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    thanks Theo

    you can love him or hate him....but give the guy credit. he said he was going to build the RS from the inside out by restocking the farm system. he did not stay to see the fruits of his labor, but he did a fantastic job.
    RS fans look back at that Pedroia, Ells, LEster, Youk, Pap, etc run of players we had for a period, I think these next 3 years could be better.
    Its very early, but the FOLLOWING 3 years, again looks very, very good as well...
    granted, not everyone will pan out, and prospects are chips to improve the big league team, either thru call up or in trades...I dont recall a time in RS history where we have had 20-25 players in the farm system that WILL play in the major leagues

     
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    Theo's last two drafts (2011 &2010) are shaping up to look REALLY good.  Still let's give some credit to director of amateur scouting Amiel Sawdaye.  Who is still the director of amateur scouting today for what it's worth.  I haven't really seen anything to impressive out of the 2012 draft class yet, but that was also a very weak year after perhaps one of their best drafts in a long time so that can maybe kind of explain why it looks subpar.  I really think the Sox did a much better job in this years draft than last year (having the 7th pick helped).  Of course all this can't come without saying you can never truly evaluate a draft class until 4-5 years after the point.  (I would make the argument that it could be even longer) 

     
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    You could be right.  He was not as good with trades.

     
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    You could be right.  He was not as good with trades.



    Theo was not as good....or Ben C is not good with trades?

     
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    Theo have nothing to do with the farm system.  Really we should applauded Theo for hiring an excellent scouting staffs who helped Theo to picked out the best players around the world.  Ben C. was part of it too.

    Anyway, you are right that Theo are so awful on buying free agents.  He wasnt too bad on making a trade.  Remember his best trade was to get Curt Schiiling and getting rid of Nomar and Manny, both were clubhouse cancer players.  Cant say about Lowell cuz Theo wasnt around that time due to contract dispute.

    It is too early to say about Ben C.  So far he is doing a good job except signing Dempster. That may be his biggest mistake that he made so far!!

     
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    Theo's last two drafts (2011 &2010) are shaping up to look REALLY good.  Still let's give some credit to director of amateur scouting Amiel Sawdaye.  Who is still the director of amateur scouting today for what it's worth.  I haven't really seen anything to impressive out of the 2011 draft class yet, but that was also a very weak year after perhaps one of their best drafts in a long time so that can maybe kind of explain why it looks subpar.  I really think the Sox did a much better job in this years draft than last year (having the 7th pick helped).  Of course all this can't come without saying you can never truly evaluate a draft class until 4-5 years after the point.  (I would make the argument that it could be even longer) 



    you cannot refer to 2011, right? that draft produced Barnes, JBJ, Swihart, Owens, Betts, Ramirez, Shaw, Ott. Perhaps you mean 2012, but 3-4 years down the line everyone will be talking about Light, Buttrey, and Marrero will be in the major leagues, but most likely not with the RS

     
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    I graded Theo with a C+ with his Drafts. His best Draft was the year he Drafted Ellsbury, then for a few years he did not do much.

     

     

     
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    Theo's last two drafts (2011 &2010) are shaping up to look REALLY good.  Still let's give some credit to director of amateur scouting Amiel Sawdaye.  Who is still the director of amateur scouting today for what it's worth.  I haven't really seen anything to impressive out of the 2011 draft class yet, but that was also a very weak year after perhaps one of their best drafts in a long time so that can maybe kind of explain why it looks subpar.  I really think the Sox did a much better job in this years draft than last year (having the 7th pick helped).  Of course all this can't come without saying you can never truly evaluate a draft class until 4-5 years after the point.  (I would make the argument that it could be even longer) 

     



    you cannot refer to 2011, right? that draft produced Barnes, JBJ, Swihart, Owens, Betts, Ramirez, Shaw, Ott. Perhaps you mean 2012, but 3-4 years down the line everyone will be talking about Light, Buttrey, and Marrero will be in the major leagues, but most likely not with the RS

     



    First I said the 2010 and 2011 drafts were shaping up to look VERY good.  I meant to write the 2012 draft has (so far) been a bit dissapointing.  yes that was a typo...thank you. 

     
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    Although Theo didnt draft Lester or Youk, he has had some very good draft results. Id say he accomplished what he said he was going to to with the farm system. BC was right there and somehow involved in those moves too since hes been here from 1999 to present, starting out in scouting and development and working his way to GM.

