Sportsman of the Year, Sports Illustrated

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    I think that Rivera should have won this award this year instead of Manning if it was given for llifetime achievement.  He is the best ever closer in the history of the game and I believe that no one will ever surpass him in their career at this position. 

     
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    Someone will surpass Rivera someday.  It's not like being the best closer can be equated with being the best hitter; closers have only been around for  30 years or so, and the save was only invented in 1971 (and re-defined a couple of times since).  So he is the best on a shorter list.

     

    It might be Craig Kimbrel.  It might be someone who has not starte playing yet.  But Rivera's records will likely fall someday.

     

    Kimbrel just finished his age 25 season, and is already among the all-time top 80 in WAR for relievers

     
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    Someone will surpass Rivera someday.  It's not like being the best closer can be equated with being the best hitter; closers have only been around for  30 years or so, and the save was only invented in 1971 (and re-defined a couple of times since).  So he is the best on a shorter list.

     It might be Craig Kimbrel.  It might be someone who has not starte playing yet.  But Rivera's records will likely fall someday.

     Kimbrel just finished his age 25 season, and is already among the all-time top 80 in WAR for relievers



    Morning Notin and Merry Christmas. Rivera's record "may" be broken as all records are eventually broken with one exception, Dimaggio's 56 game hitting streak, but it won't be in my lifetime and might be right behind Dimaggio's streak as one of the record the most difficult to achieve.

    I agree the closer's role has been redefined as pitching roles have changed in MLB. It wasn't that many years ago that the workhorse pitcher eating innings gave the club 275-300 innings, now an innings eater is defined at around 200 innings. As a youngster I watched Dick Radatz pitch mid-long relief over 4 seasons with the Sox as a closer pitching 125-150 innings a year. Jack Lamabe, his set up reliever pitched 151 innings in 1964. Now a relief pitcher comes in for three out and goes to the bench for another reliever. That's why it was so unusual for 3-5 out closes by Koji last year. Then we've the lefthand specialist who comes in to get one or two out ocassionally.

    In this age of 3 out relievers it's hard to believe Mike Marshall's record of 106 appearances with the LAD in over 200 innings all in relief, but in all only 21 saves yet finshing over 80. 

    Looking at stats it hard to believe how much MLB has changed. One glaring example, Warren Spahn started 663 games over his long career with 382 complete games and 63 shut out. That's finshing 57% lifetime with 10% shutouts. Adam Wainwright led MLB with 5 CGs in 2-13 with 2 SOs. How times have changed the game.

    Pitchers are pitching less innings but seem so much more fragile, open to injuries now more than ever. Closers it seems especially so. They pitch for a few great seasons, go down with injury and few come back to pitch as well again. At least that's my perception. For a closer to reach 652 saves seems monumental. It may never happen.

    Cheers, Hetch    

     

     
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    Agreed that it should have been Rivera. There were so many better choices than Manning, but I'm not surprised. 

     
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    Rivera would have made a good choice for Sportsman of the Year if they considered his whole career.

      If they were judging solely for the 2013 calender year,the choice I would have made is for Big Papi.Besides having a pretty good regular season,he carried the Sox through the postseason and the World Series.Without him,the Sox would have never won their 3rd championship in the last 10 years.

     
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    Agreed that it should have been Rivera. There were so many better choices than Manning, but I'm not surprised. 

    love Peyton as a QB, but totally agree there were probably better choices...my pick would have been Jimmie Johnson and/or Rafael Nadal..

     
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    Rivera would have made a good choice for Sportsman of the Year if they considered his whole career.

      If they were judging solely for the 2013 calender year,the choice I would have made is for Big Papi.Besides having a pretty good regular season,he carried the Sox through the postseason and the World Series.Without him,the Sox would have never won their 3rd championship in the last 10 years.

    hey mojo...Happy Holidays bud...i think Verducci's  pick was Ortiz too...


