for jake.

    Forget it, Don't tell us why. We already know.

    Get out the softy hate meter and everything becomes crystal clear.
     
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    So, his stats don't count?

    Yes, Wastefields 5 plus ERA for over 2 years count. Miller is in his 20's and does not play a position. Wastefield in his mid 40s. YOu were wrong about Miller, and quite wrong about Wastefield. Will you cry if Miller puts the old bald guy on the bench. 

    Ellsbury's in his 20's and you keep saying he will revert to his career norm. Miller has 64 career starts. Tell us why there's a difference (beyond your hate meter scale differential)?

    Young Pitcher

    Tell us why you thought Miller would do better than Wake in May? Did you see his AAA numbers at the time?

    Yes, I saw them. Did you see Wastefield's MLB numbers over the last 2 years. AAA and MLB are not cause and effect.
    Tell us why you wanted Douby to start instead of Wake while he was on the DL? (Talking of dimwits)

    I wanted Douby to start when he came off DL
    Tell us why you think Lackey is better than Wake. Why doesn't his ERA count?

    Unlike you, I said not to sign Lackey to a wheelchair contract. But, Lackey's ERA over 2 years is better than Wastefield and it counts. 

    Are you saying you want Wakefield to start over Lackey, in playoffs? Yes you are! Idiot!  
    Tell us why you hate good ole boy Wake, but bend over backwards to defend Drew.

    I dont hate Wastefield. Haters are only those who say homosexual conduct is immoral. Haters are those who say Obama ideology is socialist. Drew isn't 45 and getting a booster seat to break a meaningless PR record. 
    Tell us about how fat Beckett is again.

    Pretty clear that the embarrassment for Beckett 2010 has him in better shape in 2011. It worked.

    Tell us why you want BHall back.

    Bill Hall UIF/OF saved having Lowrie and Mac and Aviles/Sutton and a roster spot. Tell us why Hermida was a great pick-up instead of the dumpster bum I said he was. Because he is white, of course.
    Tell us why you wanted jake as the 4th OF'er and Cam the FT CF'er.

    Platoon with Crawford and Ellsbury and Drew. Look at Ellsbury v. lhp. Goodness, you wanted Ortiz benched v. lp in 2011!!!!!   

    Tell us why Wake didn't get hurt after 5 games like you predicted.

    If he isnt hurt, Id hate to see him healthy. He stinks!
    Tell us why VTek has the 16th best catcher OPS, and you want him removed as out back-up catcher.

    Defense stinks and 16th best does not overide it. I dont believe in voodoo for the old womanizer.

    Tell us again about your plan to demote Papi to AAA.

    No demotion. Instead of your plan to release him if he didnt turn it around by end of May, which means you would have released him, I was correct that a typical injury rehab DL would help him regain confidence and get him away from the racist Boston media and racist fans like you.
    Tell us again how Jake will never have a .335+ OBP over a full season.

    Never said that. Said OBP career average would be lucky to be over .350, and it will be. I said career year would be lucky to be .360 OBP.

    Tell why Jake would have 5-7 more HRs if he played LF not CF.

    Quite true 2010, had he not cried to Scott Boras. AGon might help you hit more homers.

    Tell us how you came up with 43% more meatballs for jake.

    Pitch location research.

    Forget it, Don't tell us why. We already know.

    Get out the softy hate meter and everything becomes crystal clear

    Get out the Moonslow board bully meter, and it becomes crystal clear why a flailing pitiful defense of Wakefield and Twins can't afford Mauer is the propaganda of this site.
     
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    A final observation the Fenway Park phenomena is the fact that for years the Red Sox de-emphasized and often ignored the value of left-handing pitching because of their ballpark.   Guys like Ruth, the pitcher, Lefty Grove, Mel Parnell, Bill Lee, Bruce Hurst and now Jon Lester proved time and again that lefties could succeed not only at Fenway during the regular season, but as importantly during the postseason.  The Chicago Cubs did the same even to a greater extreme which is a primary reason why they have been and continue to be the least accomplished franchise of the original 16 in the modern history of the sport.  While the Sox did not have a left-handed starter during the 2004 regular season, they had Tim Wakefied whom I believe was the equivalent of a lefty who simply throws the baseballl with his right arm.  Through the years several switch hitters chose to bat from the right side against him to improve their chances of hitting the knuckler.  They were right to do so. 
     
