Re: Sox Should Not Trade Prospects
posted at 8/1/2013 11:26 AM EDT
In response to TexasPat's comment:
In response to Hetchinspete's comment:
I'll give you that Masterson is doing well this year and I respect that your a fan of Masterson, but has been nothing but beyond extremely mediocre three out of the past four year with about a horrible 1.50+WHIP, plus an ERA of about 4.50 in those years, so what's all the love for Masterson about. Sure two years ago he looked like he was finally putting it all together then he comes up with a stinker like last year. He may be doing well this year, but who is to say that will continue given his checkered past history.
You want to give kudos to Masterson for being a good pitcher so far this year but you fail to address the obvious fact that he's been nothing short of mediocre all but one season so far in his career up until this season.
I'm not "a fan of Masterson", as he's no longer with the Sox.
Can't the same be said about Clay Buchholz? In fact, it's arguable that Masterson has had the better career, thus far.
I'm just pointing out the short-sightedness of parting with young prospects for stop-gap veteran help. If a team makes this sort of trade, it had better lead to winning a championship.
Remember the Nomar trade, in 2004? The Sox sacrificed offense in order to get better defensively at that position, with Orlando Cabrera...and added a very good defensive first-baseman, in Doug Mientkiewicz. How did that trade turn out? Just pointing out the value of having a good defensive SS, and team. This is why I have concerns about trading Iggy. Ever since the Sox mistakenly let Cabrera go following that championship 2004 season, the club has been a mess at the SS position. The Cabrera trade is discussed below:
July 31, 2004: Red Sox receive shortstop Orlando Cabrera from Expos, first baseman Doug Mientkiewicz from Twins while sending shortstop Nomar Garciaparra and outfielder Matt Murton to the Cubs.
There was a time when Garciaparra was an icon in Boston, lifting the team on his back at times en route to a couple of batting titles and several postseason appearances. But by the summer of 2004, Garciaparra's range was limited by an Achilles injury and his contract was a couple of months from expiring. General manager Theo Epstein made one of the boldest moves in team history, dealing Garciaparra in a four-team swap that brought the team two players known mostly for their defense in Cabrera and Mientkiewicz.
The trade turned out to be just what the Red Sox needed for the stretch run in 2004. Cabrera energized the clubhouse, gave the lineup a lift and cemented the defense in the middle of the infield. Mientkiewicz lived up to his role as a defensive stopper who could replace Kevin Millar in the late innings. Though Cabrera and Mientkiewicz both departed by the time the '05 season started, their impact in club history is permanent. For a reminder, look at the '04 championship flag.
The Sox didnt win the year when they traded Hanley for Beckett. They won the next year after they acquired Dice-K, Oki, Drew, started Pedey, paps FT as the closer, and what Ellsbury did at the end of the year for them..
So, no, they might not win this year. But the move was a good move regardless, for their situation.
Id rather have a average to above average SS with a 900OPS than a GG SS with a 600+ OPS...Apparently the Sox would too.
Thats not putting Iggy down, its just preference and what kind of players the team is made up of. Boston cant hide his bat as good as Detroit can. Now, If this was 2004 and we had Papi/Manny and everyone else Id say Ok. Same with 2007. This team doesnt have a bunch of mashers anymore. One player has 20 HR (Papi).