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    I agree that playing it half-way is not going to get you anywhere.  However, I disagree that we are playing it half way.  We are going for it.

    I disagree 100%. Non of these guys will take us over the top, and the combination of them all brings about half way there, in terms of winning in 2013, but 0% of the way towards being better in 2014 and beyond..

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    0% of the way towards being better than what?  Moon, this statement doesn't even make sense.  Are you saying we have no chance of winning the World Series in 2014 because guys like Victorino and Gomes and Dempster will be on the team?

     
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    they were once good players..remember youkilis? why is that so hard for folks to figure?

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    And like Greinke.  He won the Cy Young in 2009 but has not been nearly the same pitcher since then.  Good thing we didn't sign him...or Hamilton.  He's on the downside too.

     
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    I agree that playing it half-way is not going to get you anywhere.  However, I disagree that we are playing it half way.  We are going for it.

    I disagree 100%. Non of these guys will take us over the top, and the combination of them all brings about half way there, in terms of winning in 2013, but 0% of the way towards being better in 2014 and beyond..

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    0% of the way towards being better than what?  Moon, this statement doesn't even make sense.  Are you saying we have no chance of winning the World Series in 2014 because guys like Victorino and Gomes and Dempster will be on the team?

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    No, I am saying that the players we got this winter improve our chances in 2014 by 0 %.

    (From about a 2% chance to about a 2.4% chance as we stand now.)

    I'd rather have the $26M owed SV after 2013, the $13M owed Dempster after 2013, and the $5M owed Gomes after 2013. There will be better FAs in 2014 that could have helped us more for that $44M.

     
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    you do realize that Dempster, Victorino, Napoli, and Dempster have all made teh all-star team within the last 3 years , right?>

    Moon, we brough in very solid MLB players.  Dont let this board jade you.  Most people hating our acquisitions hate them for one reason.  They love watching homegrown youngsters come into their own.  They dont hate the moves for baseball reasons.  They hate them because they would rather watch prospects.

    This isnt crap.  Its a bunch of very good players.  Its just that those players are over 30.

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    2012   OPS+:


    SV    91

    MN   110

    SD   97

    The three above have been very good players in the past.

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    Yes, because you are cherry picking injury plagued years.  Except for SD.  I'm with you on that one.  But Vic and Naps were hurt in 2012.  

     
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    I'd rather have the $26M owed SV after 2013, the $13M owed Dempster after 2013, and the $5M owed Gomes after 2013. There will be better FAs in 2014 that could have helped us more for that $44M.

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    Which 2014 FA's specifically?

     
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    I agree that playing it half-way is not going to get you anywhere.  However, I disagree that we are playing it half way.  We are going for it.

    I disagree 100%. Non of these guys will take us over the top, and the combination of them all brings about half way there, in terms of winning in 2013, but 0% of the way towards being better in 2014 and beyond..

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    Regardless of what I believe , Ben clearly believes that he is fieldin a competitive team in 2013.  Ben isnt signing guys to pull a massive rouse on RS fans like some conspiracy theorist posters have posted.  Thats rediculous.  By making short term signings , Ben is trying to be competitive in 2013.  You may disagree with his player evaluation, but clearly his intent is to compete in the short term.

    He isnt trying to play it half way.  He is trying to win now.  You may think that it is a futile effort and disagree with his avenue, but he has picked and committed to a path.

     
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    they were once good players..remember youkilis? why is that so hard for folks to figure?

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    Youk has slowly regressed over 3 yrs.  Naps and Vic were both all-stars in 2011 and hurt in 2012.  Not a fair comparison.

     
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    I agree that playing it half-way is not going to get you anywhere.  However, I disagree that we are playing it half way.  We are going for it.

    I disagree 100%. Non of these guys will take us over the top, and the combination of them all brings about half way there, in terms of winning in 2013, but 0% of the way towards being better in 2014 and beyond..

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    0% of the way towards being better than what?  Moon, this statement doesn't even make sense.  Are you saying we have no chance of winning the World Series in 2014 because guys like Victorino and Gomes and Dempster will be on the team?

