Team Seniority

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    Team Seniority

    While looking at the 40 man roster ordered by team seniority for being on the 40-man posted on soxprospects.com, I found it interesting how there is hardly anyone that has been on the Sox 25 man roster for more than 2-3 years.

     

    Here's the list by time on 40 man roster seniority:

    1) Ortiz

    2) Lester

    3) Pedroia

    4) Buchholz

    5) Doubront

    6) Tazawa

    7) Lackey

    8) Miller

    9) Lava

    10) Middy

    11) Britton

    12) Nava

    13) Breslow

    14) Ross

    15) Webster/de la Rosa

     
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    Re: Team Seniority

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    While looking at the 40 man roster ordered by team seniority for being on the 40-man posted on soxprospects.com, I found it interesting how there is hardly anyone that has been on the Sox 25 man roster for more than 2-3 years.

     

    Here's the list by time on 40 man roster seniority:

    1) Ortiz

    2) Lester

    3) Pedroia

    4) Buchholz

    5) Doubront

    6) Tazawa

    7) Lackey

    8) Miller

    9) Lava

    10) Middy

    11) Britton

    12) Nava

    13) Breslow

    14) Ross

    15) Webster/de la Rosa

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    How about the homegrown talent highlighted in yellow!

     
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    In response to moonslav59's comment:
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    While looking at the 40 man roster ordered by team seniority for being on the 40-man posted on soxprospects.com, I found it interesting how there is hardly anyone that has been on the Sox 25 man roster for more than 2-3 years.

     

    Here's the list by time on 40 man roster seniority:

    1) Ortiz

    2) Lester

    3) Pedroia

    4) Buchholz

    5) Doubront

    6) Tazawa

    7) Lackey

    8) Miller

    9) Lava

    10) Middy

    11) Britton

    12) Nava

    13) Breslow

    14) Ross

    15) Webster/de la Rosa

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    How about the homegrown talent highlighted in yellow!

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    Tazawa is home grown as well.

     
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    Re: Team Seniority

    Haha.  Old-timer Junichi Tazawa.

     
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    Re: Team Seniority

    This is the direction under BEN C......  The days of the "FAT-CAT"  $$$$ AND durations are OVAAAA  !!!

     
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    Re: Team Seniority

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    In response to slasher9's comment:
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    In response to moonslav59's comment:
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    While looking at the 40 man roster ordered by team seniority for being on the 40-man posted on soxprospects.com, I found it interesting how there is hardly anyone that has been on the Sox 25 man roster for more than 2-3 years.

     

    Here's the list by time on 40 man roster seniority:

    1) Ortiz

    2) Lester

    3) Pedroia

    4) Buchholz

    5) Doubront

    6) Tazawa

    7) Lackey

    8) Miller

    9) Lava

    10) Middy

    11) Britton

    12) Nava

    13) Breslow

    14) Ross

    15) Webster/de la Rosa

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    How about the homegrown talent highlighted in yellow!

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    Tazawa is home grown as well.

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    ... and the list will likely get longer if they selectively extend more home grown talent going forward.  There are not many bargains available in the FA market these days.  (Compare what almost half a billion dollars got the Yanks this year with what they got back in 2008.)   

     
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    In response to Bill-806's comment:
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    This is the direction under BEN C......  The days of the "FAT-CAT"  $$$$ AND durations are OVAAAA  !!!

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    Bill, what do you think about Clay Buchholz' health?

     
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    Re: Team Seniority

    The others after the top 16...

    17 Wilson

    18 Wright

    19 Butler

    20 Vazquez

    21 Hassan

    22 Gomes

    23 Victorino

    24 Uehara

    25 Holt

    26 Napoli

    27 Carp

    28 JBJ

    29 Workman

    30 Peavy

    (Wow, 10 guys added since we traded for Peavy)

    31 Bogaerts

    32 Ranaudo

    33 Cecchini

    34 Brentz

    35 Badenhop

    36 AJ P

    37 Mujica

    38 Herrera

    39 Sizemore

    40 Capuano

     
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    Re: Team Seniority

    In response to SpacemanEephus' comment:
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    In response to Bill-806's comment:
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    This is the direction under BEN C......  The days of the "FAT-CAT"  $$$$ AND durations are OVAAAA  !!!

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    Bill, what do you think about Clay Buchholz' health?

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    Lets talk about that in September.

     

     

     
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    In response to Bill-806's comment:
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    This is the direction under BEN C......  The days of the "FAT-CAT"  $$$$ AND durations are OVAAAA  !!!

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    So you're not in favor of extending Lester, Bogaerts, etc?

     
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    Re: Team Seniority

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    In general since the trade with the Dodgers Ben has made it his strategy to sign FAs for less years ( short contracts) by overpaying them ( on an annual cost basis), steering away from long term contracts with prohibitive costs,  keeping his top prospects, not forfeiting draft picks by signing FAs with qualifying offers, signing back up parts when available, and developing a minor league system that is rated very high.

     

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    While Victorino was not "longterm", it wasn't really a short deal either.

    We gave up a draft pick by keeping Napoli.

