The Drew Quandry for 2014

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    In response to RedSoxFireman's comment:

    but the acquistion of Drew showed him the error of his ways, and he finally got serious and changed his approach at the plate. 


    Your comment is both a joke and exposure of your defensive plea on why Drew wasn't a mistake despite the fact that Iglesias has been better in 2013. "The error of his ways", are you in the first grade.



    since Iggy was traded...Drews been way better.  If his baseball kowledge puts him back into first grade....then you must still be collecting baseball cards. 

     
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    Stephen Drew Goes Other Way for Two-Run Homer

     
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    Drew's a bum, get rid of him now.




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    Drew now has 17 multi-RBI games this year, including 6 with at least 3 RBI.

    By comparison Iggy has 3 multi-RBI games, 0 with more than 2 RBI.

    That's what Drew brings that Iggy doesn't - extra-base and home run power that puts runs on the board. 

     
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    It is preposterous to argue that signing Drew was a mistake.  That deal was an important part of the 2013 turnaround,

    Just Softy being Softy.  Drew was a great signing.  He not only way out-earned his $9.5M, he is likely to get us a draft pick.  It's pretty difficult to beat that with a FA.

     

     
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    In response to ADG's comment:

    Some points:

    1. He's your starter, but late in games against a lefty, he needs to be pinch hit for. Is that a guy you want to give a $13-14M qualifying offer for?
     - .183 Average, 40% K ratio

    2. At or below career averages for AVG, OBA, OPS. Is that a guy you want to give a $13-14M qualifying offer for?

    3. Producing more from the standpoint of HR and RBI's. Is that a guy you want to give a $13-14M qualifying offer for?

    4. Has more K's on the season than any other season in his career.

    5. Fielding like a gold glove.

    Tough decision. The problem is if they offer him a QO, he takes it in a heartbeat. The best offer he gets on open market would probably be in the $12-14M for 2 range.



    If he declines, his next contract will be in the range of $33M/3, imo.

     
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    Our focus now! my hope: Cleveland, Oakland and no Atlanta!  Some pla start a thread!

     
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    Re: The Drew Quandry for 2014

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    That's what Drew brings that Iggy doesn't - extra-base and home run power that puts runs on the board. 


    Not much "home run power" to Drew.

    Iglesias had 3 HR and 18 extra base hits in 370 PA

    Drew has 12 HR and 33 extra base hits in 469 PA

    Their OPS is virtually identical!

     
    Up to date:

    Drew

    472 PA

    13 HR

    7 3B

    27 2B

    47 EBH

    Iggy

    373 PA

    3 HR

    2 3B

    16 2b

    21 EBH

    Iggy is a better fielder, but Drew has a dimension to his game that Iggy will never have.  Drew showed what that is again last night with his decisive 2-run homer plus a long triple.  Drew has had plenty of games like that this year - 17 games with multiple RBI.

    The kind of game Drew had last night, Iggy will rarely have in his career.  Iggy is a true slap hitter with no power.  You stick him in the 9 spot and hope he doesn't hurt you too much there.

    Drew can win games for you with his bat.

     
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    13 homers doesn't really classify as 'power'....  

     

    Iggy has 16 doubles and 3 homers with 370 plate appearences.

    Drew has 27 doubles and 12 homers with 469 plate appearances.

    I'd like to think Bogarts playing full-time would blow Drew away far more than the current minuscule offensive differences between Drew and Iggy.

     

    *** If Iggy had 99 more ab's he would easily ad 5 doubles and 1 homer.... 



    Drew's SLG is .441.

    The AL average is .406.

    The AL average for SS's is .375.

    The AL average for 1B's is .449.

    So Drew has more power than the average player, much more than the average SS, and about as much as the average 1B.

    So yes, it's accurate to say he's got power.

     

     
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    Drew has 64 RBI in 117 games.  That projects to 89 RBI for 162 games.

    That is a lot of RBI for a SS hitting in the 7th and 8th spots.

     
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    btw - drew plays SOLID defense and gets to a helluva lot more balls than i expected....

     
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    13 homers doesn't really classify as 'power'....  