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    [QUOTE]The same clowns who judge by one game. 2 plus years of an ERA over 5 is not a one game sample!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Then use Miller's 2 plus year ERA clown !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Do you guys really think Weiland has a better chance at pitching well than Wake? According to you and fellow board bully Harnut, Miller was not good and should still be mopping up and lefty one batter in the pen. According to you, Wake should have retired before 2008's masterful season, again before his allstar 2009 season, and before 2010 and 2011. I was not against Miller starting in Texas.  I was against Miller starting in April when you wanted him here. The same April where Miller was being killed in AAA. I was against Miller taking Wake's slot, but not that of our injured starters or of Weiland or even Lackey. As of now, it is still a close call to me. I have said Wake needs a break, and now is OK with me. Weiland has a better chance of pitching better than Wakefield over a bigger sample, no doubt about it. His last start was quite decent, and he only had 2 starts with one being part of the O's bean ball feud. One game sample sizes equals "no doubt about it"? Silly clown! The point is that invest innings in Miller, Weiland and other farm youth and dividends will come from one or more of them. Wakefield has had his day and should have retired at the end of 2009. You are lying in claiming I wanted him gone before then. But I want him gone now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You said it after 2007. Stop your blatant lies. You said it again after 2008. You keep saying "other farm youth". My God! If we had anybody capable of helping, they;d have got a shot this year. There's nobody ready. Even Weiland was rushed. Miller may not have even gotten a chance if his contract diodn't have the out clause. Miller has been handed a golden path. He has faced a top 12 offense only once. A point you loved to make about Wake, but in Wake's case, he actually faced better opps than you gave him credit for (another of your misinformation campaigns). Stop comparing Wake to an ace. He's a 6th starter who did a very good job in the role until his last 2 starts. Please look at Wake's 17 starts since becoming a regular on May 22nd. He has the most GS and IP of any Sox starter since then. (BTW, our pen owes a lot to Wake.) Red: OK to very good Black: Not bad Blue: Bad to horrible IP  ER  H+BB 6.2  1   4 7.0  2   7 6.0   4   8 5.1  5   8 7.0  1    9 8.0  3   4 6.0  5  11 5.1   5  11 7.0  3   10 4.2   3  11 6.1   7   11 7.0  3    5 6.2  3    7 7.0  3    8 8.0  4   11 5.1  4    9 4.0  4   10
    Posted by moonslav59[/QUOTE]

    moon - I understand that unearned runs are cause by the defense, but the there are a lot of unearned runs behind Wakefield. Why? His knuckler and the fact that there are passed balls, and then after the passed balls, a lof of unearned runs due to additonal hits, home runs, etc.

    Even if the runs are unearned, Wakefield continues to give up hits and home runs. Case in point, Friday night. Yes, the inning should have been over, but Wakefield let the game get out of hand by giving up 4 additonal runs.  He still gave up the hits.

    Another reason for the unearned runs? He doesn't strike out a lot of guys so there are more balls put into play.

    Tim Wakefield has been fabulous at what he does, but for the future of the Red Sox, both this year and next year, Andrew Miller should be starting over Tim Wakefield.

    I really how you highlight only the earned runs.  Even with the Lowrie error on Friday, if Wakefield had gotten the guys out after the third out being recorded, the game would not have gotten out of hand.
     
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    I think you need to see Miller can do it in the bullpen. He could be huge in the playoffs in that role, you really should find out that before the ALDS.
     
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    Moon - I'm still waiting for my answer... Wake or Miller for the remainder of the starts...choose one and one only -
     
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    So, his stats don't count? 

    Yes, Wastefields 5 plus ERA for over 2 years count. Miller is in his 20's and does not play a position. Wastefield in his mid 40s. YOu were wrong about Miller, and quite wrong about Wastefield. Will you cry if Miller puts the old bald guy on the bench

    You never answer the questions. Miller had 60 MLB starts. His numbers were awful. You don't think they should count? He's had 3 good starts after his first 60. Now, suddenly he is great.

    Ellsbury's in his 20's and you keep saying he will revert to his career norm. Miller has 64 career starts. Tell us why there's a difference (beyond your hate meter scale differential)?

    Young Pitcher

    Again, not an answer.

    Tell us why you thought Miller would do better than Wake in May? Did you see his AAA numbers at the time?

    Yes, I saw them. Did you see Wastefield's MLB numbers over the last 2 years. AAA and MLB are not cause and effect.