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    No, I am saying that the players we got this winter improve our chances in 2014 by 0 %.

    (From about a 2% chance to about a 2.4% chance as we stand now.)

    I'd rather have the $26M owed SV after 2013, the $13M owed Dempster after 2013, and the $5M owed Gomes after 2013. There will be better FAs in 2014 that could have helped us more for that $44M.

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    In 2014 when Ellsbury walks, SV will be a GG CF.  Napoli will be 32 in 2014.  You dont think his .863 OPS will help?  Dempster misses a ton of bats.  He'll probably be a good #4 at least in 2014.

    These guys may not be core guys on a championship caliber team, but I think you are greatly underrating all three.  They are very good ballplayers.  I dont get the stephen drew or johnny gomes signings either.

    But im okay with Naps, Vic and Dempster.  

     
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    you do realize that Dempster, Victorino, Napoli, and Dempster have all made teh all-star team within the last 3 years , right?>

    Moon, we brough in very solid MLB players.  Dont let this board jade you.  Most people hating our acquisitions hate them for one reason.  They love watching homegrown youngsters come into their own.  They dont hate the moves for baseball reasons.  They hate them because they would rather watch prospects.

    This isnt crap.  Its a bunch of very good players.  Its just that those players are over 30.

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    2012   OPS+:


    SV    91

    MN   110

    SD   97

    The three above have been very good players in the past.

    Past Performance Does Not Predict Future Returns

     

     

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    Yes, because you are cherry picking injury plagued years.  Except for SD.  I'm with you on that one.  But Vic and Naps were hurt in 2012.  

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    How about career numbers?

    SV OPS+ 102 (He'll turn 33 next November)

    MN OPS+ 126 (He'll turn 32 next year and has been hurt just about every year and flunked this year's physical.)

    SD OPS+  96 (Has been over 93 just once since 2008)

    For this, we paid nearly $90M.

     
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    you do realize that Dempster, Victorino, Napoli, and Dempster have all made teh all-star team within the last 3 years , right?>

    Moon, we brough in very solid MLB players.  Dont let this board jade you.  Most people hating our acquisitions hate them for one reason.  They love watching homegrown youngsters come into their own.  They dont hate the moves for baseball reasons.  They hate them because they would rather watch prospects.

    This isnt crap.  Its a bunch of very good players.  Its just that those players are over 30.

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    2012   OPS+:


    SV    91

    MN   110

    SD   97

    The three above have been very good players in the past.

    Past Performance Does Not Predict Future Returns

     

     

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    Yes, because you are cherry picking injury plagued years.  Except for SD.  I'm with you on that one.  But Vic and Naps were hurt in 2012.  

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    How about career numbers?

    SV OPS+ 102 (He'll turn 33 next November)

    MN OPS+ 126 (He'll turn 32 next year and has been hurt just about every year and flunked this year's physical.)

    SD OPS+  96 (Has been over 93 just once since 2008)

    For this, we paid nearly $90M.

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    Age is just a number and Shane Victorino, even in a down 2012, was still an elite base stealer (39 swipes in only 45 attempts) and still a GG caliber OF.  This is where his value lies.  His OBP and power are bonuses.  So an OPS+ of 102 isn't terrible considering these arent his strenghts.  Sure he doesnt have the OBP to lead off; however, if he did, he would have gotten 17M+ yr.  He's a gold glove centerfielder and a great basestealer.  Combine that w/ an OPS+ of 102, thats a very well rounded ball player.

    I'm not going to pretend that I know the deal w/ Naps health.  However, I do know that he is a very good right handed hitter and that there have been many false alarms re: physicals in recent years.  Right now, the sox have all the leverage.  The naps situation will work out.

    I agree, however, that next year will require some luck (staying healthy).

    I dont get the stephen drew signing either.  I'd rather have Iggy batting .200 and playing elite D.

     

     
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    Regardless of what I believe , Ben clearly believes that he is fieldin a competitive team in 2013.  Ben isnt signing guys to pull a massive rouse on RS fans like some conspiracy theorist posters have posted.  Thats rediculous.  By making short term signings , Ben is trying to be competitive in 2013.  You may disagree with his player evaluation, but clearly his intent is to compete in the short term.

