"Tampa has superior pitching"

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    "Tampa has superior pitching"

    It's become gospel that the Rays have better pitching than the Sox.

    But a lot of people perpetuating this myth are ignorning that the Sox are either better or comparable to Tampa in numerous pitching categories. The Sox, for instance, have a better staff ERA, have more quality starts, better K/9 rates, etc. 

    David Price, for instance, gets touted as this amazing ace. But John Lackey has been arguably the better pitcher this year and has a higher WAR to back it up.

    When you factor in that the Sox have comparable pitching and an unquestionably better and deeper lineup (they've scored almost 100 runs more than the Rays, granted they've played a few more games), I see no reason why the Sox shouldn't be heavy favorites to win the division. 

     

     
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    You need to be very, very careful what you post my friend. That Goofy Genius is watching, and the walls have ears. His rewards for loyalty are lavish, his punishments for insolence are equally lavish. From the rising of the sun to the going down of the same, that Goofy Genius shall be lauded on this forum. Consider this a tribute from a LOYAL poster.

     

     
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    It's become gospel that the Rays have better pitching than the Sox.

    But a lot of people perpetuating this myth are ignorning that the Sox are either better or comparable to Tampa in numerous pitching categories. The Sox, for instance, have a better staff ERA, have more quality starts, better K/9 rates, etc. 

    David Price, for instance, gets touted as this amazing ace. But John Lackey has been arguably the better pitcher this year and has a higher WAR to back it up.

    When you factor in that the Sox have comparable pitching and an unquestionably better and deeper lineup (they've scored almost 100 runs more than the Rays, granted they've played a few more games), I see no reason why the Sox shouldn't be heavy favorites to win the division. 

     



    Really the difference between Boston and Rays is the run scoring differential.  Boston have plus 133 while Tampa have plus 51.  Meaning that is two and half time more than Rays at the same time, Boston just have a good run support where it helped the starting pitcher to feel confortable for most games of the year.

     

     
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    Two things scare me most about the Rays:

    1) They have the best offense they have ever had, and they've gone far on much less in the past.

    2) While all the numbers you stated are signifcant, look at our numbers vs LHPs and think about our chances if we end up facing Price and Moore 4 times in a series against Tampa.

     

    I'd still call us the favorites head-to-head, but some of the match-ups scare me.

    Sox4ever

     
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    It's become gospel that the Rays have better pitching than the Sox.

    But a lot of people perpetuating this myth are ignorning that the Sox are either better or comparable to Tampa in numerous pitching categories. The Sox, for instance, have a better staff ERA, have more quality starts, better K/9 rates, etc. 

    David Price, for instance, gets touted as this amazing ace. But John Lackey has been arguably the better pitcher this year and has a higher WAR to back it up.

    When you factor in that the Sox have comparable pitching and an unquestionably better and deeper lineup (they've scored almost 100 runs more than the Rays, granted they've played a few more games), I see no reason why the Sox shouldn't be heavy favorites to win the division. 

     



    Its not really debateable is it. Overall, our pitching is better than theirs. Our team ERA+ ranks fifth in the AL; theirs is 8th. However, if you are trying to say that you think Lackey is as good as Price, you are mistaken. Price is the reigning Cy Young winner who started off the season poorly but since July 2 his ERA is 1.97. Lackey has been consistently good, but he is not better than Price.

     
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    It's become gospel that the Rays have better pitching than the Sox.

    But a lot of people perpetuating this myth are ignorning that the Sox are either better or comparable to Tampa in numerous pitching categories. The Sox, for instance, have a better staff ERA, have more quality starts, better K/9 rates, etc. 

    David Price, for instance, gets touted as this amazing ace. But John Lackey has been arguably the better pitcher this year and has a higher WAR to back it up.

    When you factor in that the Sox have comparable pitching and an unquestionably better and deeper lineup (they've scored almost 100 runs more than the Rays, granted they've played a few more games), I see no reason why the Sox shouldn't be heavy favorites to win the division. 