    Lie. Tell us what his stats were. Last early May you said he was doing well and deserved a chance over Wake. He was awful and Wake and the team won 11 of his first 16 starts.

    Tell us why you wanted Douby to start instead of Wake while he was on the DL? (Talking of dimwits)

    I wanted Douby to start when he came off DL

    Another lie. When I asked you who is rady to start "now" instead of Wake, you said "Doubront". You didn't even know he was on the DL at the time. You even defended the choice for weeks even after we pointed out he was on the DL and afterwards, he has not been sharp enough to be called up anyways. You are totally clueless on this one, but at least you actually answered a question.

    Tell us why you think Lackey is better than Wake. Why doesn't his ERA count?

    Unlike you, I said not to sign Lackey to a wheelchair contract. But, Lackey's ERA over 2 years is better than Wastefield and it counts. 

    Lie after lie. You said "The Lackey signing was fine and necessary, except if was a year too long". You later even backed off the "year too long" part when you found out there was a medical release clause for the last year. I provided your direct quotes, and you lie right in the face of clear evidence. If Wake and Lackey's 2 year ERA counts, then so should Miller's. By the way, when you were arguing Wake should be replaced and not Lackey a month ago, Wake's 2 year ERA was better than Lackey's.

    Are you saying you want Wakefield to start over Lackey, in playoffs? Yes you are! Idiot!  

    No, I never ever said Wake should start in the playoffs, or even right now. I called for him to be rested 2 weeks ago. (As it turned out, I was spot on with the timing). All I did was list the starter numbers, sincde it the very numbers you use to "prove" Wake should sit. I said, "going by just the numbers, Wake is not the 6th worst healthy starter". That is not the same as saying "I think he should start now". It is far far away from saying "I think he should start in the playoffs". Lying has become such a habit with you, you can't even get one fact right anymore. 

    Tell us why you hate good ole boy Wake, but bend over backwards to defend Drew.

    I dont hate Wastefield. Haters are only those who say homosexual conduct is immoral.

    This is a perfect example of how your twisted logic works. Just because the pro-gay crowd uses the word "hate" doesn't mean they changed the meaning of the word and nobody else can use it anymore. You have called wake fat, beckett fat, Theo a racist, us posters racist, ellsbury all kinds of nasty stuff. You hated on Mikey, VTek, Beckett, Jed, Jake, Wake, Jenks, Lackey, Hill, Salty, Theo, and Tito. You don't own the rights to the meanings of words.    

    I'll trust Webster over a silly clown:

    " a : intense hostility and aversion usually deriving from fear, anger, or sense of injury b : extreme dislike or antipathy : loathing <had a great hate of hard workextreme dislike or antipathy : loathing <had a great hateof hard work>
    2
    : an object of hatred <a generation whose finest hate had been big business — F. L. Paxson>
    You hate fat people (except Papi), old people (except Papi), college grads, Indians, Good ole boys, Jews, and more.

    Haters are those who say Obama ideology is socialist. 

    The most sicialist presidents we ever had were FDR, Nixon, and GW. Obama is 4th most at best.

    Drew isn't 45 and getting a booster seat to break a meaningless PR record.

    Why aren't you calling for his retirement like you did with Mikey? Why aren't you picking apart his injury history?

     
    Tell us about how fat Beckett is again.

    Pretty clear that the embarrassment for Beckett 2010 has him in better shape in 2011. It worked.

    He's about the same size now as 2010.

    Tell us why you want BHall back.

    Bill Hall UIF/OF saved having Lowrie and Mac and Aviles/Sutton and a roster spot. 

    Thanks for an actual answer, but you are wrong nonetheless. Just because BHall was at some positions last year, doesn't mean he played them well. Aviles is a better OF'er than BHall and twice the fielding IF'er. 

    Tell us why Hermida was a great pick-up instead of the dumpster bum I said he was.

    I said he was a "good gamble" since he did not have a guaranteed contract. You lie about the "great pick-up" line.

     Because he is white, of course.

    You are totally wrong on so many levels, it's hard to know where to start. I have been advocating trading 5 white guys for McCutchen. I was for the Cam signing and defended him more than even you. I was for the BHall trade when you said it was "pointless". Later, you pretended to be his biggest supporter. I was against your idea to send Papi to AAA. I never said cut him. You lie, lie, lie. I said move him down from the 3 slot. They did and he took off. My favorite all time player is Tommy Harper. When I defended his statements against Red Sox management, you called me an idiot and a supporter of the ACLU and affirmative action. Now you say I want black players off the team. You flip more than Obama after his election. You can't even keep your lies in order. Even your lies contradict themselves.   

