The 3K Hit Club

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    The 3K Hit Club


    My Personal Ranking


     Player        Hits         BA   Rank  
    Pete Rose         4,256 .303  10
    Ty Cobb†         4,191 .367    2
    Hank Aaron† 3,771 .305    3  
    Stan Musial† 3,630 .331    4
    Tris Speaker† 3,514 .345    6  
    C. Yastrzemski 3,419 .285 18    
    Cap Anson         3,418 .334 23
    Honus Wagner† 3,415 .328    5
    Paul Molitor† 3,319 .306 25
    Eddie Collins† 3,315 .333   9
    Willie Mays† 3,283 .302   1
    Eddie Murray† 3,255 .287 21
    Nap Lajoie†      3,242        .338     8
     C. Ripken, Jr.† 3,184 .276   20
    George Brett† 3,154 .305   12  
    Paul Waner† 3,152 .333   17  
    Robin Yount† 3,142 .285 26
    Tony Gwynn† 3,141 .338   13  
    Dave Winfield† 3,110 .283 24
    Craig Biggio       3,060 .281 28
    R. Henderson† 3,055 .279 11  
    Rod Carew         3,053        .328  16  
    Lou Brock          3,023        .293  15
    Rafael Palmeiro 3,020 .288 27
    Wade Boggs† 3,010 .328 22  
    Al Kaline†         3,007 .297  19
    Derek Jeter        3,004       .313   14
    R. Clemente† 3,000 .317   7 
     
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    [QUOTE]My Personal Ranking  Player        Hits  BA Rank   Pete Rose         4,256 .303  9 Ty Cobb†         4,191 .367    2 Hank Aaron† 3,771 .305    3   Stan Musial† 3,630 .331    4 Tris Speaker† 3,514 .345    7   C. Yastrzemski 3,419 .285 19     Cap Anson       3,418 .334 21 Honus Wagner† 3,415 .328  5 Paul Molitor† 3,319 .306 25 Eddie Collins† 3,315 .333 10 Willie Mays† 3,283 .302  1 Eddie Murray† 3,255 .287 23 Nap Lajoie        3,242 .338    8   C. Ripken, Jr.† 3,184 .276   22 George Brett† 3,154 .305   12   Paul Waner† 3,152 .333   18   Robin Yount† 3,142 .285 26 Tony Gwynn† 3,141 .338   13   Dave Winfield† 3,110 .283 24 Craig Biggio       3,060 .281 28 R. Henderson† 3,055 .279 11   Rod Carew        3,053 .328   17   Lou Brock        3,023 .293 16 Rafael Palmeiro 3,020 .288 27 Wade Boggs† 3,010 .328 15   Al Kaline†         3,007 .297 20 Derek Jeter    3,004 .313 14 R. Clemente† 3,000 .317  6 
    Posted by nhsteven[/QUOTE]

    No disrespect intended nh, but do you realize how many 3000 hit club and Jeter threads we have had here recently?  It's almost impossible to judge these guys from all different decades of play.  Most of us have never even seen them play so how do we judge on Stats alone?
     
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    This will sound stupid, but I totally forgot that Biggio has over 3000.  I also didn't know that Clemente had exactly 3000.  Nice post. 
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to The 3K Hit Club :   Yaz 6th and jeter 27th...   'Nuff said....the Jeter beating continues.....
    Posted by prknsdnld[/QUOTE]

    Apparently you can't read tables, it's ordered by Hits: My Ranks for them are Yaz 18, Jeter 14  
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: The 3K Hit Club : Apparently you can't read tables, it's ordered by Hits: My Ranks for them are Yaz 18, Jeter 14  
    Posted by nhsteven[/QUOTE]
       Yup, you are right. I aplogize. Nice job.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: The 3K Hit Club :    Ypu, you are right. I aplogize. Nice job.
    Posted by prknsdnld[/QUOTE]

    OK
     
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    Honus Wagner was the only other still playing SS when got his 3k, that is in a way more impressive than the 3k hits...
     
