Re: Sunday's game thread Mariners @ Sox
posted at 5/1/2011 3:24 PM EDT
- tom-uk
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Why where was the ball hit? Game center said deep left center and it's pretty deep out there.
I'm not knocking Papi he hit it pretty well. I am looking forward to seeing AGon do the same. I look at the homerun tracker site and I was surprised that a few homers I thought were pretty deep in left center were homers almost nowhere else. Mind you it might have been the wind that the sight also takes into account.
Re: Sunday's game thread Mariners @ Sox
posted at 5/1/2011 3:25 PM EDT
- dgalehouse
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Wake had only thrown 70 something pitches. Granted , he has not been starting lately but he was not really showing any signs of tiring. And , if you are going to the pen , why Jenks of all people. The guy has been horrible. Very strange thinking by Tito. This team is in such a rut. They keep finding new ways to lose.
Re: Sunday's game thread Mariners @ Sox
posted at 5/1/2011 3:28 PM EDT
- TheExaminer
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DUMB. Why take Wakefield out when he only needed one out? Think he would have given up a hit and walked three before he got that third out? Me either.
Re: Sunday's game thread Mariners @ Sox
posted at 5/1/2011 3:28 PM EDT
- lscheue
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Tito has little feel for pitchers. Why remove Wakefield for Jenks?
Re: Sunday's game thread Mariners @ Sox
posted at 5/1/2011 3:28 PM EDT
- ws04ed
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you got to be kidding me
Re: Sunday's game thread Mariners @ Sox
posted at 5/1/2011 3:29 PM EDT
francona thinks backwards.
Re: Sunday's game thread Mariners @ Sox
posted at 5/1/2011 3:29 PM EDT
- Encinitas
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This team is loaded with talent, but it continues to underperform.
The Francona era has run its course. His patience and ego management skills may have been valuable when we had a team filled with guys like Pedro, Schilling, Lowe, Manny, Damon etc. I do appreciate that he "managed" us to our two titles, but I have always felt his game management decisions have been a liability.
His current lethargy is costing this team games. You can not fire the whole team. Sooner or later, you need to make a change.
Now let's wait for the aopologists to come out and tell me that Francona "knows his team", blah, blah, blah. Using their logic, no manager ever gets replaced.
Re: Sunday's game thread Mariners @ Sox
posted at 5/1/2011 3:33 PM EDT
- Flapjack07
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I think we have to remember here that a lot of posters seem to think Francona should magically be able to pull starters BEFORE they give up any runs...if Wakefield had given up a couple more hits and run(s) resulted, the same people would be screaming and demanding to know why Tito didn't pull him.
I think Wake could have been left in for one more out too, but I also don't think the 20-20 hindsight whiners have much room to complain. If there's anything less than a perfect result in any situation, they'll find a way to blame Francona for it.
Re: Sunday's game thread Mariners @ Sox
posted at 5/1/2011 3:33 PM EDT
- dgalehouse
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Is there any doubt that Albers is better than Jenks?
Re: Sunday's game thread Mariners @ Sox
posted at 5/1/2011 3:34 PM EDT
- J-BAY
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In Response to Re: Sunday's game thread Mariners @ Sox : Absolutely no clue why he turned to Jenks in the first place when Albers, whose been by far the most effective middle reliever for us this year, was available.
Posted by LloydDobler
My guess is Lloyd, he wanted to get Jenks back out there after the last disaster, but after he walked in the first run, give him the hook. bring aceves up, jenks needs to go down and work on whatever the problem is
Re: Sunday's game thread Mariners @ Sox
posted at 5/1/2011 3:35 PM EDT
- royf19
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In Response to Re: Sunday's game thread Mariners @ Sox : As I said, I'm a big Tito guy, but nobody will defend this.
Posted by LloydDobler
I agree. I am curious to know why he pulled Wake instead of letting him finish the inning. I agree with having him on a short leash so if he gave up another hit, pull him.
And he should have had Jenks on a shorter leash considering how he's been pitching.
Re: Sunday's game thread Mariners @ Sox
posted at 5/1/2011 3:36 PM EDT
- J-BAY
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I think we have to remember here that a lot of posters seem to think Francona should magically be able to pull starters BEFORE they give up any runs...if Wakefield had given up a couple more hits and run(s) resulted, the same people would be screaming and demanding to know why Tito didn't pull him. I think Wake could have been left in for one more out too, but I also don't think the 20-20 hindsight whiners have much room to complain. If there's anything less than a perfect result in any situation, they'll find a way to blame Francona for it.
Posted by Flapjack07
agreed flap jack. the fact no one was warming didnt leave him much choice but why wasnt albers up sooner??