    ((((  I'd guess Ben would have traded Papi, Ells, and Lester if the marketing portion of the FO didn't have TV/radio/sponsor issues in mind.))))))

    He isnt trying to play it half way.  He is trying to win now.  You may think that it is a futile effort and disagree with his avenue, but he has picked and committed to a path.

    ((((((((Ben has put together a team which is tied for the 14th most likely to win the WS sitting between 30 - 40 to 1 in Vegas.  Is Vegas part of this conspiracy?   How is 30 to 1 trying to win now?   He has a team which probbably will win 80 something games and has almost zero chance of a long playoff run.  The marketing folks prefer what he has done, but the 2015 Sox and beyond could have had a Myers or two.))))))


     
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    I agree that playing it half-way is not going to get you anywhere.  However, I disagree that we are playing it half way.  We are going for it.

    I disagree 100%. Non of these guys will take us over the top, and the combination of them all brings about half way there, in terms of winning in 2013, but 0% of the way towards being better in 2014 and beyond..

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    0% of the way towards being better than what?  Moon, this statement doesn't even make sense.  Are you saying we have no chance of winning the World Series in 2014 because guys like Victorino and Gomes and Dempster will be on the team?

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    No, I am saying that the players we got this winter improve our chances in 2014 by 0 %.

    (From about a 2% chance to about a 2.4% chance as we stand now.)

    I'd rather have the $26M owed SV after 2013, the $13M owed Dempster after 2013, and the $5M owed Gomes after 2013. There will be better FAs in 2014 that could have helped us more for that $44M.

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    In 2014 when Ellsbury walks, SV will be a GG CF.  Napoli will be 32 in 2014.  You dont think his .863 OPS will help?  Dempster misses a ton of bats.  He'll probably be a good #4 at least in 2014.

    These guys may not be core guys on a championship caliber team, but I think you are greatly underrating all three.  They are very good ballplayers.  I dont get the stephen drew or johnny gomes signings either.

    But im okay with Naps, Vic and Dempster.  

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    Here's a quote about our 2014 finances:

    How do things look going forward? Drew, Ellsbury, Saltalamacchia and Uehara all come off the books, while Lester's number would take a jump to $13 million if the Red Sox picked up their team option on him. That leaves more than $150 million in payroll commitments already on the books for 2014, including the arbitration-eligibles.


     
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    Maybe I am over-rating our fan's intelligence.

    No, you are over-rating your own intelligence.

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    hard to say, but the team won't take that chance and they're the ones pulling the strings. think a lot of hard core, well-versed fans would understand and perhaps roll with it, but that is not who makes up the entirety of those who come out to the ballpark, but merchandise, watch the games at home, etc. protection of the "brand" involves continuing to win, being like-able, having marquee players the base knows and can identify with, etc. these are not pure baseball decisions. 

     
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    it is true the crawford deal was terrible from the start - just like the lugo deal, the matusaka, lackey, and jd drew deals were, but it's also true that crawford was for 7 @ 142 and this is 1 @ 9.5. the point might be that the sox are overpaying for a bunch of mediocre talent, which is hard to dispute, but the impact of these "bad" signings cannot be compared to the kind of huge, colossal mistakes that crippled the franchise. you can completely disagree with the red sox purported philsophy of sorts of doing shorter term FA contracts (with a premium added for fewer years) but as walter in the big lebowski said, "say what you want about the tenets of national socialism dude, at least it's an ethos." 

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    I would probably agree that $142M of bad money (money spent on crahp) spread over 7 years may be worse than $160M+ spreead out over 3 years to 8 players, but come on, we are spending about $77M this year on this... 

    $39M/3 Victorino

    $39M/3 Napoli

    $26.5M/2 Dempster 

    $26M/2 Papi 

    $10M/2 Gomes

    $9.5M/1 S Drew

    $6.2M/2 D Ross

    $4.25M/1 Uehara

    Yeah, it's only "short term", but in 2014 we will be paying about $60M for SV/MN/DO/RD/JG/DR. That's an average of $10M per scrub.