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    [QUOTE]My Personal Ranking  Player        Hits         BA   Rank   Pete Rose         4,256 .303  10 Ty Cobb†         4,191 .367    2 Hank Aaron† 3,771 .305    3   Stan Musial† 3,630 .331    4 Tris Speaker† 3,514 .345    6   C. Yastrzemski 3,419 .285 18     Cap Anson         3,418 .334 23 Honus Wagner† 3,415 .328    5 Paul Molitor† 3,319 .306 25 Eddie Collins† 3,315 .333   9 Willie Mays† 3,283 .302   1 Eddie Murray† 3,255 .287 21 Nap Lajoie†      3,242        .338     8  C. Ripken, Jr.† 3,184 .276   20 George Brett† 3,154 .305   12   Paul Waner† 3,152 .333   17   Robin Yount† 3,142 .285 26 Tony Gwynn† 3,141 .338   13   Dave Winfield† 3,110 .283 24 Craig Biggio       3,060 .281 28 R. Henderson† 3,055 .279 11   Rod Carew         3,053        .328  16   Lou Brock          3,023        .293  15 Rafael Palmeiro 3,020 .288 27 Wade Boggs† 3,010 .328 22   Al Kaline†         3,007 .297  19 Derek Jeter        3,004       .313   14 R. Clemente† 3,000 .317   7 
    Posted by nhsteven[/QUOTE]


    Can always nit-pick on positions, but I think you're pretty much right on. I've always considered Mays the best player ever. Nobody had his combination of speed, power, and defense. Good call on Clemente, too. Never came so close to call in Cowherd's show than she he said Jeter was better than Clemente. (No disrespect to Jete, but come on...).
     
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    [QUOTE]My Personal Ranking  Player        Hits         BA   Rank   Pete Rose         4,256 .303  10 Ty Cobb†         4,191 .367    2 Hank Aaron† 3,771 .305    3   Stan Musial† 3,630 .331    4 Tris Speaker† 3,514 .345    6   C. Yastrzemski 3,419 .285 18     Cap Anson         3,418 .334 23 Honus Wagner† 3,415 .328    5 Paul Molitor† 3,319 .306 25 Eddie Collins† 3,315 .333   9 Willie Mays† 3,283 .302   1 Eddie Murray† 3,255 .287 21 Nap Lajoie†      3,242        .338     8  C. Ripken, Jr.† 3,184 .276   20 George Brett† 3,154 .305   12   Paul Waner† 3,152 .333   17   Robin Yount† 3,142 .285 26 Tony Gwynn† 3,141 .338   13   Dave Winfield† 3,110 .283 24 Craig Biggio       3,060 .281 28 R. Henderson† 3,055 .279 11   Rod Carew         3,053        .328  16   Lou Brock          3,023        .293  15 Rafael Palmeiro 3,020 .288 27 Wade Boggs† 3,010 .328 22   Al Kaline†         3,007 .297  19 Derek Jeter        3,004       .313   14 R. Clemente† 3,000 .317   7 
    Posted by nhsteven[/QUOTE]

    PRETTY DUMB THREAD!  HOW MANY OF THESE GUYS HAVE YOU EVER ACTUALLY WATCHED IN YOUR LIFETIME?  UNLESS YOU ARE 80 ITS A DUMB THREAD.

     
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    There is this prevailing way of thinking among younger people that today's stars and celebrities are superior to those of the past.

    The younger crowd wants so badly to believe they have been alive to witness greatness. They do not want to take the time and make the effort to research history and discover past greats of sports, movies and television.

    A 30 year old did not see Willie Mays or Ty Cobb or Stan Musial play, but he's seen Jeter's entire career....therefore Jeter ( in that person's mind is the greatest...ditto Madonna, Michael Jackson, Tom Brady, Jimmy Johnson (NASCAR driver) , Tom Cruise, Alex Rodrigues, Justin Bieber, etc.)

    Young people today live in the moment, they know almost nothing of past great stars. Many actually think Tom Brady is a better quarterback than John Unitas or Len Dawson....insane! The rules actually allowed defensive players to "tackle" a quarterback back then, none of this sliding business. There are some who want to say Jimmy Johnson is a better driver than Richard Petty was, absolute nonsense, the cars Petty drove were true "stock" cars, not these high-tech million dollar machines of today.