     

     



    Its not really debateable is it. Overall, our pitching is better than theirs. Our team ERA+ ranks fifth in the AL; theirs is 8th. However, if you are trying to say that you think Lackey is as good as Price, you are mistaken. Price is the reigning Cy Young winner who started off the season poorly but since July 2 his ERA is 1.97. Lackey has been consistently good, but he is not better than Price.

     



    Lackey has been arguably better than Price this year overall. While Price certainly has come on as of late, you can't just pick a date like July 2 and act like the other months did not happen. Him winning the Cy Young Award last year is also irrelevant to this year. 

     
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    If they are such heavy favorites , why are the inept Tampa Bay Rays always breathing down their necks?

    If the Red Sox have such superior pitching:

    a. why trade for Peavy?

    b.why are the Yankees , who have had a ton of injuries still in the race?

    c. why didn't they shutout the weak teams like Houston, Kansas City and San Francisco?

    When all the Red Sox starters are pitching well, they have a good enough staff to finish ahead of the Rays.....but many of these pitchers have been inconsistent, exception being Lackey , who has been fairly consistent. Lester, Doubront and Dempster have had their ups and downs...too small a sample size on Peavy, he's been fair, good, better and best ( for one game).

    Tampa Bay exists with pitching. They teach how to stay ahead in the count, how to pitch in certain counts, etc. , from single A right up to the MLB level. As a small market team, they know the will never afford the HR hitters like Pujols and Cabrera. They approach the game from defense first, because they have to do it that way in order to compete.

    You have to admit, considering their payroll, the sure give the big boys a run for their money.

    In my mind the TB GM should win executive of the year, every year.

    "Advertising is legalized lying."- H.G.Wells

     
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    If they are such heavy favorites , why are the inept Tampa Bay Rays always breathing down their necks?

    If the Red Sox have such superior pitching:

    a. why trade for Peavy?

    b.why are the Yankees , who have had a ton of injuries still in the race?

    c. why didn't they shutout the weak teams like Houston, Kansas City and San Francisco?

    When all the Red Sox starters are pitching well, they have a good enough staff to finish ahead of the Rays.....but many of these pitchers have been inconsistent, exception being Lackey , who has been fairly consistent. Lester, Doubront and Dempster have had their ups and downs...to small a sample size on Peavy, he's been fair, good, better and best ( for one game).

    Tampa Bay exists with pitching. They teach how to stay ahead in the count, how to pitch in certain counts, etc. , from single A right up to the MLB level. As a small market team, they know the will never afford the HR hitters like Pujols and Cabrera. They approach the game from defense first, because they have to do it that way in order to compete.

    You have to admit, considering their payroll, the sure give the big boys a run for their money.

    In my mind the TB GM should win executive of the year, every year.

    "Advertising is legalized lying."- H.G.Wells



    Tampa Bay has a pro baseball team?

     
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    If they are such heavy favorites , why are the inept Tampa Bay Rays always breathing down their necks?

    If the Red Sox have such superior pitching:

    a. why trade for Peavy?

    b.why are the Yankees , who have had a ton of injuries still in the race?

    c. why didn't they shutout the weak teams like Houston, Kansas City and San Francisco?

    When all the Red Sox starters are pitching well, they have a good enough staff to finish ahead of the Rays.....but many of these pitchers have been inconsistent, exception being Lackey , who has been fairly consistent. Lester, Doubront and Dempster have had their ups and downs...to small a sample size on Peavy, he's been fair, good, better and best ( for one game).

    Tampa Bay exists with pitching. They teach how to stay ahead in the count, how to pitch in certain counts, etc. , from single A right up to the MLB level. As a small market team, they know the will never afford the HR hitters like Pujols and Cabrera. They approach the game from defense first, because they have to do it that way in order to compete.

    You have to admit, considering their payroll, the sure give the big boys a run for their money.

    In my mind the TB GM should win executive of the year, every year.

    "Advertising is legalized lying."- H.G.Wells

     



    Tampa Bay has a pro baseball team?