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    you do realize that Dempster, Victorino, Napoli, and Dempster have all made teh all-star team within the last 3 years , right?>

    Moon, we brough in very solid MLB players.  Dont let this board jade you.  Most people hating our acquisitions hate them for one reason.  They love watching homegrown youngsters come into their own.  They dont hate the moves for baseball reasons.  They hate them because they would rather watch prospects.

    This isnt crap.  Its a bunch of very good players.  Its just that those players are over 30.

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    think also the money comes into play. people judge the sigings based on the dollar amounts. 

     
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    Regardless of what I believe , Ben clearly believes that he is fieldin a competitive team in 2013.  Ben isnt signing guys to pull a massive rouse on RS fans like some conspiracy theorist posters have posted.  Thats rediculous.  By making short term signings , Ben is trying to be competitive in 2013.  You may disagree with his player evaluation, but clearly his intent is to compete in the short term.

    ((((  I'd guess Ben would have traded Papi, Ells, and Lester if the marketing portion of the FO didn't have TV/radio/sponsor issues in mind.))))))

    He isnt trying to play it half way.  He is trying to win now.  You may think that it is a futile effort and disagree with his avenue, but he has picked and committed to a path.

    ((((((((Ben has put together a team which is tied for the 14th most likely to win the WS sitting between 30 - 40 to 1 in Vegas.  Is Vegas part of this conspiracy?   How is 30 to 1 trying to win now?   He has a team which probbably will win 80 something games and has almost zero chance of a long playoff run.  The marketing folks prefer what he has done, but the 2015 Sox and beyond could have had a Myers or two.))))))


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    Thinking that the moves were made for only business reasons (and not baseball reasons) is a conspiracy theory.  Ben wants to win, his job depends on it.  John Henry does not own the  Sox for profitability alone.  If he did, he would have sold at a high point.

    They are making moves primarily for baseball reasons w/ a slight consideration towards business.  The focus is primarily on baseball.  Not marketing, TV revenue....

    A handful of Myers fizzle every year.  Ben doesnt believe that we should trade away our core for a handful of guys who may help in 2015.  Most prospects become fourth outfielders and middle revlievers*

    *credit Notin.

    We dont need to have 1 MLB ready prospect at every position waiting to take over when teh current starters become expensive.  Some teams (Padres, Twins, Pirates) have to operate like this.  However, we do not.  Ah, the luxuries of being a big market team :))

     
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    it is true the crawford deal was terrible from the start - just like the lugo deal, the matusaka, lackey, and jd drew deals were, but it's also true that crawford was for 7 @ 142 and this is 1 @ 9.5. the point might be that the sox are overpaying for a bunch of mediocre talent, which is hard to dispute, but the impact of these "bad" signings cannot be compared to the kind of huge, colossal mistakes that crippled the franchise. you can completely disagree with the red sox purported philsophy of sorts of doing shorter term FA contracts (with a premium added for fewer years) but as walter in the big lebowski said, "say what you want about the tenets of national socialism dude, at least it's an ethos." 

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    I would probably agree that $142M of bad money (money spent on crahp) spread over 7 years may be worse than $160M+ spreead out over 3 years to 8 players, but come on, we are spending about $77M this year on this... 

    $39M/3 Victorino

    $39M/3 Napoli

    $26.5M/2 Dempster 

    $26M/2 Papi 

    $10M/2 Gomes

    $9.5M/1 S Drew

    $6.2M/2 D Ross

    $4.25M/1 Uehara

    Yeah, it's only "short term", but in 2014 we will be paying about $60M for SV/MN/DO/RD/JG/DR. That's an average of $10M per scrub.

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    you do realize that Dempster, Victorino, Napoli, and Dempster have all made teh all-star team within the last 3 years , right?>

    Moon, we brough in very solid MLB players.  Dont let this board jade you.  Most people hating our acquisitions hate them for one reason.  They love watching homegrown youngsters come into their own.  They dont hate the moves for baseball reasons.  They hate them because they would rather watch prospects.

    This isnt crap.  Its a bunch of very good players.  Its just that those players are over 30.

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    think also the money comes into play. people judge the sigings based on the dollar amounts. 