     

     

    Iggy has 16 doubles and 3 homers with 370 plate appearences.

    Drew has 27 doubles and 12 homers with 469 plate appearances.

    I'd like to think Bogarts playing full-time would blow Drew away far more than the current minuscule offensive differences between Drew and Iggy.

     

    *** If Iggy had 99 more ab's he would easily ad 5 doubles and 1 homer.... 

     



    Drew's SLG is .441.

     

    The AL average is .406.

    The AL average for SS's is .375.

    The AL average for 1B's is .449.

    So Drew has more power than the average player, much more than the average SS, and about as much as the average 1B.

    So yes, it's accurate to say he's got power.

     

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    Is it really that tough for Drew's detractors to simply recognize that he's a prototypical Red Sox hitter. A solid to above average defender and a good clubhouse guy. One that makes the opposing pitcher work who has in the non-steroid era above ave pop (power) for a short stop. 

    Count me among those that think that the Sox would be wise to not only offer him a contract but make every effort to sign him. I get that Xander is the future....moving him to 3rd with Middlebrooks crossing the diamond to play first is not the end of the world As we know it...in fact one could argue that we're a better team with Drew at SS. IMHO Drew is in the same class of players as was his Brother, Victor Martinez and Beltre. Where the sum of the parts is greater than the numbers on the back of their baseball cards. 

    In the end one could argue that letting both Martinez and Beltre walk was the catalyst for the eventual ruin of the fortunes of the 2011 and 2012 teams. 

     
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    In response to Beantowne's comment:

    In response to Hfxsoxnut's comment:

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    13 homers doesn't really classify as 'power'....  

     

     

     

    Iggy has 16 doubles and 3 homers with 370 plate appearences.

    Drew has 27 doubles and 12 homers with 469 plate appearances.

    I'd like to think Bogarts playing full-time would blow Drew away far more than the current minuscule offensive differences between Drew and Iggy.

     

    *** If Iggy had 99 more ab's he would easily ad 5 doubles and 1 homer.... 

     

     



    Drew's SLG is .441.

     

     

    The AL average is .406.

    The AL average for SS's is .375.

    The AL average for 1B's is .449.

    So Drew has more power than the average player, much more than the average SS, and about as much as the average 1B.

    So yes, it's accurate to say he's got power.

     

     

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    Is it really that tough for Drew's detractors to simply recognize that he's a prototypical Red Sox hitter. A solid to above average defender and a good clubhouse guy. One that makes the opposing pitcher work who has in the non-steroid era above ave pop (power) for a short stop. 

     

    Count me among those that think that the Sox would be wise to not only offer him a contract but make every effort to sign him. I get that Xander is the future....moving him to 3rd with Middlebrooks crossing the diamond to play first is not the end of the world As we know it...in fact one could argue that we're a better team with Drew at SS. IMHO Drew is in the same class of players as was his Brother, Victor Martinez and Beltre. Where the sum of the parts is greater than the numbers on the back of their baseball cards. 

    In the end one could argue that letting both Martinez and Beltre walk was the catalyst for the eventual ruin of the fortunes of the 2011 and 2012 teams. 

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    Is Drew a better hitter than Napoli?

    Signing Drew and moving Bogey to 3B and Middlebrooks to 1B is not a bad plan, especially since we have Carp in reserve, so Middy is the back-up 3Bman and Bogey the back-up SS, but we lose at the plate what we might gain in the field.

    Napoli is not a bad fielding 1Bman, but I do think that for 2014, Drew would be a better fielder than Bogey at SS.

     
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    In response to moonslav59's comment:

    In response to Beantowne's comment:

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    13 homers doesn't really classify as 'power'....  

     

     

     

     

    Iggy has 16 doubles and 3 homers with 370 plate appearences.

    Drew has 27 doubles and 12 homers with 469 plate appearances.

    I'd like to think Bogarts playing full-time would blow Drew away far more than the current minuscule offensive differences between Drew and Iggy.

     

    *** If Iggy had 99 more ab's he would easily ad 5 doubles and 1 homer.... 

     

     

     



    Drew's SLG is .441.