     



    I stopped making fun of them when they were in the World Series and we were thinking about next year.

     
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    If they are such heavy favorites , why are the inept Tampa Bay Rays always breathing down their necks?

     

     



    bingo

     

    we have a winner

     

    to bad this site  doesn't have polls

    (probably wouldn't work anyways )

    I'm thinking even here

    price beats out lackey for who you want to pitch tonight

     
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    It's become gospel that the Rays have better pitching than the Sox.

    But a lot of people perpetuating this myth are ignorning that the Sox are either better or comparable to Tampa in numerous pitching categories. The Sox, for instance, have a better staff ERA, have more quality starts, better K/9 rates, etc. 

    David Price, for instance, gets touted as this amazing ace. But John Lackey has been arguably the better pitcher this year and has a higher WAR to back it up.

    When you factor in that the Sox have comparable pitching and an unquestionably better and deeper lineup (they've scored almost 100 runs more than the Rays, granted they've played a few more games), I see no reason why the Sox shouldn't be heavy favorites to win the division. 

     Stats never win the world series. The team that scores the most in each game wins period !!!

      Best of seven not best of 162.....


     
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    If they are such heavy favorites , why are the inept Tampa Bay Rays always breathing down their necks?

    If the Red Sox have such superior pitching:

    a. why trade for Peavy?

    b.why are the Yankees , who have had a ton of injuries still in the race?

    c. why didn't they shutout the weak teams like Houston, Kansas City and San Francisco?

    When all the Red Sox starters are pitching well, they have a good enough staff to finish ahead of the Rays.....but many of these pitchers have been inconsistent, exception being Lackey , who has been fairly consistent. Lester, Doubront and Dempster have had their ups and downs...too small a sample size on Peavy, he's been fair, good, better and best ( for one game).

    Tampa Bay exists with pitching. They teach how to stay ahead in the count, how to pitch in certain counts, etc. , from single A right up to the MLB level. As a small market team, they know the will never afford the HR hitters like Pujols and Cabrera. They approach the game from defense first, because they have to do it that way in order to compete.

    You have to admit, considering their payroll, the sure give the big boys a run for their money.

    In my mind the TB GM should win executive of the year, every year.

    "Advertising is legalized lying."- H.G.Wells



    While I too think the Rays have built a solid organization and derserve a tip of the cap...It's amazing what you can do when you stockpile draft picks for a decade and then accept corporate welfare to sign them to longterm, team friendly contracts. Enough already with the look what they do on a small market payroll...they recieve a check for more than 30M per year from MLB revenue sharing.

     
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    It's become gospel that the Rays have better pitching than the Sox.

    But a lot of people perpetuating this myth are ignorning that the Sox are either better or comparable to Tampa in numerous pitching categories. The Sox, for instance, have a better staff ERA, have more quality starts, better K/9 rates, etc. 

    David Price, for instance, gets touted as this amazing ace. But John Lackey has been arguably the better pitcher this year and has a higher WAR to back it up.

    When you factor in that the Sox have comparable pitching and an unquestionably better and deeper lineup (they've scored almost 100 runs more than the Rays, granted they've played a few more games), I see no reason why the Sox shouldn't be heavy favorites to win the division. 

     

     

     



    Its not really debateable is it. Overall, our pitching is better than theirs. Our team ERA+ ranks fifth in the AL; theirs is 8th. However, if you are trying to say that you think Lackey is as good as Price, you are mistaken. Price is the reigning Cy Young winner who started off the season poorly but since July 2 his ERA is 1.97. Lackey has been consistently good, but he is not better than Price.

     

     



    Lackey has been arguably better than Price this year overall. While Price certainly has come on as of late, you can't just pick a date like July 2 and act like the other months did not happen. Him winning the Cy Young Award last year is also irrelevant to this year. 

     



    Let me put it to you this way: in a one game do or die playoff, would you want Lackey or Price as your SP? I am not trying to put Lackey down; he has had an excellent season and has been consistently good. But right now I would take Price hands down.

