The Rays Are Not Going Away part XVI

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    [QUOTE]If Bard is backed up sufficiently, the 20% difference can be made up for with the extra depth That's not how athletic competition works.
    Posted by 1958lesspaul[/QUOTE]

    Lost production in one area is made up for in others.
    That's how a business operates.

    The games lost by pen depth (leading up to Bard/Paps) this year can be won next year with better overall pen depth.
    That's how athletic competition works.
     
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    [QUOTE]The Rays were able to stockpile draft picks. They now don't  have  to spend with Boston or NY. They pissed on their fan base for a decade instead. Mny would argue that Sox management pissed on the Sox fanbase for decades and decades.Fielding teams just good enough to draw fans, but never good enough to win a WS. The Fisk, Lynn, and Burleson fiasco was a long time ago, true, but some bad seasons, and getting players in the draft that others couldn't afford helped Dan D build a ase from which Theo used to trade for key players that put us over the top. There was a time when the Sox didn't draw all that well. They mostly spent more than most. The Manny signing marked a big change in financial philosophy, but one major difference between TB and Boston, is that when Boston started to win, the demand to watch them grew enormously. The same is not true in TB, which is also handicapped by the sheer population differential and the fact that people in the TB area like other sports better and already had other team allegiances when they moved to the area. I see that a lot here in Houston. There are many "other city" fans living here, especially Saints and Cowboy fans. Half the city moved here within the last few years. It makes a difference. I have been calling for TB to move for a long time now. That city does not deserve a team and can never support a winning team unless they get an owner who wants to spend his own cash. My point has always been, that within the restrictions that TB's budget demands, this management team has built a team that has been highly competitive for 4 straight years, in the toughest division in MLB. They also have one of, if not the deepest farm system in MLB. They are going to be better next year. They may deal Upton this winter and Shields the next, but I really think the transitions will be seamless. I have suggested they move to NC. They love their NASCAR there as well, but they love baseball too. They have been following countless minor league teams for years and years and supporting them well. I think if they build a nice park in the right strategic location, they can get much better support than TB gives. I also thin places like San Antonio, Indianapolis, Buffalo and California may support a team better than TB can and does. 
    Posted by moonslav59[/QUOTE]

    Huge difference between Boston fielding a competitive team with low ceiling...and the Rays fielding an inferior product that won't compete.
    Team's go thru stretches of rebuilding, but Rays had no excuse to bury their fans in a decade of decadence...when their expansion contemporaries were clearly out-performing them at evey turn in half the time.

    How much region vs. fan alienation is responsible for poor draw is anybody's guess.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: The Rays Are Not Going Away part XVI : Who is going to be nude?  Papi and Wake?
    Posted by moonslav59[/QUOTE]

    Sorry. Budget can't cover that level of talent.

    Negotiating with kimsaysthis but there is no agreement as yet. More likely to get kimsasaysthat or kimsaysnothing.  Possibly both.

    Kathy Bates for sure.

    With the way the season is going, it's the best that can be done.

    May not see production based on standings.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: The Rays Are Not Going Away part XVI : Huge difference between Boston fielding a competitive team with low ceiling...and the Rays fielding an inferior product that won't compete. Team's go thru stretches of rebuilding, but Rays had no excuse to bury their fans in a decade of decadence...when their expansion contemporaries were clearly out-performing them at evey turn in half the time. How much region vs. fan alienation is responsible for poor draw is anybody's guess.
    Posted by harness[/QUOTE]

    I'm not making excuses for the old TB owner and GM. They did a horrible job that ended up helping new management by providing a foundation to build with.

    Yes, the Sox remained more competitive than Tb was through their lean years, but they were not really serious contenders from 1980-1985 and from 1987 to 1997 (an 11 year stretch). yeah, they were good enough to not get top draft picks. They had some good players, but also lost some great ones: Clemens and Boggs to name a few. The Fisk, Lynn and Burleson fiascos was long ago, but that era was pretty sad. Fans were alienated, but they came back when we started winning again. TB will never come back. They aren't there to begin with.

