Ted Williams……………..

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    Top 8 from the big 4?


     


    Russell & Bird


    Orr & Esposito


    Williams & Ortiz


    Brady & John Hannah


     


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    Top 8 from the big 4?


     


     


     


    Russell & Bird


     


    Orr & Esposito


     


    Williams & Ortiz


     


    Brady & John Hannah


     


     


     


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    I believe you nailed it except I'd prefer Cam Neely over Espo.

     
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    Top 8 from the big 4?


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


    Russell & Bird


     


     


     


    Orr & Esposito


     


     


     


    Williams & Ortiz


     


     


     


    Brady & John Hannah


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


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    I believe you nailed it except I'd prefer Cam Neely over Espo.


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    No complaints with Neely over Espo, but Orr & Espo were who turned me onto hockey, so they have a special place in my heart.

     
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    Bill Russell won a ton of titles, also coached, and has an Olympic gold medal, none of which Williams won. Before Russell, the Celtics couldn't win spit.   I am astounded anyone would put Larry Bird ahead of Bill Russell. 


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


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    Before Russell there wasn't much basketball to speak of.  I am not saying who goes first.  What Bird did was to sellout the Garden every night.  Obvious it was different eras but Bird was awesome to watch.  Bird was the equivalent to babe ruth as far as calling shots. Bird brought Hoop back to Boston and made it the number one sport while here.


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


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    Bird is also white, which certainly helped to sell out the Garden. 


     


     


     


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    When I put the OP together and bounced Bird  and Russell back and forth, I chose Bird, but there is no wrong answer between the two. Also, when I noticed the other 3 were white, I just knew someone would point that out.


     


     


     


    However, the crux of my OP was is there any other city in sports that can come up with a comparable 4?


     


     


     


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    The challenge!


     


     


     


    Boston:


     


     


     


    MLB: Williams


     


     


     


    NFL: Brady


     


     


     


    NBA: Bird


     


     


     


    NHL: Orr


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


    The challengers!


     


     


     


    Chicago:


     


     


     


    MLB: Ernie Banks


     


     


     


    NFL Walter Payton


     


     


     


    NBA: Michael Jordon


     


     


     


    NHL: Bobby Hull


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


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    MLB: Ty Cobb


     


     


     


    NFL: Barry Sanders


     


     


     


    NBA: Isiah Thomas


     


     


     


    NHL: Gordie Howe


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


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    MLB: Sandy Koufax


     


     


     


    NFL:  Norm Van Brocklin


     


     


     


    NBA: Kobe Bryant


     


     


     


    NHL: Wayne Gretzky


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


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    MLB: Babe Ruth


     


     


     


    NFL:  Lawrence Taylor


     


     


     


    NBA:  Patrick Ewing


     


     


     


    NHL:  Mike Bossy


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


    Philadelphia


     


     


     


    MLB: Mike Schmidt


     


     


     


    NFL: Reggie White


     


     


     


    NBA: Julius Irving


     


     


     


    NHL: Eric Lindros


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


    The biggest surprise to me is Detroit, followed closely by Philadelphia.   I could have gone with Bobby Clarke over Lindros, but Lindros was something special cut short by disease.  I also did not deduct points on Isiah Thomas for his ability to destroy everything he touched in his post-playing career.  And I did consider Bill Laimbeer as an alternative,  but mostly because he played a Sleestak on the original “Land of the Lost” TV series.  (That is TRUE!! And AWESOME!!)  But neither is Bird.   Or even Cousy, for that matter.


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


    With Detroit, you have to give them Cobb over Williams.  And really, Howe over Orr, too.  Don’t fight it.  Boston has a clear edge in NBA.  But NFL?  Brady over Sanders?  The only possible argument is that Sanders career was too short.  But if you make it, you really, really, really lose your ability to fight for Orr over the geriatric Howe.   I’m tempted to take the one man Barry Sanders show here.  Brady was great; Sanders was amazing.


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


    I think with Philadelphia, I might be tempted to go with White over Brady, but give Boston the other three.   Reggie White is easily the best defensive player in NFL history, and not much stacks up against that.


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


    New York certainly has some stellar talent, although surprisingly no better Knick than Ewing (not that Ewing was anything but a great player).  Don’t be fooled by the presence of Mike Bossy over, say, Rod Gilbert or Mark Messier.  Bossy was better, at least for a New York team.  And I had to go with LT for football.  He was an inhuman wrecking machine unleashed on a hapless NFL.   With New York, I say Ruth over Williams, but Bird over Ewing.  The NFL and NHL match ups are tough, but maybe I give Orr the edge over the very underrated Bossy.  LT vs Brady is a tough match up.  I’ll take Brady, because at least he did not make an awful TV show like “First and Ten.”   (and I am taking Laimbeer over LT in the TV show category.)


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


    LA gives the biggest basketball dilemma.  As much as I cannot stand Kobe Bryant, I do think he was (yeah, was) a better player than Johnson, O’Neal or Abdul-Jabbar, and I don’t think that is an insult to any of them.   However, I wouldn’t argue if someone insisted on substituting, either.  At least not much.   Still, I like Boston in NBA, MLB and NFL here.  Even the LA Gretzky gets the nod over Orr.  Were I able to take the entire Fearsome Foursome, maybe LA has a chance at the NFL, but with one player, I had to choose the very underrated but nonetheless unexciting Van Brocklin.  Point – Boston.   And Williams easily over Koufax, who might be the most overrated player in MLB history (which does not mean he was not great, just gets a little too much love).


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


    Of these cities, the best argument is for Chicago.   While Banks is no Williams, does Boston really have an answer for Jordan, Payton or Hull?  Brady over Payton?  Tough to argue due to the different positions, but we are talking about Sweetness here.  The only question here is – is Payton the right choice?  From a pure electricity standpoint, I could have taken the brief career of Gale Sayers.  Really, there are arguments for both, and I think both over Brady.


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


    So I would say Detroit and Chicago can rival that foursome from Boston…


     


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    Excellent post. You're arguments are well founded. As far as placing Gretzky over Orr, I'll just quote Terry O'reilly, a teammate of Orr's. "Goaltenders being equal, 5 Bobby Orr's will beat 5 Wayne Gretzky's."


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    Terry O'Reilly aside, the only question is Boston's Orr vs. LA's Gretzky, as opposed to the newer, flashier Edmonton model.   However, as I think I gave Boston the other 3 sports, it doesn't matter much.


     


    However, I did see Detroit and Chicago giving Boston a run for its money with the elite 4.  And I disagree with whoever suggested Joe Jackson over Ernie Banks for Chicago baseball.  Though Jackson is more famous/notorious for his time with the White Sox, a lot of his better days came in Cleveland...

     
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    The Notin post took me ten minutes to schroll through. 


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    I think the goal is to frustrate us enough so we never come back. Of Course, the other option would be that they don't know what they're doing.

     

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