     

     

     

    The AL average is .406.

    The AL average for SS's is .375.

    The AL average for 1B's is .449.

    So Drew has more power than the average player, much more than the average SS, and about as much as the average 1B.

    So yes, it's accurate to say he's got power.

     

     

     

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    Is it really that tough for Drew's detractors to simply recognize that he's a prototypical Red Sox hitter. A solid to above average defender and a good clubhouse guy. One that makes the opposing pitcher work who has in the non-steroid era above ave pop (power) for a short stop. 

     

     

    Count me among those that think that the Sox would be wise to not only offer him a contract but make every effort to sign him. I get that Xander is the future....moving him to 3rd with Middlebrooks crossing the diamond to play first is not the end of the world As we know it...in fact one could argue that we're a better team with Drew at SS. IMHO Drew is in the same class of players as was his Brother, Victor Martinez and Beltre. Where the sum of the parts is greater than the numbers on the back of their baseball cards. 

    In the end one could argue that letting both Martinez and Beltre walk was the catalyst for the eventual ruin of the fortunes of the 2011 and 2012 teams. 

     

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    Is Drew a better hitter than Napoli?

     

    Signing Drew and moving Bogey to 3B and Middlebrooks to 1B is not a bad plan, especially since we have Carp in reserve, so Middy is the back-up 3Bman and Bogey the back-up SS, but we lose at the plate what we might gain in the field.

    Napoli is not a bad fielding 1Bman, but I do think that for 2014, Drew would be a better fielder than Bogey at SS.

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    But Napoli is a better hitter than Middlebrook.  

     
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    In response to moonslav59's comment:

    In response to Beantowne's comment:

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    13 homers doesn't really classify as 'power'....  

     

     

     

     

    Iggy has 16 doubles and 3 homers with 370 plate appearences.

    Drew has 27 doubles and 12 homers with 469 plate appearances.

    I'd like to think Bogarts playing full-time would blow Drew away far more than the current minuscule offensive differences between Drew and Iggy.

     

    *** If Iggy had 99 more ab's he would easily ad 5 doubles and 1 homer.... 

     

     

     



    Drew's SLG is .441.

     

     

     

    The AL average is .406.

    The AL average for SS's is .375.

    The AL average for 1B's is .449.

    So Drew has more power than the average player, much more than the average SS, and about as much as the average 1B.

    So yes, it's accurate to say he's got power.

     

     

     

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    Is it really that tough for Drew's detractors to simply recognize that he's a prototypical Red Sox hitter. A solid to above average defender and a good clubhouse guy. One that makes the opposing pitcher work who has in the non-steroid era above ave pop (power) for a short stop. 

     

     

    Count me among those that think that the Sox would be wise to not only offer him a contract but make every effort to sign him. I get that Xander is the future....moving him to 3rd with Middlebrooks crossing the diamond to play first is not the end of the world As we know it...in fact one could argue that we're a better team with Drew at SS. IMHO Drew is in the same class of players as was his Brother, Victor Martinez and Beltre. Where the sum of the parts is greater than the numbers on the back of their baseball cards. 

    In the end one could argue that letting both Martinez and Beltre walk was the catalyst for the eventual ruin of the fortunes of the 2011 and 2012 teams. 

     

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    Is Drew a better hitter than Napoli?

     

    Signing Drew and moving Bogey to 3B and Middlebrooks to 1B is not a bad plan, especially since we have Carp in reserve, so Middy is the back-up 3Bman and Bogey the back-up SS, but we lose at the plate what we might gain in the field.

    Napoli is not a bad fielding 1Bman, but I do think that for 2014, Drew would be a better fielder than Bogey at SS.

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    Bogearts needs to play . And NOT 3b IMO...they will not sign Drew for 3 yrs ! Or qualify him to move bogey to 3b, AND....move a potentially all star 3b to first. THINK ABOUT THAT for one second and you will see how crazy that is. The red sox are not just thinking about 2014, but 3 , 4 , 5 yrs down the road. They have a chance to have something REALLY SPECIAL on the left side with those two kids. They are both very young and need to plat thier respectiveositions and grow into them. I for one hope they do not even consider doing what you suggested. And that is no knock on Drew at all. He's done a fine job for us this yr...and got what he wanted out of the one yr deal he signed with us, and we got our 9.5m worth. 