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    Fair.

     
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    I agree that playing it half-way is not going to get you anywhere.  However, I disagree that we are playing it half way.  We are going for it.

    I disagree 100%. Non of these guys will take us over the top, and the combination of them all brings about half way there, in terms of winning in 2013, but 0% of the way towards being better in 2014 and beyond..

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    0% of the way towards being better than what?  Moon, this statement doesn't even make sense.  Are you saying we have no chance of winning the World Series in 2014 because guys like Victorino and Gomes and Dempster will be on the team?

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    No, I am saying that the players we got this winter improve our chances in 2014 by 0 %.

    (From about a 2% chance to about a 2.4% chance as we stand now.)

    I'd rather have the $26M owed SV after 2013, the $13M owed Dempster after 2013, and the $5M owed Gomes after 2013. There will be better FAs in 2014 that could have helped us more for that $44M.

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    In 2014 when Ellsbury walks, SV will be a GG CF.  Napoli will be 32 in 2014.  You dont think his .863 OPS will help?  Dempster misses a ton of bats.  He'll probably be a good #4 at least in 2014.

    These guys may not be core guys on a championship caliber team, but I think you are greatly underrating all three.  They are very good ballplayers.  I dont get the stephen drew or johnny gomes signings either.

    But im okay with Naps, Vic and Dempster.  

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    Here's a quote about our 2014 finances:

    How do things look going forward? Drew, Ellsbury, Saltalamacchia and Uehara all come off the books, while Lester's number would take a jump to $13 million if the Red Sox picked up their team option on him. That leaves more than $150 million in payroll commitments already on the books for 2014, including the arbitration-eligibles.

     

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    And the luxury tax threshhold will be 190M.  So that gives us a nice 40M to spend.  Also, this 2013 FA class isnt a one year thing.  Teams just arent letting their elite players hit free agency anymore.

     
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    My main problem with the whole plays the kids arguement, is that it implies how a team handles its prospects will determine the overall success of the prospect.  Maybe there is a prospect here that is ruined because the team mismanages him (either calling him up too early or too late); however , this is rare.

    However, 99% of the time , its the talent of the prospect that determines how far the prospect will go.  Mediocre prospects will not become all-stars if they receive sufficient playing time.  And elite prospects will still grow in the minors.  The talent of the prospect is far more important than where the prospects plays.  Prospects do not have to paly in teh majors to be monitored and they dont have to play in the majors to grow.

    So sacrificiing 2013 and 2014 to give prospects playing time is foolish to me.  ML playing time isnt the primary variable in prospect success.  Talent is.

    Dont sacrifice seasons to give prospects playing time when they arent ready.  Let them learn and develop in the minors (where they can focus exclusively on getting better and dont have to deal with the pressures of winning) and call them up when they are ready.

    Last year , we auditioned many prospects.  Some proved to be ready (Middlebrooks, Doubront) and some proved that they werent (Kalish, Lava).  Moves were made accordingly.

     
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    We have good news and bad news.   First , the bad news : Ben is signing a bunch of ham and eggers to excessively high contracts .  The good news :  They are not long contracts.

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    Which was the plan all along. Not sure why some here are surprised. Not completely thrilled about some names, but I know the guys we did sign will play the game hard and the right way. Ill go into the season with mild expectations, knowing that they are at least headed in the right direction.

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    It should be considered that if Victorino, Napoli and Drew prove that 2012 was due to injury and they are still the players we saw from 2009-2011 (or 2008-2010 in Drew's case), then these players suddenly have significant trade value and can be flipped.

    If you sign someone to a market competitive deal, that person has par value.  Desperate buyers flip good prospects for par value players all year.

    If we are in fourth place at the deadline next year, but Drew is batting .260 with avg D and a pro-rated 15 HR's, he does have trade value.  If VIC is batting .270, playing GG D, has a pro-rated 30 SB and 15HRs at the deadline, he does have trade value.

    Its possible that Ben is stockpiling players that he think will rebound w/ a plan to flip these players (if the team falls out of contention early).

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    The "one" voice of reason.  Thank you.