     I'll just leave it at this: your racism speaks for itself. 


    Tell us why you wanted jake as the 4th OF'er and Cam the FT CF'er.

    Platoon with Crawford and Ellsbury and Drew. Look at Ellsbury v. lhp. Goodness, you wanted Ortiz benched v. lp in 2011!!!!! 

    No, more lies. You said Cam should be the FT CF'er. You said he was better even vs RHPs due to his fielding edge. You never mentioned platoon or Drew until now. I wanted Papi to sit vs "MOST LHPs in 2010". In those games he had a .500 OPS. You defended those numbers. This year, I said he should sit vs MOST LHPs, if we have someone who has better numbers. I wanted Lowrie at 3B and Youk to DH vs MOST LHPs, so he could avoid injury. Well, Scutty got hurt so Jed was needed at SS, Jed got hurt, so that plan was barely available, and guess what? Youk got hurt. Remember you said 3b is easier and less dangerous than 1B? Remember that one?

    Tell us why Wake didn't get hurt after 5 games like you predicted.

    If he isnt hurt, Id hate to see him healthy. He stinks!

    Is that an admission of a mistaken prediction?

    Tell us why VTek has the 16th best catcher OPS, and you want him removed as out back-up catcher.

    Defense stinks and 16th best does not overide it. I dont believe in voodoo for the old womanizer.

    He's the back-up catcher with the 16th best offesnive numbers in MLB. 

    Tell us again about your plan to demote Papi to AAA.

    No demotion. Instead of your plan to release him if he didnt turn it around by end of May, which means you would have released him, I was correct that a typical injury rehab DL would help him regain confidence and get him away from the racist Boston media and racist fans like you.

    Let me refresh your memory: while I was calling for Papi to be moved from the 3slot to the 5 or 6 slot, you said you thought he shoulkd be convinced to lie about an injury and take a AAA rehab assignment. You even admitted to it several times afterwards. Get your lies in order and you might convince a few other clowns of your veracity.

    Tell us again how Jake will never have a .335+ OBP over a full season.

    Never said that. Said OBP career average would be lucky to be over .350, and it will be. I said career year would be lucky to be .360 OBP.

    You clearly said .335, then changed it to .340, then much later .350. You said he could never sustain it over a full season.

    Tell why Jake would have 5-7 more HRs if he played LF not CF.

    Quite true 2010, had he not cried to Scott Boras. AGon might help you hit more homers.

    So, if Jake was in LF all this year, he'd have over 30HRs by now? That's just slightly above your 12-14 prediction. You blast me for projecting TB for 90-92 wins when they are on pace for 89, but your predictions are much worse.

    Tell us how you came up with 43% more meatballs for jake.

    Pitch location research.

    It's your biggest lie yet. There is no research that shows that. You lie, lie lie, again, again, and again. 

    Forget it, Don't tell us why. We already know.

    Get out the softy hate meter and everything becomes crystal clear

    Get out the Moonslow board bully meter, and it becomes crystal clear why a flailing pitiful defense of Wakefield and Twins can't afford Mauer is the propaganda of this site.

    "Bully meter"? Yeah right.

    Mauer at $17M, yeah right.
    AGon at $17M, yeah right.
    AGon will not sign in April, yeah right.
    The list goes on and on for pages.
     
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    Wake is horrendous over the past 2 months. I don't need useless stats from Ali to disprove what I see with my eyes. Wake is DONE. Sorry Wake-lovers. It's been a great ride, but he could cost us the division.
     
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    Pete, Moonslow is not all there but he is endorsed by NYT.

    You didn't even know he was on the DL at the time.

    Nonsense. Do you really think a guy who is stupid enough to say Twins cant afford Mauer is going to be the only person who depresses "soxprospects.com". 

    You are an angry ranting board bully who is embarrassed on Mauer and great playoff contender Rays and resort to a complete delusional rant of prevarication. 

    Wakefield stinks! 
     
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    The most sicialist presidents we ever had were FDR, Nixon, and GW. Obama is 4th most at best

    While Wilson, FDR planted the seeds of socialism on the road of good intentions, and Nixon and Bush poured more water on them, no one in American history has spent more money on Sociailist programs and policies than the current Leftist puppet whose patent and overt vision is Socialist Europe road to utopia and social justice (socialism euphemism).