Re: Sunday's game thread Mariners @ Sox
posted at 5/1/2011 3:38 PM EDT
- dgalehouse
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I watched a spring training game this year in which Jenks could not get anyone out and blew a big lead to a bunch of Twins minor leaguers. I could see right then that there was a problem . All Remy and Orsillo did was laugh and joke about losing the coveted " Mayor's Trophy ." Not one word about how sloppy and out of shape Jenks was. Sure enough, he has continued to stink it up in the regular season.
Re: Sunday's game thread Mariners @ Sox
posted at 5/1/2011 3:41 PM EDT
- Encinitas
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Re: Sunday's game thread Mariners @ Sox:
I think we have to remember here that a lot of posters seem to think Francona should magically be able to pull starters BEFORE they give up any runs...if Wakefield had given up a couple more hits and run(s) resulted, the same people would be screaming and demanding to know why Tito didn't pull him. I think Wake could have been left in for one more out too, but I also don't think the 20-20 hindsight whiners have much room to complain. If there's anything less than a perfect result in any situation, they'll find a way to blame Francona for it.
Posted by Flapjack07
After finally gaining a little momentum, the team is at risk of dropping 5 of 6 to the likes of Baltimore and Seattle. You're facing one of the top pitchers in the league and have a small lead. Sounds like the perfect time to put in a guy that has been horrible in 4 of his last 6 appearances. Better yet, don't have anyone getting ready just in case. Instead let him walk in two runs while you sit and spit.
This is not an issue of fan hindsight, its a situation where the manager has no foresight.
Re: Sunday's game thread Mariners @ Sox
posted at 5/1/2011 3:41 PM EDT
- BOSOX1941
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I'm a big Tito guy, but I really don't get this.
Posted by LloydDobler
Welcome to the real world.
Re: Sunday's game thread Mariners @ Sox
posted at 5/1/2011 3:45 PM EDT
- dgalehouse
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In Response to
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I think we have to remember here that a lot of posters seem to think Francona should magically be able to pull starters BEFORE they give up any runs...if Wakefield had given up a couple more hits and run(s) resulted, the same people would be screaming and demanding to know why Tito didn't pull him. I think Wake could have been left in for one more out too, but I also don't think the 20-20 hindsight whiners have much room to complain. If there's anything less than a perfect result in any situation, they'll find a way to blame Francona for it.
Posted by Flapjack07
Well, he is the manager. The buck has to stop with him. You have to really stretch it to defend his moves in that inning.
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Re: Sunday's game thread Mariners @ Sox
posted at 5/1/2011 3:47 PM EDT
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I watched a spring training game this year in which Jenks could not get anyone out and blew a big lead to a bunch of Twins minor leaguers. I could see right then that there was a problem . All Remy and Orsillo did was laugh and joke about losing the coveted " Mayor's Trophy ." Not one word about how sloppy and out of shape Jenks was. Sure enough, he has continued to stink it up in the regular season.
Posted by dgalehouse
BINGO! Yahtzee!
Re: Sunday's game thread Mariners @ Sox
posted at 5/1/2011 3:51 PM EDT
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Coming to this forum is more fun than going to the circus. You guys don't deserve to have a winning team. I do love this entertainment though and it is free. Go Yankees.
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You have a very sad life my friend. You're the type who's life is so miserable that the only way you feel better about yourself is to revel in the misery of others!
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Re: Sunday's game thread Mariners @ Sox
posted at 5/1/2011 3:51 PM EDT
- dgalehouse
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I don't care what anyone says, Carl Crawford is an outstanding ballplayer and it is only a matter of time before he starts to click. How can anyone give up on him?
Re: Sunday's game thread Mariners @ Sox
posted at 5/1/2011 3:51 PM EDT
- ws04ed
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jenks is only good when thear up by 4
Re: Sunday's game thread Mariners @ Sox
posted at 5/1/2011 3:54 PM EDT
- dgalehouse
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Before this game started, I think most of us would have been happy with a 2-2 game and both bullpens in. Now we have to find a way to win this one.
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Re: Sunday's game thread Mariners @ Sox
posted at 5/1/2011 4:03 PM EDT
- J-BAY
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only 7 pitches for paps. he can go back out for 10th if necessary.....which i hope isnt
Re: Sunday's game thread Mariners @ Sox
posted at 5/1/2011 4:04 PM EDT
- OV
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Wakefield, once again, comes through in what has to be a very difficult situation... resigned to mop up duty and emergency starts... tough to be ready under those conditions... can't ask for much more than what he gave today.... too bad that Jenks can't seem to get anybody out at the moment.
