Re: Sox Sign Drew
posted at 12/20/2012 8:31 AM EST
In response to moonslav59's comment:
My plan had us better in 2013 than what we have now, and much better going forward. I know and realize that maybe some of my plan just could not happen, but my guess is that McCarthy would have taken $24M/3, J Upton could have been had, and we could have found a way to get Brett Anderson.
I know these guys don't guarantee a better team, but in my opinion we'd be much better off than now. All 3 of these guys are at the start of their prime years and would be under control until after 2015. A couple role players here and there, maybe even a couple of Ben signings added to this and to me, we are clearly closer contenders in 2013 and much better positioned for 2014 and 2015.
Even a plan that included getting A Sanchez & McCarthy and then trading for Myers made more sense to me.
I think we have come about full circle. We should agree to disagree and root like H3ll for the Sox next year. It should be an interesting season, and I'd love nothing more than to have to apologize to Ben and this board for my pessimism and negativity.
I've been accused of being overly optimistic for several years now, so I have a gut feeling we may be even worse than I think.
When are you going to admit that your "plan" was never reality? Brett Anderson IS NOT AVAILABLE. Not sure why you don't grasp that fact. He's NOT AVAILABLE...Seriously...give it up...
When are you going to admit that ben's plan will be a failure and is reality.
Every player in MLB is available at the right price- every player. Besides, B Anderson was not my only option at upgrading from the top of the rotation.
Of course my plan is not "reality". Many of the players I wanted have been signed already. That doesn't stop anyone from having the right to carry on a "what if" discussion.
Brandon McCarthy has a bum shoulder, got hit in the face with a line drive and doesn't like the east coast. Stop posting the Sox "should've signed him." There was zero interest, ZERO interest on either side, regardless of the money, terms, etc...This is becoming worse than your 200 "trade for the unavailable Gavin Floyd" posts from last year.
99% of players will sign with the highest bidder, unless the differential is very small. My offer of $24M/3 is significantly higher than what he got at $15.5M/2. Maybe he wouldn't have taken that offer, but stop pretending you know what he is thinking based on him uttering something about preferring not to play on the east coast. Many a player has said similar things and then signed to play in those areas.
Lastly, have you read anything regarding Justin Upton? At all??? The Sox don't...match...up...AT ALL...The Diamondbacks want a Major League ready shortstop, plus...never mind...you'll still post they "could've had him." Again, you're "plan" is not reality. I know you hate what the Sox Front Office has done so far, but either face "reality" or come up with a plan that isn't absolutely ridiculous...
1) I don't believe everything I read, and there is ample evidence to support why no to.
2) I have read several times that AZ was looking to trade Upton- YES HE WAS AVAILABLE!
3) Of course we match up. The issue was that Ben did not want to part with the players AZ wants or didn't want to try involving a third team. You and I do not know how close we came to getting Upton. For all we know, it might have been a garin Cecchini away from a done deal.
In general, this is a Sox discussion board where people come to discuss their ideas, debate their merits, and critique the moves made by our GM. I don't see why it upsets you so much that someone disagrees with you (and Ben), and unlike most posters critical of Ben, I offer specific alternative plans that may or may not have ever had any chance of happening. It's not like I was making silly softy offers like Jake and any prospects not named Bradley & Barnes for Upton. Most of my offers have been more criticized for being too much to offer rather than too little.
You can choose to believe that because Oakland said they are not going to trade Anderson, no deal could ever pry him away. You can choose to believe that we could not trade with a 3rd team to provide what AZ wanted for Upton. You can choose to believe whatever you want about McCarthy, but I still do not think it was unrealistic to think we could have made all 3 of these things happen, make a few other key role player signings and been better on paper than we are now, especially looking at 2014 and beyond. Quite frankly, I am shocked at how so many Sox fans have drank the Kool-Aid and actually think any of these signings are geared towards helping us in 2014 & 2015, and please, the argument that it is helpful that these guys will be gone by 2014 or 2015 is laughable. They are not helping us continually improve, and that concept was what should have been adhered to after a last place finish: not stop-gap measures that provide a sham of serious competitiveness.