The disappearance of MR. Wastefield

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    Got this ole mule, MR. Wastefield. Folks say he ain't worth much, kinda old n' slow. He juss keeps disappearin' on me.
    Anybody out there seen him lately?

    Thought maybe that young wippersnapper Jake stole him! He's the county thief. Fast as all get-up. They never did git along.

    Now, uncle Jed thinks he saw MR. Wastefield yesterday. Says he got into some moonshine and began dancin' til dawn. Then he just knuckled under and vanished!
    Course Jed ain't all that reliable...

    Our bull, Tek, doesn't really seem to care one way or the other. He's just full of vim & vigor - wants to play more often. I gotta stop puttin' too much Salt in his diet.
    The other critters seem to do so much better when that ole' bull Tek has center stage. That's no bull!

    Anyhow, if anyone has seen MR. Wastefield lately, please let me know where.

    Thanks kindly y'all.


     
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    Awesome! No parts for Lowrie, Crawford, Drew, and SLackey?




     
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    Don't do that. The South certainly has an awful history, however, I believe, as with every place on earth, there are good people everywhere -- even in places where the history would say otherwise.

     
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    Don't do that. The South certainly has an awful history, however, I believe, as with every place on earth, there are good people everywhere -- even in places where the history would say otherwise.
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    Do you know, I still don't know who that woman is? Maybe you can describe her to me so I can get a better idea of what you're talking about.
     
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    Margaret Dumont

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    Margaret Dumont

    Margaret Dumont as Mrs. Claypool in A Night at the Opera (1935)
    BornDaisy Juliette Baker
    October 20, 1882(1882-10-20)
    Brooklyn, New York,
    United States
    DiedMarch 6, 1965(1965-03-06) (aged 82)
    Hollywood, California,
    United States
    OccupationActress
    Years active1902–1910, 1917–1964
    SpouseJohn Moller, Jr. (1910-1918; his death)

    Margaret Dumont (October 20, 1882[1][2][3] – March 6, 1965) was an American comedic actress. She is remembered mostly for being the comic foil to Groucho Marx in seven of the Marx Brothers films. Groucho called her "practically the fifth Marx brother."[4]

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    [edit] Early life and career

    She was born Daisy Juliette Baker in Brooklyn, New York, the daughter of William Baker and Harriet Anna Harong.[1] As a child Daisy Baker lived in the southern states, where she was mainly raised by her godfather, the writer Joel Chandler Harris.[5][6]

    Dumont trained as an operatic singer and actress in her teens, and began performing on stage in both America and Europe, at first under the name Daisy Dumont and later as Margaret (or Marguerite) Dumont. Her theatrical debut was in Beauty and the Beast at the Chestnut Theater in Philadelphia, and in August 1902, two months before her 20th birthday, she appeared as a singer/comedienne in a vaudeville act in Atlantic City. The dark-haired soubrette, described by a theater reviewer as a "statuesque beauty," attracted notice later that decade for her vocal and comedic talents in The Girl Behind the Counter (1908), The Belle of Brittany (1909), and The Summer Widower (1910).[7]

    In 1910, she married millionaire sugar heir and industrialist John Moller Jr. and retired from stage work, although she had a small uncredited role as an aristocrat in a 1917 film adaptation of A Tale of Two Cities.[5][8] After her husband's sudden death in 1918, she returned reluctantly to the Broadway stage, and soon gained a strong reputation in musical comedy productions.[7][9] Her Broadway career included roles in the musical comedies and plays The Fan (1921), Go Easy, Mabel (1922), The Rise of Rosie O'Reilly (1923/24), and The Fourflusher (1925),[10] and she had another uncredited role in the 1923 film Enemies of Women.[8]

    [edit] Performances with the Marx Brothers

    She then came to the attention of writer George S. Kaufman, who hired her to play the dowager Mrs. Potter alongside the Four Marx Brothers in their Broadway production of The Cocoanuts in 1925.[5] In October 1928, their next Broadway show, Animal Crackers, opened, and Dumont was again cast as the wealthy society dowager and their straight woman. In 1929 they filmed the screen version of The Cocoanuts, which was one of the first true talking pictures.[9]