    We gave up Melancon for Hanrahan.

    We traded one top young player Iggy.

    But otherwise, you are right.

     

    (Note: nice actual post about baseball- keep it up!)

     
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    In response to JoseLaguna's comment:
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    In general since the trade with the Dodgers Ben has made it his strategy to sign FAs for less years ( short contracts) by overpaying them ( on an annual cost basis), steering away from long term contracts with prohibitive costs,  keeping his top prospects, not forfeiting draft picks by signing FAs with qualifying offers, signing back up parts when available, and developing a minor league system that is rated very high.

    What Bill said above wasn't that far away from the FO strategy. 

    [/QUOTE]Thank you....... 


     
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    In response to SpacemanEephus' comment:
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    In response to Bill-806's comment:
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    This is the direction under BEN C......  The days of the "FAT-CAT"  $$$$ AND durations are OVAAAA  !!!

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    Bill, what do you think about Clay Buchholz' health?

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    Lets talk about that in September.

     

     

    [/QUOTE]It could be as early as June or July !!


     
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    Re: Team Seniority

    In response to Bill-806's comment:

     

    This is the direction under BEN C......  The days of the "FAT-CAT"  $$$$ AND durations are OVAAAA  !!!

     




     

     
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    This is the direction under BEN C......  The days of the "FAT-CAT"  $$$$ AND durations are OVAAAA  !!!

    [/QUOTE]YES ???????????????????????


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    Re: Team Seniority

    ...a blind squirrel...

     
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    Re: Team Seniority

    In response to moonslav59's comment:
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    In response to JoseLaguna's comment:
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    In general since the trade with the Dodgers Ben has made it his strategy to sign FAs for less years ( short contracts) by overpaying them ( on an annual cost basis), steering away from long term contracts with prohibitive costs,  keeping his top prospects, not forfeiting draft picks by signing FAs with qualifying offers, signing back up parts when available, and developing a minor league system that is rated very high.

     

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    While Victorino was not "longterm", it wasn't really a short deal either.

    We gave up a draft pick by keeping Napoli.

    We gave up Melancon for Hanrahan.

    We traded one top young player Iggy.

    But otherwise, you are right.

     

    (Note: nice actual post about baseball- keep it up!)

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    Your wording is off on Napoli. "Game up" makes it sound like the Sox lost a draft pick by keeping Napoli. You can't lose what you never had. The Sox didn't lose a draft pick by keeping Napoli. They just didn't gain one as they would have had they let him go.

     

     
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    Re: Team Seniority

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    In response to moonslav59's comment:
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    In response to JoseLaguna's comment:
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    In general since the trade with the Dodgers Ben has made it his strategy to sign FAs for less years ( short contracts) by overpaying them ( on an annual cost basis), steering away from long term contracts with prohibitive costs,  keeping his top prospects, not forfeiting draft picks by signing FAs with qualifying offers, signing back up parts when available, and developing a minor league system that is rated very high.

     



    While Victorino was not "longterm", it wasn't really a short deal either.

    We gave up a draft pick by keeping Napoli.

    We gave up Melancon for Hanrahan.

    We traded one top young player Iggy.

    But otherwise, you are right.

     

    (Note: nice actual post about baseball- keep it up!)

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    Your wording is off on Napoli. "Game up" makes it sound like the Sox lost a draft pick by keeping Napoli. You can't lose what you never had. The Sox didn't lose a draft pick by keeping Napoli. They just didn't gain one as they would have had they let him go.

     

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    If we did not keep Napoli, we'd have another draft pick. If Ben was all about gaining draft picks, he could have found another 1B solution, including in house youth movement solutions such as Middy and Cecchini (with Carp getting more PAs). My point was that Ben is taking more of a balanced approach and is not all about youth and longterm future enhancement. (Which is fine by me, by the way)

    I get that technically we did not "lose a draft pick", but almost certainly Napoli would be signed by now, unlike Drew, so we'd be plus another pick had we chose to let him walk.

     
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    Re: Team Seniority

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    In response to moonslav59's comment:
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    While looking at the 40 man roster ordered by team seniority for being on the 40-man posted on soxprospects.com, I found it interesting how there is hardly anyone that has been on the Sox 25 man roster for more than 2-3 years.

     

    Here's the list by time on 40 man roster seniority:

    1) Ortiz

    2) Lester

    3) Pedroia

    4) Buchholz

    5) Doubront

    6) Tazawa

    7) Lackey

    8) Miller

    9) Lava

    10) Middy

    11) Britton

    12) Nava

    13) Breslow

    14) Ross

    15) Webster/de la Rosa

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    How about the homegrown talent highlighted in yellow!

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    Like they said, Tazawa is kind of home grown, as he was no other team's player before the Sox...just overseas. But you could also consider Miller, Webster and de la Rosa too. They were brought in as minor league prospects. That's just as important in my eyes. Really, out of all these guys, Lackey is the only big FA signing. Papi was brought in as a nobody project and blew up, Ross as a backup catcher, and Breslow is a middle of the pen arm. I really love how Theo, and now Ben have set this system up for success.

     

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