     
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    Re: Tampa has superior pitching

    If the opinion is that Tampa's pitching is better but our offense is better, I would like to know(haven't researched the stats) what our Average Runs per game are vs the Rays. What's our pitchers' ERA vs them & vice versa.


    With these stats it'd be easier to determine who is a favorite.

     
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    is it verboten to wish Dempster sticks one in Maddon's ear?

     
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    If they are such heavy favorites , why are the inept Tampa Bay Rays always breathing down their necks?

    If the Red Sox have such superior pitching:

    a. why trade for Peavy?

    b.why are the Yankees , who have had a ton of injuries still in the race?

    c. why didn't they shutout the weak teams like Houston, Kansas City and San Francisco?

    When all the Red Sox starters are pitching well, they have a good enough staff to finish ahead of the Rays.....but many of these pitchers have been inconsistent, exception being Lackey , who has been fairly consistent. Lester, Doubront and Dempster have had their ups and downs...too small a sample size on Peavy, he's been fair, good, better and best ( for one game).

    Tampa Bay exists with pitching. They teach how to stay ahead in the count, how to pitch in certain counts, etc. , from single A right up to the MLB level. As a small market team, they know the will never afford the HR hitters like Pujols and Cabrera. They approach the game from defense first, because they have to do it that way in order to compete.

    You have to admit, considering their payroll, the sure give the big boys a run for their money.

    In my mind the TB GM should win executive of the year, every year.

    "Advertising is legalized lying."- H.G.Wells

     

     



    While I too think the Rays have built a solid organization and derserve a tip of the cap...It's amazing what you can do when you stockpile draft picks for a decade and then accept corporate welfare to sign them to longterm, team friendly contracts. Enough already with the look what they do on a small market payroll...they recieve a check for more than 30M per year from MLB revenue sharing.

     

     

     



    Kind of makes you wish the Red Sox weren't owned by a multi-millionaire, doesn't it?

     

    TB payroll- 57,030,272

    RS payroll- 158,967,286

    ...that's right we pay a HUNDRED million dollars more to be 2 games ahead of these beggars....these lowlifes...these chiselers....THE NERVE OF THEM TO BE COMPETING WITH US!!!

     
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    If they are such heavy favorites , why are the inept Tampa Bay Rays always breathing down their necks?

    If the Red Sox have such superior pitching:

    a. why trade for Peavy?

    b.why are the Yankees , who have had a ton of injuries still in the race?

    c. why didn't they shutout the weak teams like Houston, Kansas City and San Francisco?

    When all the Red Sox starters are pitching well, they have a good enough staff to finish ahead of the Rays.....but many of these pitchers have been inconsistent, exception being Lackey , who has been fairly consistent. Lester, Doubront and Dempster have had their ups and downs...to small a sample size on Peavy, he's been fair, good, better and best ( for one game).

    Tampa Bay exists with pitching. They teach how to stay ahead in the count, how to pitch in certain counts, etc. , from single A right up to the MLB level. As a small market team, they know the will never afford the HR hitters like Pujols and Cabrera. They approach the game from defense first, because they have to do it that way in order to compete.

    You have to admit, considering their payroll, the sure give the big boys a run for their money.

    In my mind the TB GM should win executive of the year, every year.

    "Advertising is legalized lying."- H.G.Wells

     

     



    Tampa Bay has a pro baseball team?

     

     

     



    I stopped making fun of them when they were in the World Series and we were thinking about next year.

     



    I will NEVER stop making fun of them, I dont care if they win the next ten WS. Rays suck, Goofy Genius is a loser.

     
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    is it verboten to wish Dempster sticks one in Maddon's ear?



    Not at all. Pitchers coming back from long stints away from the mound sometimes encounter control issues. If a pitch happened to be, oh, a hundred or so feet off the plate it would not be out of the ordinary.

     
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    It's become gospel that the Rays have better pitching than the Sox.