    Performing with the Marx Brothers, Dumont played wealthy high-society, posh-voiced widows whom Groucho alternately insulted and romanced for their money. The roles are Mrs. Potter in The Cocoanuts (1929), Mrs. Rittenhouse in Animal Crackers (1930), Mrs. Gloria Teasdale in Duck Soup (1933), Mrs. Claypool in A Night at the Opera (1935), Emily Upjohn in A Day at the Races (1937), Mrs. Suzanna Dukesbury in At the Circus (1939), and Martha Phelps in The Big Store (1941). Her work in A Day at the Races earned her a Best Supporting Actress Award from the Screen Actors Guild, film critic Cecilia Ager suggesting that a monument be erected in honor of her courage and steadfastness in the face of the Marx Brothers' antics.[9][11]

    Groucho once said that many people believed they were married in real life, even though they were not. A typical exchange, from Duck Soup, follows:

    Groucho: You might think me a sentimental old fluff, but would you mind giving me a lock of your hair?
    Dumont (smitten): A lock of my hair? Why, I had no idea that you ...
    Groucho: You're getting off easy. I was going to ask for the whole wig!

    Dumont also endured dialogue about her characters' (and thus her own) stoutish build, as with these lines, also from Duck Soup:

    Dumont: I've sponsored your appointment because I feel you are the most able statesman in all Freedonia.
    Groucho: Well, that covers a lot of ground. Say, you cover a lot of ground yourself! You'd better beat it; I hear they're going to tear you down and put up an office building where you're standing!

    and:

    Groucho: Why don't you marry me?
    Dumont: Why, marry you?
    Groucho: You take me, and I'll take a vacation. I'll need a vacation if we're going to get married. Married! I can see you now in the kitchen, bending over a hot stove. But I can't see the stove!

    Or her age (in their last film pairing, The Big Store):

    Dumont (kittenish after Groucho steals a peck): You make me think of my youth.
    Groucho: Really? He must be a big boy by now.

    Dumont's character would often give a short, startled or confused reaction to such insults, but would not otherwise respond and appeared to forget the insult quickly.

    Dumont's presumed ladylike innocence, in contrast to Groucho's perpetual leer, was fodder for Groucho's oft-stated comment that the brothers had to explain jokes like this to her:

    Groucho (to the other brothers, during a battle sequence in Duck Soup): Remember, you're fighting for this woman's honor, which is probably more than she ever did!

    and this, from A Night at the Opera:

    Dumont: Do you have everything, Otis?
    Groucho: I've never had any complaints yet!

    But there could be fleeting moments of touching consideration shown by Groucho in their faux romances, as in the final scene of The Big Store where he goes off to her apartment:

    Dumont: Oh, I'm afraid after we're married a while a beautiful young girl will come along and you'll forget all about me.
    Groucho: Don't be silly. I'll write you twice a week.

    Decades later in his one man show at New York's Carnegie Hall, Groucho mentioned Dumont's name and got a burst of applause. He informed the audience that she rarely understood the humor of their scenes together and would ask him, "Why are they laughing, Julie?" ("Julie" was her nickname for Julius, Groucho's birth name.) Dumont was so important to the success of the Marx Brothers films, she is one of the few people mentioned by Groucho in his short acceptance speech for an honorary Oscar (the other four are Harpo, Chico, his mother, and his companion Erin Fleming. Zeppo Marx was omitted.) In her interviews and press profiles, Dumont preserved the myth of her on-screen character: the wealthy, regal woman who never quite understood the joke. Dumont's acting style, especially in early films, provides a window into the old-fashioned theatrical style of projecting to the back row, such as trilling the "r" for emphasis. She also had a classical operatic singing voice which screenwriters eagerly used to their advantage.

    Perpetuating Groucho's joke on the subject, film critics and historians have stated for decades that since Dumont never broke character or cracked a smile at Groucho's jokes, she did not "get" the Marx Brothers' type of humor. The fact is she knew the jokes were funny indeed, but as a seasoned actress and a professional kept a straight face no matter what.[7] In the early Marx brothers films especially, when Groucho levels an insult at her, she can be seen giving an appropriate and fleeting "shocked" response as part of her characterization. One exception to her sticking with the script occurred in her last appearance with Groucho in 1965 on ABC-TV's Hollywood Palace. Mid-way through a recreation of a scene from Animal Crackers, Groucho stopped her as she was about to deliver her next line. "Don't step on those few laughs I have up here" he scolded, which made Dumont break up laughing.

    [edit] Other roles and later life

    Over the course of her career Margaret Dumont played in 57 films, including some minor silent work that began with A Tale of Two Cities (1917). Her first feature film was the Marx Brothers film The Cocoanuts (1929), in which she played Mrs. Potter, the same role she played in the stage version from which the film was adapted.

