Suhprize! Henry et al don't love baseball

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    said the manager who was hired by a team one out away from world series....hes the last person who should be complaining about the roster....did he forget his philly years?

     
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    Maybe next we'll hear from management that the players don't love marketing.  

     
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    Don't care much about whether owners "love" or "like" baseball - not their job.  I do, however, take exception to anyone in the FO - owners or anyone else - suggesting Sox get "sexy" players.  That's a rather shallow approach and is insulting to fans and players alike.  Winning is all the sex appeal that is needed.

     
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    I have met Tom Werner. All I can say is that he seems to be a very very down to earth man. Liked him a lot.

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    Do you think Francona is making this up? 

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    Who cares if he is or isnt.  Rich people invest in a lot of things that may not give a hoot about... if it makes money then thats all that matters.... why would this be a revelation?

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    To tell Francona to win more excitingly, would be akin to a CEO telling a top producer to do his job in way that would be quite difficult to do and more importantly extremely risky to the quality of the product. He could do alright but the fact he would means that he isn't a good executive.

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    Not sure what your are trying to say here but the fact is that owners/investors dont have to love the product they have invested in.  Not everyone is or can be like Mark Cuban...

     
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    I've never seen this happen before

     
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    Things started to deteriorate in Tito's life after the last championship. Don't know if it was his meds, something just didn't seem right 2010, 2011. His last tow months in the clubhouse went really bad. Hope he's okay. Don't like ready about his 20 something stuff. 

     
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    This comment by Epstein quoted in the book seems to contradict what he said a year ago in a weei interview:

     

    Former Red Sox general manager Theo Epstein is quoted on Page 51 as saying,‘‘They told us we didn’t have any marketable players, that we needed some sizzle,’’ Epstein is quoted as saying. ‘‘We need some sexy guys. Talk about the tail wagging the dog. This is like an absurdist comedy. We'd become too big. It was the farthest thing removed from what we set out to be.’’

     

     

    No doubt Epstein was fully on board with acquiring AGon, and had this to say about the Crawford signing (a year ago in the weei interview):

     

    Chicago Cubs president of baseball operations, and former general manager of the Boston Red Sox, Theo Epstein, told WEEI Chicago today that Red Sox owner John Henry was against the signing of Carl Crawford.

    “When you own the team you can do that, and I think John is an organization-first kind of guy. Those were kind of unique circumstances,” Epstein told WEEI. “The bottom line was that’s right. I think John didn’t want to do that one, but everyone else did in the organization. Everyone knew it wasn’t perfect. You don’t set out one day looking to spend that kind of money, but I think where we were, with the core the Red Sox had in place, after acquiring Adrian Gonzalez and having the top three starters, Lester, Beckett and Buchholz, under control, there was a real opportunity to kind of separate the Red Sox talent-wise from the rest of the division for the next four to five years where you would have your core in place and you would be complimenting that core with smaller free agent signings and home-grown players from the farm system."

     

     
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    This is why I always said that Luchhino needed to butt out and let Theo do his job. It's not that he doesn't know anything about baseball. It's that his priority is not in signing players that will get the team the most wins. His priority is to sign the players that will make the biggest splash as far as marketing goes.

    This is where he and Theo have continually butted heads, IMO, and the reason for the gorilla suit escapade several years back. This is also the reason why Bill James did not have as much input the past few years. Ownership was headed in a different direction than Theo, Cherington, and James were.

    Thank goodness that ownership (mostly Larry) seems to have finally realized that their philosophy in building a team does not usually work. It starts with a strong farm system (and yes, hoarding those draft picks) and signing the best value players, not with signing the superstars.

    Score one for my man Theo.

     

     
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    I have met Tom Werner. All I can say is that he seems to be a very very down to earth man. Liked him a lot.

     



    Do you think Francona is making this up? 

     

     



    Who cares if he is or isnt.  Rich people invest in a lot of things that may not give a hoot about... if it makes money then thats all that matters.... why would this be a revelation?