     
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    Agreed that it should have been Rivera. There were so many better choices than Manning, but I'm not surprised. 

    love Peyton as a QB, but totally agree there were probably better choices...my pick would have been Jimmie Johnson and/or Rafael Nadal..



    I think that most sports fans believe that someone else besides Manning should have won.  I really would have liked to see Rivera win and I am not sure but don't think that he ever won this award.  At least they didn't give it to LeBron again this year.  I really dislike him and don't ever want to see him win again. 

     
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    Agreed that it should have been Rivera. There were so many better choices than Manning, but I'm not surprised. 

    love Peyton as a QB, but totally agree there were probably better choices...my pick would have been Jimmie Johnson and/or Rafael Nadal..



    I think that most sports fans believe that someone else besides Manning should have won.  I really would have liked to see Rivera win and I am not sure but don't think that he ever won this award.  At least they didn't give it to LeBron again this year.  I really dislike him and don't ever want to see him win again. 



    If this is true it's a terrible injustice.  Mario Rivera embodies what a true sportsman should be in his performance, his behavior, and his demeanor. 

     
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    Someone will surpass Rivera someday.  It's not like being the best closer can be equated with being the best hitter; closers have only been around for  30 years or so, and the save was only invented in 1971 (and re-defined a couple of times since).  So he is the best on a shorter list.

     

    It might be Craig Kimbrel.  It might be someone who has not starte playing yet.  But Rivera's records will likely fall someday.

     

    Kimbrel just finished his age 25 season, and is already among the all-time top 80 in WAR for relievers



    Well, let's just see if can maintain this for 15 more seasons.  He'll also need to compile a respectable post-season resume.  Long, long, long way to go.

     

     

     
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    Agreed that it should have been Rivera. There were so many better choices than Manning, but I'm not surprised. 

    love Peyton as a QB, but totally agree there were probably better choices...my pick would have been Jimmie Johnson and/or Rafael Nadal..



    I think that most sports fans believe that someone else besides Manning should have won.  I really would have liked to see Rivera win and I am not sure but don't think that he ever won this award.  At least they didn't give it to LeBron again this year.  I really dislike him and don't ever want to see him win again. 



    If this is true it's a terrible injustice.  Mario Rivera embodies what a true sportsman should be in his performance, his behavior, and his demeanor. 




    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sportsman_of_the_Year 

    This is the list of si sportsman of the year.  Rivera never won it.  I agree that is a terrible injustice that he never won this award. 

     

     
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    Rivera should have won it in his dominant years like 98,99 2000 etc... A lot of great pro athletes like Kareem, Julius Erving, Yaz who were having last great tours in their last announced years didn't win sportsman of the year award from SI(Kareem did win it in 85 tough) I thought Ortiz would win it. Though Mo would not have been a bad choice. And niether is Peyton Manning. I know this is prime Patriot country(And yes I am a Pats fan) but what Peyton has done in his career is amazing. I would take Brady as a better QB but I believe Peyton was more important to his team. The year Brady was out the Pats finished 11-5 with Matt Cassell at QB. In 2011 the year Manning missed the whole year the Colts were 2-14 or 3-13. Trivia who is the only athlete to win SI Sportsman of the year award twice? Don't cheat or use Wikepedia. I do agree with Jete. My choice would have been Jimmy Johnson.

     
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    Brady and the Patriots will knock the Broncos out of the playoffs this year.  

    Patriots vs. the Seahawks in this year's Superbowl.   Cool

     

     

     
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    Brady and the Patriots will knock the Broncos out of the playoffs this year.  

    Patriots vs. the Seahawks in this year's Superbowl.   Cool

     

     




    I'll take that.

     
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    Agreed that it should have been Rivera. There were so many better choices than Manning, but I'm not surprised. 

    love Peyton as a QB, but totally agree there were probably better choices...my pick would have been Jimmie Johnson and/or Rafael Nadal..



    I think that most sports fans believe that someone else besides Manning should have won.  I really would have liked to see Rivera win and I am not sure but don't think that he ever won this award.  At least they didn't give it to LeBron again this year.  I really dislike him and don't ever want to see him win again. 