    She also played the same dignified, poised dowager in other movies, with W.C. Fields (Never Give a Sucker an Even Break, 1941) and (Tales of Manhattan, 1942), Abbott and Costello (Little Giant, 1946), Laurel and Hardy (The Dancing Masters, 1943), Red Skelton (Bathing Beauty, 1944), Jack Benny (The Horn Blows at Midnight, 1945), Wheeler and Woolsey (Kentucky Kernels, 1934) and (High Flyers, 1937, with Lupe Velez thrown in for good measure), and Danny Kaye (Up In Arms, 1944), and on television with Martin and Lewis (The Colgate Comedy Hour, December 1951).[8] Interestingly, Turner Classic Movies’ website says of High Flyers—one of her lesser-known outings: "The surprise…is seeing her play a somewhat daffy matron, more Billie Burke than typical Margaret Dumont. As the lady who’s into crystal gazing and dotes on her kleptomaniac bull terrier, she brings a discreetly screwball touch to the proceedings."[12] Dumont also played some dramatic parts, such as Youth on Parole (1937) and Dramatic School (1938). She also appeared in Stop, You're Killing Me (1952), Three for Bedroom C (1952), Shake, Rattle & Rock! (1956), and Zotz! (1962).[8] Her last movie was What a Way to Go! (1964), in which she played Shirley MacLaine's mother, Mrs. Foster.

    Eight days before her death she made her final acting appearance on the television program The Hollywood Palace on February 26, 1965, where she was reunited onstage with Groucho—that week's guest host—one final time. They performed material adapted from Captain Spaulding's introductory scene in Animal Crackers. The taped show was aired on April 17, several weeks after her passing.

    [edit] Death

    After her death from a heart attack on March 6, 1965, Margaret Dumont was cremated, her ashes stored in the vault at the Chapel of the Pines Crematory in Los Angeles. She was 82 years of age, although many obituaries gave her age as 75.[13]

     
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    OK. That doesn't really help at all. I still don't get it.
     
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    Got this ole mule, MR. Wastefield. Folks say he ain't worth much, kinda old n' slow. He juss keeps disappearin' on me. Anybody out there seen him lately? Thought maybe that young wippersnapper Jake stole him! He's the county thief. Fast as all get-up. They never did git along. Now, uncle Jed thinks he saw MR. Wastefield yesterday. Says he got into some moonshine and began dancin' til dawn. Then he just knuckled under and vanished! Course Jed ain't all that reliable... Our bull, Tek, doesn't really seem to care one way or the other. He's just full of vim & vigor - wants to play more often. I gotta stop puttin' too much Salt in his diet. The other critters seem to do so much better when that ole' bull Tek has center stage. That's no bull! Anyhow, if anyone has seen MR. Wastefield lately, please let me know where. Thanks kindly y'all.
    Posted by harness


    For you Steve.

    I'll leave the casting of Crawford and Slacky - the lazy hen who continues to lay eggs on cue - to you.
     
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    Kim, this is a more accurate depiction of deep southern life than you can imagine. I lived in TN for 17 years. They may not be Harvard grads, but they are very wise to their surroundings, as exemplified in the BEVERLY HILLBILLIES.

    Nice info on Dupont. My guess is, the analogy to Dupont is his way of saying that there wasn't any kind of put down on the south - and he's retorting to you seeing it that way.


    Has anyone seen MR. Wastefield lately?
     
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    Kim , this is a more accurate depiction of deep southern life than you can imagine. I lived in TN for 17 years. They may not be Harvard grads, but they are very wise to their surroundings, as exemplified in the BEVERLY HILLBILLIES. Nice info on Dupont. My guess is, the analogy to Dupont is his way of saying that there wasn't any kind of put down on the south - and he's retorting to you seeing it that way. Has anyone seen MR. Wastefield lately?
    Posted by harness


    Again, in every place on earth, there are still good people who don't deserve to be lumped in with all the negative stereotypes simply because of geography.

    As for Dupont, he's been putting that pic up since the off-season, so I know the reference isn't limited to this thread. And, like I said, I don't get it, and I've told him that before. Maybe instead of just putting up a bio, he could actually explain what he's talking about.
     
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    OK. That doesn't really help at all. I still don't get it.
    Posted by kimsaysthis


    And the audiences didn't believe that Margaret Dumont got the joke either.  That is the point.  The best part is that you reconfirmed it with your response. 
     