    Jonathan Papelbon (FA), David Murphy (traded) 2003

    Dustin Pedroia, Cla Meredith (traded) 2004 class

    Jacoby Ellsbury, Clay Buchholz, Jed Lowrie (traded), Craig Hanson (traded), Michael Bowden (traded) 2005

    Daniel Bard, Ryan Kalish, and Justin Masterson (traded) 2006

    Will Middlebrooks, Drake Britton, and Anthony Rizzo (traded) 2007

    Ryan Lavarnway, Ryan Westmorland, Christian Vasquez, and Casey Kelly(traded) 2008

    Alex Wilson, Shannon Wilkerson, Jeremy Hazelbaker, Alex Hassan, Reymond Fuentes(traded) 2009

    Bryce Brentz, Anthony Ranaudo, Brandon Workman, Sean Coyle, Garin Cecchini, Chris Hernandez, Keith Couch 2010

    Matt Barnes, Blake Swihart, Henry Owens, Jackie Bradley Jr., Noe Ramirez, Mookie Betts, Cody Kukuk, Travis Shaw, Matty Ott,  David Chester 2011

    Thats a partial list of names of the players that Theo drafted. Obviously its not all of them. Its the ones we know well, ones that we are just now getting to know, and a few we should be learning about very soon. Also a few that we have traded away that have gone on to, or about to start their MLB career in another city.

    Id say he did what he said he set out to do in regards to stocking the farm system. Thanks Theo for some pretty spectacular drafts.

     
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    Although Theo didnt draft Lester or Youk, he has had some very good draft results. Id say he accomplished what he said he was going to to with the farm system. BC was right there and somehow involved in those moves too since hes been here from 1999 to present, starting out in scouting and development and working his way to GM.

    Jonathaqn Papelbon (FA), David Murphy (traded) 2003

    Dustin Pedroia, Cla Meredith (traded) 2004 class

    Jacoby Ellsbury, Clay Buchholz, Jed Lowrie (traded), Craig Hanson (traded), Michael Bowden (traded) 2005

    Daniel Bard, Ryan Kalish, and Justin Masterson (traded) 2006

    Will Middlebrooks, and Anthony Rizzo (traded) 2007

    Lavarnway, Ryan Westmorland, and Vasquez, Casey Kelly(traded) 2008

    Alex Wilson, Shannon Wilkerson, Jeremy Hazelbaker, Alex Hassan, Reymond Fuentes(traded) 2009

    Bryce Brentz, Anthony Ranaudo, Brandon Workman, Sean Coyle, Garin Cecchini, Chris Hernandez, Keith Couch 2010

    Matt Barnes, Blake Swihart, Henry Owens, Jackie Bradley Jr., Noe Ramirez, Mookie Betts, Cody Kukuk, Travis Shaw, Matty Ott,  David Chester

    Thats a partial list of names of the players that Theo drafted. Obviously its not all of them. Its the ones we know well, ones that we are just now getting to know, and a few we should be learning about very soon. Also a few that we have traded away that have gone on to, or about to start their MLB career in another city.

    Id say he did what he said he set out to do in regards to stocking the farm system. Thanks Theo for some pretty spectacular drafts.

     



    Sorry disagree with you, about spectacular Drafts. With a wait a see from 2009 on.

     

     

     
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    Although Theo didnt draft Lester or Youk, he has had some very good draft results. Id say he accomplished what he said he was going to to with the farm system. BC was right there and somehow involved in those moves too since hes been here from 1999 to present, starting out in scouting and development and working his way to GM.

    Jonathaqn Papelbon (FA), David Murphy (traded) 2003

    Dustin Pedroia, Cla Meredith (traded) 2004 class

    Jacoby Ellsbury, Clay Buchholz, Jed Lowrie (traded), Craig Hanson (traded), Michael Bowden (traded) 2005

    Daniel Bard, Ryan Kalish, and Justin Masterson (traded) 2006

    Will Middlebrooks, and Anthony Rizzo (traded) 2007

    Lavarnway, Ryan Westmorland, and Vasquez, Casey Kelly(traded) 2008

    Alex Wilson, Shannon Wilkerson, Jeremy Hazelbaker, Alex Hassan, Reymond Fuentes(traded) 2009

    Bryce Brentz, Anthony Ranaudo, Brandon Workman, Sean Coyle, Garin Cecchini, Chris Hernandez, Keith Couch 2010

    Matt Barnes, Blake Swihart, Henry Owens, Jackie Bradley Jr., Noe Ramirez, Mookie Betts, Cody Kukuk, Travis Shaw, Matty Ott,  David Chester

    Thats a partial list of names of the players that Theo drafted. Obviously its not all of them. Its the ones we know well, ones that we are just now getting to know, and a few we should be learning about very soon. Also a few that we have traded away that have gone on to, or about to start their MLB career in another city.