    But a lot of people perpetuating this myth are ignorning that the Sox are either better or comparable to Tampa in numerous pitching categories. The Sox, for instance, have a better staff ERA, have more quality starts, better K/9 rates, etc. 

    David Price, for instance, gets touted as this amazing ace. But John Lackey has been arguably the better pitcher this year and has a higher WAR to back it up.

    When you factor in that the Sox have comparable pitching and an unquestionably better and deeper lineup (they've scored almost 100 runs more than the Rays, granted they've played a few more games), I see no reason why the Sox shouldn't be heavy favorites to win the division. 

     

     

     



    Its not really debateable is it. Overall, our pitching is better than theirs. Our team ERA+ ranks fifth in the AL; theirs is 8th. However, if you are trying to say that you think Lackey is as good as Price, you are mistaken. Price is the reigning Cy Young winner who started off the season poorly but since July 2 his ERA is 1.97. Lackey has been consistently good, but he is not better than Price.

     

     



    Lackey has been arguably better than Price this year overall. While Price certainly has come on as of late, you can't just pick a date like July 2 and act like the other months did not happen. Him winning the Cy Young Award last year is also irrelevant to this year. 

     

     



    Let me put it to you this way: in a one game do or die playoff, would you want Lackey or Price as your SP? I am not trying to put Lackey down; he has had an excellent season and has been consistently good. But right now I would take Price hands down.

     




    I thought you were a big fan of consistency.

    Lackey has been more consistent this year.

    What he hasn't gotten is run support.

    Judging by the numbers, I'd take him over Price.

     
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    While I too think the Rays have built a solid organization and derserve a tip of the cap...It's amazing what you can do when you stockpile draft picks for a decade and then accept corporate welfare to sign them to longterm, team friendly contracts. Enough already with the look what they do on a small market payroll...they recieve a check for more than 30M per year from MLB revenue sharing.

    Certainly a small handful of the current Rays' players are a result of having top draft picks year after year, but a huge part of their team was built through trading players just before the declined sharply, signing journeymen free agents who have career or near career high seasons with them, and stockpiling comp draft picks by playing the system better than anyone else.

    Teams like the Sox would get roasted if they ever traded away a guy like Shields, Kazmir, Garza, and Bartlett, but those trades are part of what has kept them doing so well while remaining positioned to be good for years to come- even at a low payroll budget.

    This team lost Shields, had some key players injured this year, and an off year from Hellickson, and yet they are still one of the best teams in MLB.

    Moore was drafted in the 8th round. Cobb in the 4th.  Jennings in the 10th. They got Archer and others for Garza, Alex Torres and Sean Rodriguez for Kazmir, Myers and a couple other nice prospects for Shields, and Gomes and Ramos for Bartlett. Edwin Jackson for Matt Joyce. Dietrich for Escobar. Lobaton off waivers from the Padres. Key signings like Loney, Rodney, Kelly Johnson, Molina and others have helped as well.

    Yes, Longoria and Price were top picks. Yes, they are a huge part of this team's sucess. But, they are much more than just these two guys.

    As I told softy so many times, for so many years, the Tampa Bay Rays will not fade away.

     

    Sox4ever

     
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    Let me put it to you this way: in a one game do or die playoff, would you want Lackey or Price as your SP? I am not trying to put Lackey down; he has had an excellent season and has been consistently good. But right now I would take Price hands down.

    And if both teams needed to use Price and Lackey to win the final regular season game to even get to the WC, I'd take Moore over Peavy or Lester as well. Once you get down to Archer, Hellickson, Cobb or Hernandez, then I think we have the edge.

    Sox4ever

     
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    I think I read earlier today Helickson was being sent down for a little R & R. He will not be doing any pitching until he comes back up soon.

     
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    It's become gospel that the Rays have better pitching than the Sox.

    But a lot of people perpetuating this myth are ignorning that the Sox are either better or comparable to Tampa in numerous pitching categories. The Sox, for instance, have a better staff ERA, have more quality starts, better K/9 rates, etc. 