     
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    Is Drew a better hitter than Napoli?

     

     

    Signing Drew and moving Bogey to 3B and Middlebrooks to 1B is not a bad plan, especially since we have Carp in reserve, so Middy is the back-up 3Bman and Bogey the back-up SS, but we lose at the plate what we might gain in the field.

    Napoli is not a bad fielding 1Bman, but I do think that for 2014, Drew would be a better fielder than Bogey at SS.

     



    Bogearts needs to play . And NOT 3b IMO...they will not sign Drew for 3 yrs ! Or qualify him to move bogey to 3b, AND....move a potentially all star 3b to first. THINK ABOUT THAT for one second and you will see how crazy that is. The red sox are not just thinking about 2014, but 3 , 4 , 5 yrs down the road. They have a chance to have something REALLY SPECIAL on the left side with those two kids. They are both very young and need to plat thier respectiveositions and grow into them. I for one hope they do not even consider doing what you suggested. And that is no knock on Drew at all. He's done a fine job for us this yr...and got what he wanted out of the one yr deal he signed with us, and we got our 9.5m worth. 

     

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    The Sox should make Drew a QO.  He's proven this year he's worth the money.  What's the worst case?  Napoli also accepts the QO we will make, and Drew/Napoli/Midds/Bogaerts share 3 positions....plus a bit of DH....and that's assuming those 4 and Ortiz are healthy all 2014.  Not a big problem worst case.... best case, we got a 2013 bargain for Drew plus a draft pick.  

     
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    13 homers doesn't really classify as 'power'....  

     

     

     

     

     

    Iggy has 16 doubles and 3 homers with 370 plate appearences.

    Drew has 27 doubles and 12 homers with 469 plate appearances.

    I'd like to think Bogarts playing full-time would blow Drew away far more than the current minuscule offensive differences between Drew and Iggy.

     

    *** If Iggy had 99 more ab's he would easily ad 5 doubles and 1 homer.... 

     

     

     

     



    Drew's SLG is .441.

     

     

     

     

    The AL average is .406.

    The AL average for SS's is .375.

    The AL average for 1B's is .449.

    So Drew has more power than the average player, much more than the average SS, and about as much as the average 1B.

    So yes, it's accurate to say he's got power.

     

     

     

     

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    Is it really that tough for Drew's detractors to simply recognize that he's a prototypical Red Sox hitter. A solid to above average defender and a good clubhouse guy. One that makes the opposing pitcher work who has in the non-steroid era above ave pop (power) for a short stop. 

     

     

     

    Count me among those that think that the Sox would be wise to not only offer him a contract but make every effort to sign him. I get that Xander is the future....moving him to 3rd with Middlebrooks crossing the diamond to play first is not the end of the world As we know it...in fact one could argue that we're a better team with Drew at SS. IMHO Drew is in the same class of players as was his Brother, Victor Martinez and Beltre. Where the sum of the parts is greater than the numbers on the back of their baseball cards. 

    In the end one could argue that letting both Martinez and Beltre walk was the catalyst for the eventual ruin of the fortunes of the 2011 and 2012 teams. 

     

     

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    Is Drew a better hitter than Napoli?

     

     

    Signing Drew and moving Bogey to 3B and Middlebrooks to 1B is not a bad plan, especially since we have Carp in reserve, so Middy is the back-up 3Bman and Bogey the back-up SS, but we lose at the plate what we might gain in the field.

    Napoli is not a bad fielding 1Bman, but I do think that for 2014, Drew would be a better fielder than Bogey at SS.

     

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    But Napoli is a better hitter than Middlebrook.  

     

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    Proboably so, so I get your point. Drew at SS, Bogey at 3B (Middy in reserve) and Napoli at 1B.

    Then, I ask, who's a better hitter as projected for 2014?  Drew or Middlebrooks?

     

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