    Id say he did what he said he set out to do in regards to stocking the farm system. Thanks Theo for some pretty spectacular drafts.

     

     



    Sorry disagree with you, about spectacular Drafts. 

     

     

     

     



    We agree to disagree. Maybe our views of spectactlular are different when judging draft classes. With such a low rate of success when it comes to prospects, I think Theo&Co. did a great job evaluating top round AND lower round talent. The success rate, IMO, was high when he was here, and the 2010, 2011 classes look like they will produce a few more valuable players.

     

     
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    Theo have nothing to do with the farm system.  Really we should applauded Theo for hiring an excellent scouting staffs who helped Theo to picked out the best players around the world.  Ben C. was part of it too.

    Anyway, you are right that Theo are so awful on buying free agents.  He wasnt too bad on making a trade.  Remember his best trade was to get Curt Schiiling and getting rid of Nomar and Manny, both were clubhouse cancer players.  Cant say about Lowell cuz Theo wasnt around that time due to contract dispute.

    It is too early to say about Ben C.  So far he is doing a good job except signing Dempster. That may be his biggest mistake that he made so far!!



    If IRC...  Schilling was a FA.  Did'nt Theo spend Thanksgiving with the Schillings,  and that's when he signed onto the Sox?

     
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    Theo's last two drafts (2011 &2010) are shaping up to look REALLY good.  Still let's give some credit to director of amateur scouting Amiel Sawdaye.  Who is still the director of amateur scouting today for what it's worth.  I haven't really seen anything to impressive out of the 2011 draft class yet, but that was also a very weak year after perhaps one of their best drafts in a long time so that can maybe kind of explain why it looks subpar.  I really think the Sox did a much better job in this years draft than last year (having the 7th pick helped).  Of course all this can't come without saying you can never truly evaluate a draft class until 4-5 years after the point.  (I would make the argument that it could be even longer) 

     



    you cannot refer to 2011, right? that draft produced Barnes, JBJ, Swihart, Owens, Betts, Ramirez, Shaw, Ott. Perhaps you mean 2012, but 3-4 years down the line everyone will be talking about Light, Buttrey, and Marrero will be in the major leagues, but most likely not with the RS

     



    Of that group only JBJ has seen action in the majors, and he has been disappointing at that level. The rest of them are question marks. I am going to reserve judgement until I see them actually perform in the majors, which is the ONLY real barometer that can be used to judge them.

     
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    Theo Epstein was the first person from the Red Sox to give me his autograph.  He signed my jersey but I could tell that he was a bit annoyed by my excitement to see him.   LOL

     

     
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    Theo have nothing to do with the farm system.  Really we should applauded Theo for hiring an excellent scouting staffs who helped Theo to picked out the best players around the world.  Ben C. was part of it too.

    Anyway, you are right that Theo are so awful on buying free agents.  He wasnt too bad on making a trade.  Remember his best trade was to get Curt Schiiling and getting rid of Nomar and Manny, both were clubhouse cancer players.  Cant say about Lowell cuz Theo wasnt around that time due to contract dispute.

    It is too early to say about Ben C.  So far he is doing a good job except signing Dempster. That may be his biggest mistake that he made so far!!

     

     



    If IRC...  Schilling was a FA.  Did'nt Theo spend Thanksgiving with the Schillings,  and that's when he signed onto the Sox?

     

     

     



    It was to convince Schilling to come to Boston. I think he might have had a no-trade clause. But it was a trade. Casey Fossum was involved.

    EDIT: Looked it up to find all the players. MIchael Goss, Brandon Lyon and Jorge De La Roas were the other guys with Fossum.

     
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    Theo have nothing to do with the farm system.  Really we should applauded Theo for hiring an excellent scouting staffs who helped Theo to picked out the best players around the world.  Ben C. was part of it too.

    Anyway, you are right that Theo are so awful on buying free agents.  He wasnt too bad on making a trade.  Remember his best trade was to get Curt Schiiling and getting rid of Nomar and Manny, both were clubhouse cancer players.  Cant say about Lowell cuz Theo wasnt around that time due to contract dispute.

    It is too early to say about Ben C.  So far he is doing a good job except signing Dempster. That may be his biggest mistake that he made so far!!

     

     



    If IRC...  Schilling was a FA.  Did'nt Theo spend Thanksgiving with the Schillings,  and that's when he signed onto the Sox?

     

     

     



    It was to convince Schilling to come to Boston. I think he might have had a no-trade clause. But it was a trade. Casey Fossum was involved.