     
     
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    [QUOTE]So, his stats don't count? Yes, Wastefields 5 plus ERA for over 2 years count. Miller is in his 20's and does not play a position. Wastefield in his mid 40s. YOu were wrong about Miller, and quite wrong about Wastefield. Will you cry if Miller puts the old bald guy on the bench.  Ellsbury's in his 20's and you keep saying he will revert to his career norm. Miller has 64 career starts. Tell us why there's a difference (beyond your hate meter scale differential)? Young Pitcher Tell us why you thought Miller would do better than Wake in May? Did you see his AAA numbers at the time? Yes, I saw them. Did you see Wastefield's MLB numbers over the last 2 years. AAA and MLB are not cause and effect. Tell us why you wanted Douby to start instead of Wake while he was on the DL? (Talking of dimwits) I wanted Douby to start when he came off DL Tell us why you think Lackey is better than Wake. Why doesn't his ERA count? Unlike you, I said not to sign Lackey to a wheelchair contract. But, Lackey's ERA over 2 years is better than Wastefield and it counts.  Are you saying you want Wakefield to start over Lackey, in playoffs? Yes you are! Idiot!   Tell us why you hate good ole boy Wake, but bend over backwards to defend Drew. I dont hate Wastefield. Haters are only those who say homosexual conduct is immoral. Haters are those who say Obama ideology is socialist. Drew isn't 45 and getting a booster seat to break a meaningless PR record.  Tell us about how fat Beckett is again. Pretty clear that the embarrassment for Beckett 2010 has him in better shape in 2011. It worked. Tell us why you want BHall back. Bill Hall UIF/OF saved having Lowrie and Mac and Aviles/Sutton and a roster spot. Tell us why Hermida was a great pick-up instead of the dumpster bum I said he was. Because he is white, of course. Tell us why you wanted jake as the 4th OF'er and Cam the FT CF'er. Platoon with Crawford and Ellsbury and Drew. Look at Ellsbury v. lhp. Goodness, you wanted Ortiz benched v. lp in 2011!!!!!    Tell us why Wake didn't get hurt after 5 games like you predicted. If he isnt hurt, Id hate to see him healthy. He stinks! Tell us why VTek has the 16th best catcher OPS, and you want him removed as out back-up catcher. Defense stinks and 16th best does not overide it. I dont believe in voodoo for the old womanizer. Tell us again about your plan to demote Papi to AAA. No demotion. Instead of your plan to release him if he didnt turn it around by end of May, which means you would have released him, I was correct that a typical injury rehab DL would help him regain confidence and get him away from the racist Boston media and racist fans like you. Tell us again how Jake will never have a .335+ OBP over a full season. Never said that. Said OBP career average would be lucky to be over .350, and it will be. I said career year would be lucky to be .360 OBP. Tell why Jake would have 5-7 more HRs if he played LF not CF. Quite true 2010, had he not cried to Scott Boras. AGon might help you hit more homers. Tell us how you came up with 43% more meatballs for jake. Pitch location research. Forget it, Don't tell us why. We already know. Get out the softy hate meter and everything becomes crystal clear Get out the Moonslow board bully meter, and it becomes crystal clear why a flailing pitiful defense of Wakefield and Twins can't afford Mauer is the propaganda of this site.
    Posted by S0ftl@w[/QUOTE]

    BS! I asked you several times to reveal pertinent data or source of "research"...CRICKETS.

    Jake isn't getting anything close to "fat city" fastball or pitches in strike zone % this year compared to any other FT season. You are a liar.  43% fabricating liar.
     
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    [QUOTE]The most sicialist presidents we ever had were FDR, Nixon, and GW. Obama is 4th most at best While Wilson, FDR planted the seeds of socialism on the road of good intentions, and Nixon and Bush poured more water on them, no one in American history has spent more money on Sociailist programs and policies than the current Leftist puppet whose patent and overt vision is Socialist Europe road to utopia and social justice (socialism euphemism).  
    Posted by S0ftl@w[/QUOTE]
    As a historian by education and trade, Nixon is generally considered the last liberal president or at least Classic liberal, the new left movement pretty much died in 1968, Regan while elected as a PaleoConserative pretty much sold out the movement by tons of spending, increasing the US world police, and increased the miliatary after the Soviets where no longer a threat. Obama and Bush have the same fiscal and foreign policy. Barrack stratgery in Afganistan was the same with the same generals and same people in the Pentagon including the longest serving Sec. of Defense as Bush in Iraq. Bush did not veto one spending bill while temporarily lowering taxes. Obama has cut more taxes then Bush(payroll taxes mainly) and has adopted a policy that tax cuts for millionaires are ok if tax cuts for the middle class are included. This agruemnt of him being a social does not stand the mark.
     