    If this is true it's a terrible injustice.  Mario Rivera embodies what a true sportsman should be in his performance, his behavior, and his demeanor. 




    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sportsman_of_the_Year 

    This is the list of si sportsman of the year.  Rivera never won it.  I agree that is a terrible injustice that he never won this award. 

     




    TErrible injustice?  A little dramatic, aren't we? 

     

    He certainly COULD have won it, as criteria seems to be all over the place, sometiems referrinf to career, sometimes the current season. 

     

    "Terrible injustuce" might be LeBron James winnig over Miguel Cabrea or Trout in 2012.  Rivera is one of those guys I could see winning it, but there is no way I would say it was some sort of injustice that he didd not.

     

    And I don't see why Manning is such a bad choice, either...

     
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    Rivera would have made a good choice for Sportsman of the Year if they considered his whole career.

      If they were judging solely for the 2013 calender year,the choice I would have made is for Big Papi.Besides having a pretty good regular season,he carried the Sox through the postseason and the World Series.Without him,the Sox would have never won their 3rd championship in the last 10 years.

    hey mojo...Happy Holidays bud...i think Verducci's  pick was Ortiz too...




    Morning Jete..and Merry Christmas!

    If its Sportsman OF THE YEAR, I would go with Uehara. The season he had was pretty unbelievable. On June 9 he gave up 2 ER; he gave up 2 ER after that for the rest of the season and only 9 ER for the whole year. ERA: 1.09 with 101 K's and 9 BBs and a WHIP of 0.565. For lifetime achievement, sure, Rivera, but not for what was done in one year.

     
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    Rivera would have made a good choice for Sportsman of the Year if they considered his whole career.

      If they were judging solely for the 2013 calender year,the choice I would have made is for Big Papi.Besides having a pretty good regular season,he carried the Sox through the postseason and the World Series.Without him,the Sox would have never won their 3rd championship in the last 10 years.

    hey mojo...Happy Holidays bud...i think Verducci's  pick was Ortiz too...




    Morning Jete..and Merry Christmas!

    If its Sportsman OF THE YEAR, I would go with Uehara. The season he had was pretty unbelievable. On June 9 he gave up 2 ER; he gave up 2 ER after that for the rest of the season and only 9 ER for the whole year. ERA: 1.09 with 101 K's and 9 BBs and a WHIP of 0.565. For lifetime achievement, sure, Rivera, but not for what was done in one year.

    ney Pumps...Merry Christmas..not for a single second will i take anything away from him, but i'd probably agree if Uehara had been your closer from Day 1..that said..i'd have no problem if it were him


     
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    Agreed that it should have been Rivera. There were so many better choices than Manning, but I'm not surprised. 

    love Peyton as a QB, but totally agree there were probably better choices...my pick would have been Jimmie Johnson and/or Rafael Nadal..



    I think that most sports fans believe that someone else besides Manning should have won.  I really would have liked to see Rivera win and I am not sure but don't think that he ever won this award.  At least they didn't give it to LeBron again this year.  I really dislike him and don't ever want to see him win again. 



    If this is true it's a terrible injustice.  Mario Rivera embodies what a true sportsman should be in his performance, his behavior, and his demeanor. 




    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sportsman_of_the_Year 

    This is the list of si sportsman of the year.  Rivera never won it.  I agree that is a terrible injustice that he never won this award. 

     




    TErrible injustice?  A little dramatic, aren't we? 

     

    He certainly COULD have won it, as criteria seems to be all over the place, sometiems referrinf to career, sometimes the current season. 

     

    "Terrible injustuce" might be LeBron James winnig over Miguel Cabrea or Trout in 2012.  Rivera is one of those guys I could see winning it, but there is no way I would say it was some sort of injustice that he didd not.

     

    And I don't see why Manning is such a bad choice, either...



    A little picky, aren't we?

    Ok, how about it's just an injustice? Sheesh

     
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