In response to southpaw777's comment:
In response to moonslav59's comment:
Id rather have a average to above average SS with a 900OPS than a GG SS with a 600+ OPS...Apparently the Sox would too.
What if this happens?
Boggy does a fair job on defense at SS over the length of Iggy's team control, but puts up these OPS numbers:
We struggle for 4 years to find a capable 3Bman or have to eat up a big chunk of our budget to sign one.
Iggy plays tremendous defense at SS for 4 years and puts up these OPS numbers:
Is it still a slam dunk gain?
Yup...because Im betting that Bogeys bat will make a much bigger difference regardless. He will have a bunch of 2b and HR. Maybe the OBP or SLG goes a little south during an adjustment time, but his bat will still make a difference more than Iggys glove. if 800 is your low for him thats still about 100 points higher on Iggys best year and Bogeys worst, and almost 200 on both guys best years. That, and Iggy is a singles GB hitter with a very low LD%.
Again, it's not a simple Boggy vs Iggy issue. Boggy could and probably should be our future 3Bman, so it could have been Iggy-Boggy instead of Boggy-???. The complete rating of this trade will depend on how well our 3Bman does over the next 4 years or so and at what cost it took to fill that position if we have to go outside the system to fill it plus how well Boggy actually does.
I am not saying Boggy at 100-200 points higher in OPS than Iggy is not a net plus. 100 may be a net plus and 200 certainly is, but I still think Boggy makes more sense at 3B (or maybe eventually 1B if Cecchini pans out).
Sorry Moon, but a bat like Bogey will be more valuable than Iggys glove. Bogeys glove wont be as good (I can see 10-15 E's) but the bat will be so far superior that it wont matter. Thats why I prefer a more well rounded player. IMHO, Iggy will be lucky once his numbers normalize, to be a .700OPS hitter. His OPB will have to be mid 300's because his SLG will be in the 300's.
Even if Iggy has 25 errors a season, he makes way more plays than the average MLB SS. We have seen that so far this year.
Again, why have so many posters determined what Iggy will top out at on offense, when he is only 23 years old?
I realize his numbers this year are based on a lot of luck, and is not sustainable over the long run, but his plate approach clearzly improved. His K% declined from near 21% in 2012 to under 13% this year. His bunting ability became a clear weapon.
My guess is Boggy might start off as a below average fielding SS and imrpove into an average one. I fail to see how this is called "well- rounded". Boggy should be a much better hitter than Iggy, worse on the basepaths, and worse in the field. I agree, when compared one on one to Iggy, he is likely to be a net plus, and maybe we are just arguing semantics on "well rounded" vs "overall better", but my main point is that Boggy's only spot on this team is not SS.
We have the worst 3B numbers in MLB right now. We have no clear 1Bman for 2014. Napoli and Drew bolt after this year. We have 3 slots open next year- all of which Boggy could play. I'm a huge Cecchini supporter from way back, but we cannot pencil him in at 3B or 1B next year on the big club.
Perhaps our big difference in opinion is whether a SS with an OPS of .659-.750 can be a net plus to a team if he is the best fielding SS in MLB. If you can see him as a net plus, not in comparison to Boggy, but as compared to other MLB SSs, then his value to this team could have been realized along side Boggy, as long as Boggy moved to 3B or perhaps 1B down the road.