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    anytime i hear someone saying Obama is a Socialist, I pretty much discount their political opinions forever....what kind of socialist would give billions to capitalist bankers and not even reform their shady practices let alone take them over...even this health care nonsense is done in coordination with existing HMOs/insurance companies

    When Obama nationalizes the oil and telecommunications industries, creates a single payer health care system, and free education for all, including college, then come see me....
     
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    [QUOTE]Moon - I'm still waiting for my answer... Wake or Miller for the remainder of the starts...choose one and one only -
    Posted by georom4[/QUOTE]

    If I had to choose one right now, it would be very close, but I'd go with Miller. I said about 2 weeks ago, I thought Wake needed a break (he was pitching well at the time). I still think that, and I think the 200 win milestone is distracting him (and the team).

    Ask me who I'd take between Lackey and Wake. I know Tito will never bench a $17M dollar man, but after a 2 start rest, I'd go with Wake over Lackey.

     
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    Not sure why this blog is onto Obama, but the facts are clear: He is a super Progressive, Institutionally trained nut. Don't blame me...I didn't make him that way. And just so more nuts don't bad mouth these comments, Bush, McCain and other Rebubs also have serious left-center leanings. Pelosi, Reid, Durbin, Shumer, Frank, Waxman and much of the Congressional Dem caususes are socialistic by default. Ergo...we are in a heck of a mess as a Republic.
     
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    [QUOTE]anytime i hear someone saying Obama is a Socialist, I pretty much discount their political opinions forever....what kind of socialist would give billions to capitalist bankers and not even reform their shady practices let alone take them over...even this health care nonsense is done in coordination with existing HMOs/insurance companies When Obama nationalizes the oil and telecommunications industries, creates a single payer health care system, and free education for all, including college, then come see me....
    Posted by georom4[/QUOTE]

    The best was when the far right carried Nazi/Obama posters at their rallies... even though I am not a liberal it was easy to recognize a group of morons when I saw them. 
     
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    Re: Sox Rotation and Wakefield

    Get a grip.

     
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    I really how you highlight only the earned runs.  Even with the Lowrie error on Friday, if Wakefield had gotten the guys out after the third out being recorded, the game would not have gotten out of hand.

    I don't highlight ERs, in fact I think ERA is way down on my list of measuring a pitcher's effectiveness. I keep bringing up earned runs because so many clowns keep raosting and bashing Wake because of his EARNED RUNS ALLOWED!

    Using the same criteria to counter an argument does not mean I am "highlighting" it.

    Yes, ERs are important. Unearned runs are important. HR/9 is important. K/9 is important, but so is WHIP, K/BB, SB%, QS%, etc...

    Look at all the numbers together and Wake is not as bad as you guys think or want him to be.
     
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    [QUOTE]Wake is horrendous over the past 2 months. I don't need useless stats from Ali to disprove what I see with my eyes. Wake is DONE. Sorry Wake-lovers. It's been a great ride, but he could cost us the division.
    Posted by PetesCall[/QUOTE]

    He started out as our 6th starter. With Bedard aboard, he is really our 7th starter pressed into duty. The last 2 months he has let up 4 or less ERs in 8 of his last 9 starts. The team is 6-4 in his 10 starts the last 2 months. You really think our 7th starter who led our team to a 6-4 record since July 1st is the guy who might have "cost us the division"?

    He hasn't been great by any stretch of the imagination, but you guys gotta get a grip on the realities of MLb 6th starters and what their expectations are.

     
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    creates a single payer health care system, and free education for all

    And he called down from his mountain and said, "let there be free education and health care". And it was free, and it was so. 
     
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    dannycater are you okay? 
     
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    [QUOTE]james, well said. If Red Sox fans would call for Wakefield's release we wouldnt have to suffer through this bad circus act.
    Posted by S0ftl@w[/QUOTE]

    here's a thought; when theo goes to the cubs, he can take wake with him.
    i think their joined at the hip anyway.
     

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