Re: Teams Defense heading to Play-offs.
posted at 10/3/2013 2:47 AM EDT
In response to notin's comment:
In response to andrewmitch's comment:
That's what I thought - undocumented...
Do you mean the GS in the game when we won 11-2 with the best post season pitcher in history on the mound?
So let me get this straight. Baseball players agree to the terms of their contract - to play in front of fans....And get paid at least 10X more than the average person (in JD's case like 300X more)...The reason why you get paid all of the money is because the FANS get to watch you and.....because they pay VERY GOOD MONEY to watch you WORK.........And then when a fan doesn't think he got his money worth out of you and complains, the fan is a bad person?
Is it relevant what kind of personal problems one has when they are paid to get a job done? Most bosses I know don't care what you have going on at home - if you aren't performing you are going to hear it. And you may get canned. What does JD have to worry about in that regard? He can not get fired without pay....Lots of hard working people have to put up with much more more than Drew does so you'd be wise not to try and play that card.
Stick to the facts please.....if you can furnish any......I provided 2 hard facts involving Drew where his DEFENSE cost us 2 very crucial games......maybe even another WS victory in fact.
You provided 2 facts, but with very far-reaching conclusions.
Per Game 2, get real. Fernando Perez was one of, if not the fastest player in MLB. It would have taken an insanely good throw to get him. Would Kapler have done it? Buford? Or better yet, Brunansky? And blaming JD Drew for that loss is crazy anyway, since Beckett was the problem in that game, giving up 8 runs in less than 5 innings. Ellsbury (0 for 6) was the big negative with the bat, which was the case for most of the 2008 post-season, whereas Drew was an absolute monster for the 2008 post-season in the clutch sense. Game 1 of the ALDS, he absolutely CRUSHED the game-winning home run off K-Rod, and on a night when the wind was killing EVERYTHING. Remember Howie Kendrick’s fly out earlier? Who didn’t think that was gone the second it left the bat? (Or was it Torii Hunter? It was one of those two.) Drew also was the biggest part of the tremendous comeback in game 5 of the ALCS, with a 2 run home run in the 8th to set up Crisp’s dramatic game-tying hit, and then Drew also the game winning hit over Gabe Gross’ head in the ninth. It’s silly to say he cost the Sox a World Series when he was instrumental in more wins, one of which was an elimination game. It’s even sillier than blaming Buckner for 1986.
We could just as easily point out some of his great plays. For example, 3 days before your “evidence” in that 2010 game, the Sox were hosting a double header against the Mariners. In the eighth inning of game one, with 2 men on base and the Sox up by two, Drew made a terrific catch to rob Russ Branyan of a go-ahead home run. Does Drew get credit for that? Or do you write that off as a plan anyone and everyone should have made. I am really not sure how you figure that one August game to be “very crucial” (your words, not mine) when the 2010 Red Sox finished the season 83-79 and 7 games out of first, but I would think the catch 3 days earlier at the very least balanced it out.
It’s easy to point to any player and grab a bad play here and there. Did fans rave for years about Orlando Cabrera’s defense? Did Cabrera make the error that allowed the winning run to score in his very first game in Boston? Did this make him a bad defender? Did that error cost the Sox the division? How crucial was that game? Was it “very crucial”?
Drew was a very good defensive right fielder, complaining about his RBI totals and not liking his contract or not advocating his signing will not change this. Drew was overpaid and appeared apathetic, which rubbed many the wrong way. He was not an aggressive hitter, which may did not like. He missed a lot of time, which never sat well. He did not fit into the “dirt dog” public image, and was just too clean. He also annoyed the baseball world with his very public failed contract negotiations with the Phillies. You know, the kind that happen EVERY YEAR with draft picks, yet somehow only Drew was ever held accountable to the point where he was booed in Philadelphia for the rest of his career. Mark Teixeira and Brandon Belt refused to sign with Boston. Are either booed perennially in Fenway for it? (Teixeira might be booed for eschewing the Sox as a free agent and for being a Yankee, but not for what happened as a draft pick.) Will you be booing Belt on his first trip to Boston? How about Justin Grimm, Nick Tepesch or Yasmani Grandal?
His defense was hard to notice sometimes, because he made it look too easy. Most outfielders, even veterans, practice things like charging ground balls so as to field them with the proper leg forward, and even in games stutter-step these charges to make it happen. Drew made these plays seamlessly and effortlessly. He just charged the ball and came up throwing in one motion. It was so sweet and smooth that no one noticed. It was like how, early in his career, he could seemingly take 90 degree corners when rounding 2B, changing direction without changing speed. It was just so perfect it seemed inhuman.
Documenting the odd “runner out at third” play is also silly, as many outfielders do not get challenged. And some even try to lure runners into challenging them, like Brad Hawpe, who was famous for this kind of thing, since everyone knew he had a great arm and he liked to show it off. We all saw him try to dupe Mike Lowell into going to third in game two of the 2007 World Series by jogging to a single in RF. Lowell beat Hawpe’s throw, and scored the winning run on a sac fly that game.
And that single to right field was by …. JD Drew. This guy is everywhere.
And comparing MLB players work situations to regular people is not a way to win the argument. They, like all entertainers, are massively overpaid. Agreed. That does not make them inhuman. And your comparison is about half a century out of date, as many bosses DO care about what is going on at home. You’ve never left work because your spouse was ill or had an accident? (If not, good for you, and hopefully you won’t have to.) Or took a day off when a relative passed away? Did you ever call in and say “I can’t come in today, because my child is sick.” Did your boss say “I DON’T CARE! YOU GET IN HERE! DROP THAT KID OFF AT AN ORPHANGE OR SOMETHING!” In fact, nowadays, many college graduates bring parents to job interviews, and this is apparently becoming an accepted practice. (I won’t comment about it, just acknowledge it.) So yes, as a parent, I can understand a badly injured child affecting someone at work, especially if work involves a lot of separation. I mean, if we are going to compare our jobs to MLB players, please direct me to the message board where people complain about you, your performance, and your pay scale.
I remember once reading a post on another MLB website where one fan said “No one thinks JD Drew is a bad player except Red Sox fans.” That really sums it all up….
This is why I vote for Notin whenever those threads come up about favorite/most knowledgable posters. Really beautiful post. Well done. It shows how misinformed some posters are about Drew and his abilities to make it look easy.
And let's hope that Andrew, or anyone here for that matter, never have to explain to a 1-year-old why they they are confined to a full-body cast and can't move. Heartbreaking to even think about for any father.