    David Price, for instance, gets touted as this amazing ace. But John Lackey has been arguably the better pitcher this year and has a higher WAR to back it up.

    When you factor in that the Sox have comparable pitching and an unquestionably better and deeper lineup (they've scored almost 100 runs more than the Rays, granted they've played a few more games), I see no reason why the Sox shouldn't be heavy favorites to win the division. 

     

     

     



    Its not really debateable is it. Overall, our pitching is better than theirs. Our team ERA+ ranks fifth in the AL; theirs is 8th. However, if you are trying to say that you think Lackey is as good as Price, you are mistaken. Price is the reigning Cy Young winner who started off the season poorly but since July 2 his ERA is 1.97. Lackey has been consistently good, but he is not better than Price.

     

     



    Lackey has been arguably better than Price this year overall. While Price certainly has come on as of late, you can't just pick a date like July 2 and act like the other months did not happen. Him winning the Cy Young Award last year is also irrelevant to this year. 

     

     



    Let me put it to you this way: in a one game do or die playoff, would you want Lackey or Price as your SP? I am not trying to put Lackey down; he has had an excellent season and has been consistently good. But right now I would take Price hands down.

     




     
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    why all this praise for Lackey, he always pitches just bad enough to lose and he is a loser

     
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    If they are such heavy favorites , why are the inept Tampa Bay Rays always breathing down their necks?

    If the Red Sox have such superior pitching:

    a. why trade for Peavy?

    b.why are the Yankees , who have had a ton of injuries still in the race?

    c. why didn't they shutout the weak teams like Houston, Kansas City and San Francisco?

    When all the Red Sox starters are pitching well, they have a good enough staff to finish ahead of the Rays.....but many of these pitchers have been inconsistent, exception being Lackey , who has been fairly consistent. Lester, Doubront and Dempster have had their ups and downs...too small a sample size on Peavy, he's been fair, good, better and best ( for one game).

    Tampa Bay exists with pitching. They teach how to stay ahead in the count, how to pitch in certain counts, etc. , from single A right up to the MLB level. As a small market team, they know the will never afford the HR hitters like Pujols and Cabrera. They approach the game from defense first, because they have to do it that way in order to compete.

    You have to admit, considering their payroll, the sure give the big boys a run for their money.

    In my mind the TB GM should win executive of the year, every year.

    "Advertising is legalized lying."- H.G.Wells

     

     



    While I too think the Rays have built a solid organization and derserve a tip of the cap...It's amazing what you can do when you stockpile draft picks for a decade and then accept corporate welfare to sign them to longterm, team friendly contracts. Enough already with the look what they do on a small market payroll...they recieve a check for more than 30M per year from MLB revenue sharing.

     

     

     



    Kind of makes you wish the Red Sox weren't owned by a multi-millionaire, doesn't it?

     

    TB payroll- 57,030,272

    RS payroll- 158,967,286

    ...that's right we pay a HUNDRED million dollars more to be 2 games ahead of these beggars....these lowlifes...these chiselers....THE NERVE OF THEM TO BE COMPETING WITH US!!!



    I think you missed the point of my post. The reason the Red Sox payroll is what it is has nothing to do with the owners wealth...it has to do with we the fans and our hard earned moneys spent in support of the team. Conversely the Rays very existence depends on the money's they receive from MLB. Moneys they have used to fund their payroll and sign guys like Longoria to long term deals. 

     I respect what the Rays ownership and management have built but they couldn't exist in that market without the benevolence of MLB. As for their current payroll if they had to pay market value for Longoria and Price those two alone would be close to 50M. The dynamics at play in Tampa are not that dissimilar to what existed in Oakland when they had Hudson, Zito & Mulder. both teams share one thing in common...both won a ton of games then failed to resign the marque names when they became eligible for free agency...neither has won a ring and with Price on the cusp of free agency we shall see if the Rays can continue their current run when he's wearing pinstripes...

     

     

     
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