    I was not alive when Stan Musial played,not when Sammy Baugh played, nor when Beethoven and Mozart lived, nor when Humphrey Bogart acted, nor when Groucho, Chico and Harpo Marx made people laugh. I have watched old film, listened to recordings and read books about all of them.

    I recognize that greatness existed outside of my lifetime. Somehow by crossing the threshold to 3,000 hits Derek Jeter is now grouped with players who have acheived much, much more. If he had ended his career at 2,999 would his greatness be diminished?

    3,000 is just a number, time will determine where Jeter stands among his peers.
     
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    [QUOTE]There is this prevailing way of thinking among younger people that today's stars and celebrities are superior to those of the past. The younger crowd wants so badly to believe they have been alive to witness greatness. They do not want to take the time and make the effort to research history and discover past greats of sports, movies and television. A 30 year old did not see Willie Mays or Ty Cobb or Stan Musial play, but he's seen Jeter's entire career....therefore Jeter ( in that person's mind is the greatest...ditto Madonna, Michael Jackson, Tom Brady, Jimmy Johnson (NASCAR driver) , Tom Cruise, Alex Rodrigues, Justin Bieber, etc.) Young people today live in the moment, they know almost nothing of past great stars. Many actually think Tom Brady is a better quarterback than John Unitas or Len Dawson....insane! The rules actually allowed defensive players to "tackle" a quarterback back then, none of this sliding business. There are some who want to say Jimmy Johnson is a better driver than Richard Petty was, absolute nonsense, the cars Petty drove were true "stock" cars, not these high-tech million dollar machines of today. I was not alive when Stan Musial played,not when Sammy Baugh played, nor when Beethoven and Mozart lived, nor when Humphrey Bogart acted, nor when Groucho, Chico and Harpo Marx made people laugh. I have watched old film, listened to recordings and read books about all of them. I recognize that greatness existed outside of my lifetime. Somehow by crossing the threshold to 3,000 hits Derek Jeter is now grouped with players who have acheived much, much more. If he had ended his career at 2,999 would his greatness be diminished? 3,000 is just a number, time will determine where Jeter stands among his peers.

    Posted by ZILLAGOD[/QUOTE]

    There's also guys on that list who have achieved much, much less than Jeter.

     
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       What is your point, there are far more players who are greater than Jeter who didn't hit 3000 hits and what about pitchers. Just off the top of my head Ruth ,Gehrig, Dimaggio, Mantle, Berra, Ford, Rivera, Dickey, all had careers better than Jeter those named were the driving force on the great Yankee teams. There is at least another dozen Yankees that are is equal, i.e. a valuable contributer to pennant winning teams, but not the driving force that puts said teams over the top, players like Rizzuto, Skowron, Henrich, Combs, Lazzari, Meusel, Williams, and although he wasn't a Yankee for long I could even argue Maris was more important to the Yanks of the early sixties than Jeter was. If you take this arguement across the board in MLB Jeter wouldn't be in the top 50 of all time, and would be lucky to be in the top 100, so again I ask what is your point.
     
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    [QUOTE]There is this prevailing way of thinking among younger people that today's stars and celebrities are superior to those of the past. The younger crowd wants so badly to believe they have been alive to witness greatness. They do not want to take the time and make the effort to research history and discover past greats of sports, movies and television. A 30 year old did not see Willie Mays or Ty Cobb or Stan Musial play, but he's seen Jeter's entire career....therefore Jeter ( in that person's mind is the greatest...ditto Madonna, Michael Jackson, Tom Brady, Jimmy Johnson (NASCAR driver) , Tom Cruise, Alex Rodrigues, Justin Bieber, etc.) Young people today live in the moment, they know almost nothing of past great stars. Many actually think Tom Brady is a better quarterback than John Unitas or Len Dawson....insane! The rules actually allowed defensive players to "tackle" a quarterback back then, none of this sliding business. There are some who want to say Jimmy Johnson is a better driver than Richard Petty was, absolute nonsense, the cars Petty drove were true "stock" cars, not these high-tech million dollar machines of today. I was not alive when Stan Musial played,not when Sammy Baugh played, nor when Beethoven and Mozart lived, nor when Humphrey Bogart acted, nor when Groucho, Chico and Harpo Marx made people laugh. I have watched old film, listened to recordings and read books about all of them. I recognize that greatness existed outside of my lifetime. Somehow by crossing the threshold to 3,000 hits Derek Jeter is now grouped with players who have acheived much, much more. If he had ended his career at 2,999 would his greatness be diminished? 3,000 is just a number, time will determine where Jeter stands among his peers.
    Posted by ZILLAGOD[/QUOTE]

    I completely agree ZILL, you can't fairly judge these players in any kind of oder of talent. 
     
