Re: The real story of Theo Epstien
posted at 10/17/2011 6:57 PM EDT
In Response to Re: The real story of Theo Epstien
In Response to Re: The real story of Theo Epstien : We are talking about Theo and one "20mil" player that probably helped us more than anyone in winning 2 WS. Manny was our very first and only big contract before Theo was given the real cash flow. How many big signings besides Adrian "a success" has Theo made successfully compared to busts? The Yankees are not part of this discussion unless your trying to make Theo look better than Cashman. Neither should be mentioned in the great category for winning a ring or two during years of spending millions on busts. Theo is the subject roy!
Posted by craze4sox
My point, which you chose to ignore, is that all GMs have their fair share of bad signings. So simply listing all the bad signings puts no context to the discussion. It would be like taking a guy who hits .350 and list the 390 times he made outs in 600 at-bats. By itself, it looks terrible. But add context to it by comparing him to other hitters, and all of a sudden you realize that it wasn't that bad.
But OK, let's forget about that. Let's move on. Manny wasn't the only big contract of the previous regime. The reason the Sox got Pedro was because the Expos coulsn't afford him, but the Sox had the money. And you're ignoring Johnny Damon.
And you didn't address the fact that the Sox managed to win 95 games or so each year despite massive turnover after 2004 and win the W.S. And that success wasn't built on the backs of high-priced FA's that he picked. Remember -- didn't Theo supposedly fail miserably in signing FAs and had all these acquisitions who were busts. Someone had to win games.
And for all the handwringing over the finish, this team was talented enough to be on a 100-win pace after five months, and it's supposedly the character of the players that led to the collapse, not the talent.
As for Manny, yes he was great for the Sox, but one great player doesn't mean anything. It takes a complete team to win. Remember, Manny's 2007 numbers weren't anything special, yet that was the one year the Sox won the Division title.
It's one thing to not sugar-coat things. That's fine. But to ignore the compete picture is hardly an honest assessment.
Finally, Theo's is in a no-win situation when it concerns the money. Signing big-money FA's is always a big risk. So any GM who has a big budget is going to have some major busts on their resume. But if he doesn't spend the money, he or the owner is going to be ripped for not spending the money.