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    In Response to Re: The disappearance of MR. Wastefield : Again, in every place on earth, there are still good people who don't deserve to be lumped in with all the negative stereotypes simply because of geography. As for Dupont, he's been putting that pic up since the off-season, so I know the reference isn't limited to this thread. And, like I said, I don't get it, and I've told him that before. Maybe instead of just putting up a bio, he could actually explain what he's talking about.
    Posted by kimsaysthis


    The irony is that if you did get it, I wouldn't be making the comparison.

    You would do best to ignore it.  Believe me.  Otherwise, it only gets funnier. 


     
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    And the audiences didn't believe that Margaret Dumont got the joke either. That is the point. The best part is that you reconfirmed it with your response. -- Rojas

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    Nice. I lost my reply tab again.

    Do you really believe I DO know what you're talking about?  You're talking about a woman who I don't know and is, in fact, already dead. 

    I think this is an inside joke for you and your pals. I'm not sure anyone would get it.
     
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    In Response to Re: The disappearance of MR. Wastefield : Again, in every place on earth, there are still good people who don't deserve to be lumped in with all the negative stereotypes simply because of geography. As for Dupont, he's been putting that pic up since the off-season, so I know the reference isn't limited to this thread. And, like I said, I don't get it, and I've told him that before. Maybe instead of just putting up a bio, he could actually explain what he's talking about.
    Posted by kimsaysthis


    I didn't know the Dupont thing was a running gag. First I ever heard of it.

    OP/etc. is only backdrop humor of the rural south. It's not about good people or bad - there or anywhere else. Just a light-hearted cultural mix.

    The real joke is on Softy...his social graces and subsequently his latest disappearance.
     
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    Posted by Sheriff-Rojas


    You would have to post a blonde pic...
     
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    Kimster once revealed to me that she was a blonde.  I wonder what her motivation was.

     
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    I'm staying clear of this. I have an admitted weakness for blondes.
    Could go back as far as Fay Wray. But even Kong could see this...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXsWJb-99tE&feature=related
     
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    Kimster once revealed to me that she was a blond. I wonder what her motivation was. -- Rojas

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    My motivation was you putting this woman (again) and another woman up supposedly mocking me. They were both brunette and old, and I said you were putting them up because they were old women, and then made a sarcastic response at the end saying, "btw I'm a blonde for your future pics".

    FTR I am a blonde. I don't really need motivation to say that. Bring on the blonde jokes, I've heard them all, although you'll find we're not as dumb as people may have been led to believe. Yet another stereotype.
     
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    Blonde jokes are definitely stereotypical.  Marilyn Monroe was heavily victimized.
    She played a dumb blonde, but was anything but. Anybody who ever doubted her range should see the flic DON'T BOTHER TO KNOCK. She was brilliant.
    Here's a teaser...

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5DUBu9Zigg&feature=related
     
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    Memorable Line in Duck Soup:

    Groucho : "Can I have a lock of your hair?"
    Dumont: "You want a lock of my hair?"
    Groucho: " You're lucky I was going to ask you for the whole wig"
     
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    Blonde jokes are definitely stereotypical.  Marilyn Monroe was heavily victimized. She played a dumb blonde, but was anything but . Anybody who ever doubted her range should see the flic DON'T BOTHER TO KNOCK . She was brilliant. Here's a teaser... www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5DUBu9Zigg&feature=related
    Posted by harness


    Not a good example. She wasn't a natural blonde. In fact, most of the "dumb blondes" in hollywood weren't/aren't really blondes at all. They just dyed their hair blonde. I truly believe that's where all the stereotypes come from.
     
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    Please don't tarnish my image of her! To me, she was blonde:)

    I imagine many dye their hair. Either way, the allure is seductive.
    In your opinion Kim, what percentage of blondes are natural?
     
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    Please don't tarnish my image of her! To me, she was blonde :) I image many dye their hair. Either way, the allure is seductive. In your opinion Kim , what percentage of blondes are natural?
    Posted by harness


    From what I read about her, she was a great person, and extremely intelligent. Something that was hidden from the camera, for obvious reasons.

    I couldn't even guess about natural blondes. In Hollywood? Maybe 10% or less. But whenever there's a role for a "dumb" female, they are either going to be a blonde, or they're going to dye their hair blonde for the role. It is what it is. I'm not sure any other stereotype has lasted as long with no apparent complaints. 
     
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    Here's my favorite dyed blonde.



    Although I liked her equally well as a brunette.


     
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    Norma was a deeply disturbed soul, but made a lot of money off making a lot of pants bulge, including the pants of that Boston gentleman who liked to visit through the back door.

     
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