     

     



    To tell Francona to win more excitingly, would be akin to a CEO telling a top producer to do his job in way that would be quite difficult to do and more importantly extremely risky to the quality of the product. He could do alright but the fact he would means that he isn't a good executive.

     

     



    Not sure what your are trying to say here but the fact is that owners/investors dont have to love the product they have invested in.  Not everyone is or can be like Mark Cuban...

     




    They hire people that know how to do their jobs. By not letting the people you hire do their jobs, it shows weakness by the owners. Do you think Kraft would tell Belichek to find more exciting ways to win? No because he is a good owner and runs his team like he runs his paper company. That is the difference between a good owner and bad. The ownership of the Red Sox look like bad owners recently.

     
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    The marketing idea results ( Crawford, Gonzalez ) sold Sports illustrated who the picked Boston to win the World Series and put them onto their cover. It sold Las Vegas also. It also worked on the national media who also picked Boston to win it all. Did it work here? Then in the door walked Murphy's Law.




    No in walked "sexy names" out walked win. If you can't see how this team was flawed the past three season you are just not a knowledge fan. You are what is called a pink hat.

     
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    Not surprised.... they have been bent on over-marketing since day one... selling bricks being one of the more recent ploys to grab more fame and fortune.

     

     

     
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    The Sox refused to let the team schedual day games on homestand finals....  shocked! The Braves and Cubs play most of their games in the day and yet the Red Sox continue to make us try and stay up until 11PM just to see the last out.

     

    I still don't why baseball thinks 7 and 8PM are the best start times for television. Football is great at 1PM or 6PM. 

     
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    "Both Tito and those overpaid players need to pay a lot of money back to the owners. "

    Why? CEOs don't pay back millions of dollars in undeserved pay and bonuses when their companies underperform. 

    Tito got the team two rings and boosted franchise value quite a bit in the process so not sure what your financial beef with him is.

     
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    Francona simply telling the truth.  I don't think there are any serious people who would say John Henry loves baseball - or Werner loves baseball.

    It's all about ringing out every red cent they can get from the fan base.

    It works as a business model.  The sellouts continued despit ethe horrible team last year.

     

     

     
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    Tito is just confirming what Theo already said.   The Sox should have traded most of their assets recently,  to add to the nice crop of prospects, but the marketing department dictated otherwise.  When will a few posters stop calling this a conspiracy theory?

    John Henry is more interested in driving revenues than the challenge of winning. On buying Liverpool, ""We've driven revenues as far as baseball will allow, and here was an opportunity to compete globally in a league without borders." .

     
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    Not sure why ownership spent 100K to find out why tv ratings were down. If you win, fans will come/watch. Putting a team together based on "sexy" names is good for other businesses, but not a good formula for sports in most cases.

    This Ownership has done a lot for our beloved Red Sox, but they have also driven them to one of the worst teams in MLB. Time for them to shut up and be owners. John and Tom just sit back in your luxury box and enjoy the game and write the checks. Larry, deal with the promotion and that side of the team. Lets BC and JF do their jobs and stop acting like you guys know more than them about putting together a team.

    The Patriots are a good model to follow. Even the owners of the C's allow DA and DR to do their jobs.

    You hire the guys you think will do the best job and back off. Micro-managing a team is not a sound idea which they have now seen first hand.

    I could care less if we had 9 bill muellers out there as long as we win.

     
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    Never seen a Pats fan bum out over a 1PM start time or a 6:30PM Super Bowl. Seen plenty of Sox fans even during the play-offs say they missed a lot of the game because it got too late.

     
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    Francona simply telling the truth.  I don't think there are any serious people who would say John Henry loves baseball - or Werner loves baseball.

    It's all about ringing out every red cent they can get from the fan base.

    It works as a business model.  The sellouts continued despit ethe horrible team last year.

     

     

    dont disagree but a profitable sports team has to be successful...the two kind of go hand in hand for the most part


     
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