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        Surely you jest Len Dawson I've seen Len play is whole career for that matter and he is no Tom Brady. BTW football is about collisions and mass times speed of todays players, if allowed, to hit like back in the day you would need 100  man player rosters to get through the season, and an old-timer would be some one who lasted 5 years.
     
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    Tom Brady would not have lasted two seasons when defenses were allowed to make contact with quarterbacks, Brady already lost an entire season to injury in an NFL which has strict rules to protect quarterbacks from getting hit.

    Jeter, while an extremely talented hitter, is only slightly better than average at fielding his position. He is , no doubt, going to the Hall of Fame.

    The point I am trying to make, and which craze4sox seems to understand, is Jeter is no better a player because he hit the magical 3,000 hits. If he had fallen short he is still a Hall of Famer, based on what he has done. The fact that he has 3,000 hits and Maris, Mantle and Dimaggio did not does not mean Jeter should be ranked ahead of these players who did not reach 3,000 hits.

    It's a huge milestone, but players who don't reach it are not failures by any means.

    Would you, could you rank Paul Molitor ahead of Alan Trammell? How do you rank players? These guys played in the same era, and honestly , I couldn't tell you which should be ranked higher based on how many hits, homers , fielding pct. batting average, # of championships...there are so many intangables, you can't just compare stats and declare one player better than another.
     
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    That''s why it's called a Personal Ranking, gentlemen. It is based on stats, what I read, and what I saw, and is IMO.
     
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    It's impressive that only a relative few made it to the 3,000 hit club. All of its members clearly deserve enshrinment in the Hall of Fame. Other than Robin Yount, Dave Winfield and Craig Biggio, all of them are mid-to-upper tier Hall of Famers.

    The bizarre thing is that Johnny Damon will likely join this group within the next 2-3 years, and he's nowhere near as good as the rest of these guys, including the Yount, Winfield, and Biggio trio. He will be an interesting test case for whether the benchmarks of greatness should be adjusted.

    My personal opinion is that if Damon reaches the 3,000 hit plateau, he should be enshrined. Past precedent demands his inclusion and there's no disciplinary (Pete Rose) or drug-related (Rafael Palmeiro) reason to exclude him. Even though Damon doesn't pass the "feel test" of Hall of Fame immortality, he obviously did something right to amass such an impressive career hits total. And unlike 500 homeruns, the 3,000 hit club remains relatively small and unobtainable to the vast majority of players.

    The only active players with a reasonable chance at cracking 3,000 hits in the near future are Ivan Rodriguez (who deserves HOF enshrinment regardless), Omar Vizquel (a borderline HOF candidate even if he falls short), Alex Rodriguez (will his admission of using steroids keep him out?), and Johnny Damon. Vladimir Guerrero might be able to sneak in, if he can hang around another 4-5 seasons and average 140 hits per year. That's the entire list of guys within striking distance of the magic number.
     
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     What is your point, there are far more players who are greater than Jeter who didn't hit 3000 hits and what about pitchers. Just off the top of my head Ruth ,Gehrig, Dimaggio, Mantle, Berra, Ford, Rivera, Dickey, all had careers better than Jeter those named were the driving force on the great Yankee teams. There is at least another dozen Yankees that are is equal, i.e. a valuable contributer to pennant winning teams, but not the driving force that puts said teams over the top, players like Rizzuto, Skowron, Henrich, Combs, Lazzari, Meusel, Williams, and although he wasn't a Yankee for long I could even argue Maris was more important to the Yanks of the early sixties than Jeter was. If you take this arguement across the board in MLB Jeter wouldn't be in the top 50 of all time, and would be lucky to be in the top 100, so again I ask what is your poi---attic fan
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