The Essence of Timmy Wakefield: As Articulated by A Poster From Another Site

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    The Essence of Timmy Wakefield: As Articulated by A Poster From Another Site

    rain4wayne (signed in using Yahoo)

    Please tell me why getting the Sox' wins record is considered a significant achievement, when he is already, BY FAR, the team's all-time leader in losses - not to mention runs allowed, hits allowed, doubles allowed, extra-base hits allowed, home runs allowed, walks allowed, wild pitches, hits batsmen, etc.? Longevity statistics are meaningless if they represent mediocrity in one's career. He's a great guy, great teammate, great citizen. On any given day, his results are a crap shoot - hit or miss, sink or swim. I hope he gets the record because that means the Red Sox won those games - and that is all that matters. But stressing the wins record while disregarding the fact that he holds just about every negative pitching record in team history misrepresents his true career accomplishment level.
     
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    I'm not going to take the time to respond to your post. However, I will respond to your screen name and tell you that I am highly offended by it.

    so if you'd rather be red than dead then by all means book yourself a one way plane ticket to either cuba,north korea,China,Viet-nam or Russia. Take your pick. I'm sure that they'd love to have you.

     
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    This and a quart of potato salad will get you to the picnic

    /thread
     
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    My moniker choice is sarcasm towards the Leftists, the prevailing leadership in modern America. Perhaps you'k like to comment on Wayne's comment, over at NESN. No, I'm not Wayne, but I like the way he articulated the essence of Tim Wakefield.
     
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    betterofdead, why do you hate Wakefield so much, I'm just curious..did he kick your dog?
     
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    [QUOTE]My moniker choice is sarcasm towards the Leftists, the prevailing leadership in modern America. Perhaps you'k like to comment on Wayne's comment, over at NESN. No, I'm not Wayne, but I like the way he articulated the essence of Tim Wakefield.
    Posted by betterredthandead[/QUOTE]

    It's a croc; as an analogy, I remember when Pete Rose (we're talking on the field) broke the OUTS record, and Yaz came close to it. Agreed, Wakefield's value is not what it was; but even this yr, he's already pitched some big games. I also don 't agree about Ellsbury; now that he's proven this yr he's not a mental and physical case, it's safe to say he's one of the top CFers in the game. Drew has seen better days, but, like Lowrie, is not worthless, even now. Lowrie has a little stick action occasionally (and is a below average fielder), but when some RS fans here got overexcited by his hot start, and claimed he could be better than Cano, well, that was just plain laughable.

    Regardless, the problem with you is you see things in black/white categories; all of the players above have good and bad attributes ... sort of like the political scene.
     
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    Absolutely stupid.  All the 'negative records' mentioned are counting records.  Nothing about ERA, WHIP or any of the true measures of effectiveness. 
     
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    What the "true measures" of effectiveness. The measures that you choose, and the snipets taht you choose, I'm sure.

    danny, did DiceK steal your partner? If you want to debate the baseball issues, let's do that. If you want to show your lack of wit, let's not do that.
     
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    [QUOTE]My moniker choice is sarcasm towards the Leftists, the prevailing leadership in modern America. Perhaps you'k like to comment on Wayne's comment, over at NESN. No, I'm not Wayne, but I like the way he articulated the essence of Tim Wakefield.
    Posted by betterredthandead[/QUOTE]

    If you think that, you are just plain silly because "red" doesn't apply any more.  North Korea and Cuba are basket cases, and the Chinese and Russians are anything but communist. 

    If you are right-leaning, then you have a lot of friends--almost all middle east and Muslim nations are very authoritarian, ditto the Chinese and Russians. 

    As for Wakefield, he sure seems to me to earn his pay.  When that knuckler is working and the ump is calling strikes, he can be mesmerizing.  Plus he doesn't dawdle on the mound between pitches, and he throws fewer pitches per inning than any other Sox pitcher.   The Sox infielders and outfielders love him.   

    You want a basket case who is way, way overpaid?  Check out the part-time rightfielder, who in five years (well, 4 1/2) has had exactly one gamewinning rbi for the Sox.  Mr. Clutch he is not.   

    This year, give me Wakefield anytime. 



     
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    How about a bet: if the sox win tonight you must never mention or bash him again, if he lose then I agree to retire this character.

    Do you agree?
     
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    Hey rain4wayne, did you know that the Atlanta Braves' 5 all-time leaders in losses include Niekro, Spahn, Glavine and Smoltz?  Nice work, dude.

     
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    Re: The Essence of Timmy Wakefield: As Articulated by A Poster From Another Site

    Cy Young lost 313 games.

    Maybe they should give the award named after him to the worst pitcher.
     
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    Not a fair bet. And I don't want you to retire your character, he's NY's finest and reflects the fine people in his district.

    Let's do this. If Tim Wastefield pitches 6 complete innings and is charged with 3 runs or less, I will agree to say that the week off was just the booster chair that Timmy needed.
     
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    The two he will pass are Roger Clemens and Cy Young...I think they had decent Red Sox careers...
     
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    Softy, I have three points for you: 
    1 - The quote you used isn't even related to the point you attempt to make (repeatedly).  It basically says that a longevity record is different from an excellence record - - this is hard to dispute.  It does not say that Tim is being babied or isn't worthy of a roster spot.

    2 - Regarding your "moniker" (an elitist phrase if I ever heard one), mainstream American democrats and republicans are hardly leftists or rightists if one uses a world wide perspective.  They are about an inch apart on the political spectrum where as communists and fascists are about a mile apart.  It is actually amusing but alarming to hear republicans or tea baggers call the present administration "socialist."  It's sort of like two colors, lets say royal blue and navy blue, arguing which is white and which is black.  If the current administration is socialist, so was GW and every other administration since the Great Depression.  