     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: The Rays Are Not Going Away part XVI : I'm not making excuses for the old TB owner and GM. They did a horrible job that ended up helping new management by providing a foundation to build with. Yes, the Sox remained more competitive than Tb was through their lean years, but they were not really serious contenders from 1980-1985 and from 1987 to 1997 (an 11 year stretch). yeah, they were good enough to not get top draft picks. They had some good players, but also lost some great ones: Clemens and Boggs to name a few. The Fisk, Lynn and Burleson fiascos was long ago, but that era was pretty sad. Fans were alienated, but they came back when we started winning again. TB will never come back. They aren't there to begin with.
    Posted by moonslav59[/QUOTE]

    They aren't there to begin with because they had no reason to be there. They were never given one. The Redsox did not start their franchise by alienating their fans.
    They built a foundation. Many teams go thru brief rebuilding phases. Especially before or in the infancy of FA. Fans understand this. Fans won't cotton to a team that sh*t on them for a decade - the first decade of the team's existence.

    The Rays dug their own hole and did so prior to playing their very first game because they should have acknowledge the geographical challenges. That and their small market approach was predictable financial poison.

    New MGMT. now reap the fruits of previous draft picks, but they also inherited the alienated fan base and the demographics. Moving would be the prudent thing to do.
     
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    moon do you regret letting softlaw force you to back down on Tampa not going away? Laughing
     
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    They aren't there to begin with because they had no reason to be there. They were never given one. The Redsox did not start their franchise by alienating their fans.

    Had Tb won the WS in their 3rd year, I seriously doubt they'd ever have drawn much more than 2,000,000. They could never have a TV deal like ours or the Yanks. Never. That is what I meant by it. The few baseball fans that are in the area were already diehard Yanks, Sox or other team fans to begin with.
     
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    [QUOTE]I'm waiting for Part XXIII. I hear there's a killer chase scene in that one. Some nudity, too
    Posted by antibody[/QUOTE]

    LOL antibody.
     
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    [QUOTE]moon do you regret letting softlaw force you to back down on Tampa not going away? 
    Posted by BurritoT[/QUOTE]

    softy didn't force me to say "TB has gone away", the Yanks and Sox did. I was right on with my 90-92 win projection for TB. I was right about their pitching carrying them through the dog days, when softy said they'd wilt (as he said the last 3 years as well). I was wrong about the Yanks and Sox doing so well, then I was wrong about thinking the Sox could not have such a prolonged losing stretch. I still think the Sox will make the playoffs, but TB has "not gone away", in the sense that they are still hanging around going into the last week or so.

    Now, don't be a coward: call out your buddy for his take on TB. A take he has been wrong on for nearly 4 years running.

     
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    lol. 
     
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    Try it: you may have a catharsis.
     
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    [QUOTE]My projection 90-92 wins. Your projection 86-88 wins. My projection was 87 to 89 wins. You wanted Adam Dunn over Ortiz.
    Posted by 1958lesspaul[/QUOTE]
    You NEVER learn. And I don't believe you projected 86-88 wins because if you did, even that would fit the definition of not going away.

    When you get it wrong, you hesitate for a day or so to figure out how to respond and then you lie. How pathetic.

    Why not be honest about it, and a man BTW, and just admit it when you are wrong. Moon, Harness, Hill and many others do it all the time. Why not just try a novel approach and be a man for once. It's the only way you will ever get our respect at this point.
     
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    [QUOTE]Dropkick Murphys for fellow Socialist Workers Party Members. Music business is closed union shop. This isn't mother Jones 1930 child labor time. More regulations for workers than in any place in the entire universe. Government bureacracy and tenured teaching system needs to go the way of a unionized military and ATC.
    Posted by 1958lesspaul[/QUOTE]

    Can you say C  R  A  Z  Y ?
     
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    [QUOTE]They aren't there to begin with because they had no reason to be there. They were never given one. The Redsox did not start their franchise by alienating their fans. Had Tb won the WS in their 3rd year, I seriously doubt they'd ever have drawn much more than 2,000,000. They could never have a TV deal like ours or the Yanks. Never. That is what I meant by it. The few baseball fans that are in the area were already diehard Yanks, Sox or other team fans to begin with.
    Posted by moonslav59[/QUOTE]


    I doubt it also. I also doubt Rays FO be seeing so many empty seats today if they had built on something years ago.
     
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    Someone once suggested they let Tampa move to Pittsburgh ... I wonder how the fans would react to having Tampa's team.
     
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    Over 90% to less than 10%. Don't soak your shorts, and Tampa needs to actually win 90 games before you assume they will. Let's just wait and see.

     
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