     




    They sent Casey Fossum, Brandon Lyon, Jorge DeLaRosa, and OF Michael Gross

     
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    Theo have nothing to do with the farm system.  Really we should applauded Theo for hiring an excellent scouting staffs who helped Theo to picked out the best players around the world.  Ben C. was part of it too.

    Anyway, you are right that Theo are so awful on buying free agents.  He wasnt too bad on making a trade.  Remember his best trade was to get Curt Schiiling and getting rid of Nomar and Manny, both were clubhouse cancer players.  Cant say about Lowell cuz Theo wasnt around that time due to contract dispute.

    It is too early to say about Ben C.  So far he is doing a good job except signing Dempster. That may be his biggest mistake that he made so far!!

     



    If IRC...  Schilling was a FA.  Did'nt Theo spend Thanksgiving with the Schillings,  and that's when he signed onto the Sox?

     



    Not is was a trade, he need to waive his no trade clause.

     
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    Theo's last two drafts (2011 &2010) are shaping up to look REALLY good.  Still let's give some credit to director of amateur scouting Amiel Sawdaye.  Who is still the director of amateur scouting today for what it's worth.  I haven't really seen anything to impressive out of the 2011 draft class yet, but that was also a very weak year after perhaps one of their best drafts in a long time so that can maybe kind of explain why it looks subpar.  I really think the Sox did a much better job in this years draft than last year (having the 7th pick helped).  Of course all this can't come without saying you can never truly evaluate a draft class until 4-5 years after the point.  (I would make the argument that it could be even longer) 

     



    you cannot refer to 2011, right? that draft produced Barnes, JBJ, Swihart, Owens, Betts, Ramirez, Shaw, Ott. Perhaps you mean 2012, but 3-4 years down the line everyone will be talking about Light, Buttrey, and Marrero will be in the major leagues, but most likely not with the RS

     

     



    Of that group only JBJ has seen action in the majors, and he has been disappointing at that level. The rest of them are question marks. I am going to reserve judgement until I see them actually perform in the majors, which is the ONLY real barometer that can be used to judge them.

     



    Not really they are resources, if you can trade them for a good player, I would consider that a success regardless of how the player turns out.

     
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    Don't forget to thank Theo for one of his international free agent signings, a Mr. Iglesias.

     
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    Don't forget to thank Theo for one of his international free agent signings, a Mr. Iglesias.



    There were times when I would vent because Farrell would sit Iggy.  My girlfriend would say, "Relax, honey, it's just a game."  Oh I made her regret saying that.   LOL

     

     

     
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    Theo's last two drafts (2011 &2010) are shaping up to look REALLY good.  Still let's give some credit to director of amateur scouting Amiel Sawdaye.  Who is still the director of amateur scouting today for what it's worth.  I haven't really seen anything to impressive out of the 2011 draft class yet, but that was also a very weak year after perhaps one of their best drafts in a long time so that can maybe kind of explain why it looks subpar.  I really think the Sox did a much better job in this years draft than last year (having the 7th pick helped).  Of course all this can't come without saying you can never truly evaluate a draft class until 4-5 years after the point.  (I would make the argument that it could be even longer) 

     



    you cannot refer to 2011, right? that draft produced Barnes, JBJ, Swihart, Owens, Betts, Ramirez, Shaw, Ott. Perhaps you mean 2012, but 3-4 years down the line everyone will be talking about Light, Buttrey, and Marrero will be in the major leagues, but most likely not with the RS

     

     

     



    Of that group only JBJ has seen action in the majors, and he has been disappointing at that level. The rest of them are question marks. I am going to reserve judgement until I see them actually perform in the majors, which is the ONLY real barometer that can be used to judge them.

     

     



    Not really they are resources, if you can trade them for a good player, I would consider that a success regardless of how the player turns out.

     



    They represent POTENTIAL, nothing more. Right now they all sit in the minors and as such have given the organization nothing. They have not produced at the ML level and they have not brought the team anyone who has produced either. We will see how they work out. Don't get me wrong: I think that several of them WILL eventually make good with the team, but I am reserving judgement until that happens.

     
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    For a while Theo was good at getting the most for the compensation picks.  With the change in compensation picks, don't expect to see him build the cub farm system the same way.

    A lot of the credit also goes to a great Pawsox organization.

     
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    Don't forget to thank Theo for one of his international free agent signings, a Mr. Iglesias.

     




     Xander Bogaerts and Felix Doubront too

     

     
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    Don't forget to thank Theo for one of his international free agent signings, a Mr. Iglesias.

     




     Xander Bogaerts and Felix Doubront too

     



    Very true.

     

     

     
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