    3 - "If you want to show your lack of wit, let's not do that."  
    I think this is good advice ... for once.  Delete thread and ban original poster, imho.
     
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    I think it would be a travesty to mention Wastefield's name with Cy Young.

    I wanted them to give Timmy the ball every 5 days, to get rid of him. The booster chair plan is going to keep this guy around longer than Anthony Weiner.
     
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    [QUOTE]rain4wayne  (signed in using Yahoo) Please tell me why getting the Sox' wins record is considered a significant achievement, when he is already, BY FAR, the team's all-time leader in losses - not to mention runs allowed, hits allowed, doubles allowed, extra-base hits allowed, home runs allowed, walks allowed, wild pitches, hits batsmen, etc.? Longevity statistics are meaningless if they represent mediocrity in one's career. He's a great guy, great teammate, great citizen. On any given day, his results are a crap shoot - hit or miss, sink or swim . I hope he gets the record because that means the Red Sox won those games - and that is all that matters. But stressing the wins record while disregarding the fact that he holds just about every negative pitching record in team history misrepresents his true career accomplishment level . Like · Reply · about an hour ago My only comment is that Tim Wakefield is being babied in his role. He is not able to produce the workload of a pen arm or a starter. In either role, he is not able to handle the workload that these jobs require. This exercise has been one that is one of an accomadating ceremonial role in pursuing a longevity record. There are other options with young players that are not being considered. Wakefield is at the stage of his caeer where he's needed a booster seat since the last of 2009. If the Bulls returned Jordan to the roster for 10 minutes a half stints after a week off, it would be good for Jordan's cumulative points record chase of KAJ, but it would not be a proper use of the roster spot. Jordan most certainly could still provide segments of quality work, but baseball is a sport that, to a flaw, pays too much attention to cumaltive records of quantity over quality. The media has to sell the product, it's a self-interest, so fluff articles about Wakefield have been going on for a long time. As to Jeter, he's reached the age and physical condition where he should now beging the transition to another role besides everydyay SS. This should be his final year in the everyday role in that spot, to be generous.  
    Posted by betterredthandead[/QUOTE]

    This poster is kidding, right?

    Little baseball trivia for you all.

    MLB's all time Loss leader?  Cy Young (316)

    MLB's all time hits allowed leader? Cy Young (7,092)

    MLB's all time leader for earned runs allowed? Cy Young (2,147)  Boy, that Cy Young guy must have been awful, huh?

    MLB's all time leader for walks issued? Nolan Ryan (2,795 - over 900 more than second place Steve Carlton.  Boy, I bet those two had trouble getting people out.)

    Being the all time leader in a negative cumulative category is impossible to do for a player having an average career.  You have to have been good enough to stick around long enough to get the bad statistics as well. 

    This doesn't make Wakefield a great pitcher.  It just adds some perspective to that argument in the orignal post.
     
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    Typically if you lead in stats like that, it means you were good enough to stick around.
     
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    3-1
     
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    [QUOTE]Softy, I have three points for you:  1 - The quote you used isn't even related to the point you attempt to make (repeatedly).  It basically says that a longevity record is different from an excellence record - - this is hard to dispute.  It does not say that Tim is being babied or isn't worthy of a roster spot. 2 - Regarding your "moniker" (an elitist phrase if I ever heard one), mainstream American democrats and republicans are hardly leftists or rightists if one uses a world wide perspective.  They are about an inch apart on the political spectrum where as communists and fascists are about a mile apart.  It is actually amusing but alarming to hear republicans or tea baggers call the present administration "socialist."  It's sort of like two colors, lets say royal blue and navy blue, arguing which is white and which is black.  If the current administration is socialist, so was GW and every other administration since the Great Depression.   3 - "If you want to show your lack of wit, let's not do that."   I think this is good advice ... for once.  Delete thread and ban original poster, imho.
    Posted by 111SoxFan111[/QUOTE]
    Point 2 is funny. The under Eisenhauer, Nixon, Ford, yes Reagan, and Bush I taxes were much high then this "Marxist" Softy is ranting about.
     
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     He is not able to produce the workload of a pen arm or a starter. 

    4th on the team in IP. (Workload????)

    3rd on the team in WHIP.

    3-1 record.

    Fielding much better than last year.

    Higher than expected ERA due in part to most of those who relieve him allowing their "inherited runs" to score , bad angles run by Ellsbury, cheap hits, and dropped flyballs (Drew)
     
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    Nice win tonight by Wakefield. Tek did a fine job behind the plate too.
     
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    Reggie Jackson has the major league record for strikeouts and everybody says he's a winner right?? Derek Jeter has the most post-season strikeouts. What's the point?
     
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    [QUOTE]Reggie Jackson has the major league record for strikeouts and everybody says he's a winner right?? Derek Jeter has the most post-season strikeouts. What's the point?
    Posted by jaytf25[/QUOTE]

    Pete Rose not only has the hit record, but also the out record, with 10,328 outs made.

    That's how baseball records work...
     
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    [QUOTE]My moniker choice is sarcasm towards the Leftists, the prevailing leadership in modern America. Perhaps you'k like to comment on Wayne's comment, over at NESN. No, I'm not Wayne, but I like the way he articulated the essence of Tim Wakefield.
    Posted by betterredthandead[/QUOTE]
    You don't understand sarcasm, you commie #$%^&.
     
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