The real story of Theo Epstien

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    [QUOTE]Yes I wish we had picked up Manny's options and then added 5 or 6 more years at $20 million a year.... man that would have been sweet.
    Posted by BurritoT[/QUOTE]

    Manny was definitely a man driven by what he fealt in his mind to be a perfect world around him.  Sad, but a great ballplayer, nobody can deny his motivation or talent when things were all good.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: The real story of Theo Epstien : Nobody could ever question Manny as being one of the best right handed hitters of our ERA but he allowed too many "little things" to upset him.  Most of the Theo/Manny issues began when Pedro, Millar and Damon left the team, leaving Manny to finish out his contract without a few of his friends.
    Posted by craze4sox[/QUOTE]

    Wrong.

    The Theo/Manny issues began when Manny FOR THE FIRST TIME, arrived at Spring Training ON TIME and happy.  Theo called Manny into the office told Manny the Sox weren't going to pick up his options and that there would be NO discussions about contract extensions, none.

    Manny tried to ask Theo about the options, Theo shouted Manny down and threw him out of the office.  THEN Manny called Scott Boras to find out what was going on. Scott Boras, like all the agents for MLB players knew Theo was an arrogant, incompetent lightweight and didn't let Manny take this abuse.

    That's when the war of words started, Theo cranked up the PR machine and got his 2003 wish in 2008 when Manny was forced out of Boston.

    Where would the Red Sox have been with the 1-2 punch of Manny and Ortiz in the 2008 ALCS? They would have been back in the World Series like we were in 2007.

    It was the biggest Theo blunder of his tenure.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: The real story of Theo Epstien : Wrong. The Theo/Manny issues began when Manny FOR THE FIRST TIME, arrived at Spring Training ON TIME and happy.  Theo called Manny into the office told Manny the Sox weren't going to pick up his options and that there would be NO discussions about contract extensions, none. Manny tried to ask Theo about the options, Theo shouted Manny down and threw him out of the office.  THEN Manny called Scott Boras to find out what was going on. Scott Boras, like all the agents for MLB players knew Theo was an arrogant, incompetent lightweight and didn't let Manny take this abuse. That's when the war of words started, Theo cranked up the PR machine and got his 2003 wish in 2008 when Manny was forced out of Boston. Where would the Red Sox have been with the 1-2 punch of Manny and Ortiz in the 2008 ALCS? They would have been back in the World Series like we were in 2007. It was the biggest Theo blunder of his tenure.
    Posted by OurMan[/QUOTE]

    Sorry, no thats not what happened.
     
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    "Well, Theo has been the GM of a 3rd place team for 2 years and a that has gotten progressively worse for the last 4 years but many still think he has been an elite GM during that time.  So I don't know how you judge success either.

    I'd say with a team with the Cubs resources Theo gets a pass in 2012 and that is it.  With his salary and alledged pedigree, any expectations in 2013 and beyond are fair. "

    Gotten worse 4 years in a row?  They went from 96 wins to 89 wins.  That's a whopping 3% range!!  Is that your idea of decline?!?!?

    How many teams besides the Red Sox and Yankees have won at least 86 games every year since 2002?  (Hint: None)

    When was the last time the Red sox had a ten year streak of winning 86 games or more?  (Hint: Never)

    The Sox have finished over .500 for 14 straight seasons, the second longest streak in team history.  And the longest one to include an actual World Series title, let alone two.  (Obviously not all Epstein.)

    At some point, this team is going to decline.  But if you watch a team go from 86 wins to 90 wins in four years and call for heads to roll, you have unreaslisitc expectations as a fan and are always going to be disappointed.

    And by the way, stop calling out Jose Guillen's name as a viable option.  The guy was second on the Angels in HR and RBI while they were going to the post-season in 2004, and Mike Scioscia kicked him off the team.  What kind of personality disorder does a player have to have if he can produce like that in those categories and get kicked off the team before the playoffs? 
     
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    [QUOTE]"Well, Theo has been the GM of a 3rd place team for 2 years and a that has gotten progressively worse for the last 4 years but many still think he has been an elite GM during that time.  So I don't know how you judge success either. I'd say with a team with the Cubs resources Theo gets a pass in 2012 and that is it.  With his salary and alledged pedigree, any expectations in 2013 and beyond are fair. " Gotten worse 4 years in a row?  They went from 96 wins to 89 wins.  That's a whopping 3% range!!  Is that your idea of decline?!?!? How many teams besides the Red Sox and Yankees have won at least 86 games every year since 2002?  (Hint: None) When was the last time the Red sox had a ten year streak of winning 86 games or more?  (Hint: Never) The Sox have finished over .500 for 14 straight seasons, the second longest streak in team history.  And the longest one to include an actual World Series title, let alone two.  (Obviously not all Epstein.) At some point, this team is going to decline.  But if you watch a team go from 86 wins to 90 wins in four years and call for heads to roll, you have unreaslisitc expectations as a fan and are always going to be disappointed. And by the way, stop calling out Jose Guillen's name as a viable option.  The guy was second on the Angels in HR and RBI while they were going to the post-season in 2004, and Mike Scioscia kicked him off the team.  What kind of personality disorder does a player have to have if he can produce like that in those categories and get kicked off the team before the playoffs? 
    Posted by notin[/QUOTE]

    Guillen?  We may as well bring Manny back as manager.  I think the new direction will be good for the team notin but I do wonder who we are looking at as possible managerial candidates.
     

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