     

    Someone finally gets it.

     

    Look,  I'm not thrilled about Naps, Vic, Demps et al...  but,  I sure as heck am positive I would'nt break the bank for either Hamilton or Greinke.

     

    Relax people.  Compare this lineup to SF.  They knocked off the big-bopper Tigers in 4 straight,  did they not. 

     

    Last year did not work...  major reconstruction was necessary.  But...  Rome can not be built in a day.

     
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    Maybe I am over-rating our fan's intelligence.

    No, you are over-rating your own intelligence.

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    hard to say, but the team won't take that chance and they're the ones pulling the strings. think a lot of hard core, well-versed fans would understand and perhaps roll with it, but that is not who makes up the entirety of those who come out to the ballpark, but merchandise, watch the games at home, etc. protection of the "brand" involves continuing to win, being like-able, having marquee players the base knows and can identify with, etc. these are not pure baseball decisions. 

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    Spot on

     
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    Re: Sox Sign Drew

     

    Thinking that the moves were made for only business reasons (and not baseball reasons) is a conspiracy theory.  Ben wants to win, his job depends on it.  John Henry does not own the  Sox for profitability alone.  If he did, he would have sold at a high point.   They are making moves primarily for baseball reasons w/ a slight consideration towards business.  The focus is primarily on baseball.  Not marketing, TV revenue...

     

    (((((((  "As for purchasing Liverpool FC, a franchise with uncanny parallels to the Red Sox, he writes, "We've driven revenues as far as baseball will allow, and here was an opportunity to compete globally in a league without borders."

    A handful of Myers fizzle every year.   

     

    (((((((((Minor League Player of the Year. Here are the last 10 non-pitchers who won that award: Mike TroutJason HeywardMatt Wieters,Jay BruceAlex Gordon,Delmon YoungJoe Mauer,Rocco BaldelliEric ChavezPaul Konerko. Oh, and the previous five awards? Andruw Jonestwice, Derek JeterManny Ramirez, and Tim Salmon.))))

     

    Ben doesnt believe that we should trade away our core for a handful of guys who may help in 2015.  Most prospects become fourth outfielders and middle revlievers*

    ((((That prospects fail is why you need as many as possible (Lester, Ells, and Papi should have been turned into prospects).   PROSPECTS are the only way a team will compete with the new CBA.  We all need to wake up to the new reality.  Are Mets fans glad they held on to their marquee players for four straight poor seasons???)))  

     

    We dont need to have 1 MLB ready prospect at every position waiting to take over when teh current starters become expensive.  Some teams (Padres, Twins, Pirates) have to operate like this.  However, we do not.  Ah, the luxuries of being a big market team :))

    (((((  Who cares!!!  The Sox finish 70 - 92 instead of winning 85 games in 2013.   Probably poor in 2014 too, but then the Sox will be in much better position with more prospects in the fold.

    That is why I'm less bothered by Drew, at least he could pull a Beltre and create a compensation pick. 

    I listned to almost every pitch from 1980 to '85 on a very fuzzy radio of the Sox finishing 5th 5th 3rd 6th 4th 5th and loved every minute and it made MOST of 1986 all the more enjoyable.)))



     
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    Re: Sox Sign Drew

    9.5 Million? For a banjo guy, and Marco Scutaro is a playoff MVP for Giants...nice work there by the Sox, good evaluation.

     
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    Re: Sox Sign Drew

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    Not JD. Family sweep complete

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    Bad Bad ...All i can say is bad...... Well i can also say Sad ...... What the F............

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    You took the words right out of my mouth.

     
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    Re: Sox Sign Drew

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    Not JD. Family sweep complete

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    Bad Bad ...All i can say is bad...... Well i can also say Sad ...... What the F............

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    You took the words right out of my mouth.

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    Another whiner heard from

     
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    Re: Sox Sign Drew

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    9.5 Million? For a banjo guy, and Marco Scutaro is a playoff MVP for Giants...nice work there by the Sox, good evaluation.

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    Drew's career SLG % is 42 points higher than Marco's, so if Drew is a banjo guy, what would Scutaro be? 

    Ukulele?

     

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