Re: The real story of Theo Epstien
posted at 10/19/2011 2:51 PM EDT
In Response to Re: The real story of Theo Epstien
In Response to Re: The real story of Theo Epstien : Geez, take your head out of the sand now and then so you can breathe. Yes, they traded for Wily Mo. But that was with the long term in mind because they Nixon was near the end. He wasn't expected to come in and start right away. And that is also why they weren't in the market for a RF before 2006. Guillen is one of those player who might look good in hindsight, but at the time, coming off a leg injury, he wasn't considered a better player than Drew. Cameron was older and not considered a RF. Like I said -- continue to ignore these small inconviences just because they don't fit in your reality. So continue to beat your head against the brick wall -- it explains a lot -- but no, there weren't countless options. I liked Damon and would have taken him as a short-term solution in LF. But where was he going to play back then. He was basically done as a CF. He played one year in CF with the Yankees, who could not wait to move him out of CF. Since then he's been a LF-DH. Back then, do you honestly think he was better than Manny/Bay in LF back then or Ortiz. Crisp wasn't better offensively, but he was younger and better at that point defensively. And the Sox won a W.S. w/o Damon. Just because a player fits for one team, it doesn't mean he's a fit for another. But that takes big-picture thinking and your blinders are so narrow you can barely see one figure in front of you. I could care less about the Schilling money. He led the Sox to two W.S. title. With the payroll the Sox have, taking a gamble that he had something left was fine with me. As for Lowe, Clement and Masterson, this is how you know where people like you lose all credibility because your only defense is hindsight. Yes, Lowe pitched well in the postseason. But his ERA at age 30 in 2003 was 4.47 and his ERA at age 31 in 2004 was 5.42. Two years of pitching getting progressively worse, yet of course you knew that he'd pitch well going forward. I personally wanted Lowe back because I liked him, but I was baseing that on my heart, not my head. From a baseball perspective, I don't blame the Sox for being leary. Clement -- congrats on being consistent by showing absolutely no knowledge of reality. Clement made the All-Star team in 2005. He later got hit by a line drive and was never the same after that. Then he got hurt. But of course, you knew all that was going to happen. Silly me. And Masterson -- you do realize that for the first year and a half after the trade, he stunk. His ERA with Bston at the time of the trade was 4.50; his ERA was 4.55 for the Indians the rest of the year and 4.70 the next. Again, he wasn't getting the job done with the Sox. The Indians were going nowhere and could afford to keep sending him out there and hope he turns things around. Progressively getting better? Are you sure? He was great for four months. Then his ERA was 4.00 for August and 5.65 for September. Looks like after a nice run, he might be progressively getting worse. We'll see. Best starting pitcher signed since Schilling? Hmm -- how about Lester and Buchholz. Being a GM is more than signing FAs. It's the entire picture -- drafting, trading and FA. And Dice K was good for two years. Pitching is a crpshoot. In trying to assemble pitching staffs over a period of nine years, all GMs will have more acquistions that don't pan out than those that do. And you're remark about Scutaro shows how pathetic you are in this debate -- servicable but not a long term solution? Really? That's how you're judging deals on how long they last? He wasn't meant to be a long term solution. Bash all you want, but it's obvious that you can't see the big picture, don't know or remember history and circumstances concerning specific deals and have no context on how to judge Theo with other GMs. Take off the blinders some day and take a look around. You'll be shocked at the number of bad trades and deals other GMs have made.
Posted by royf19
So you failed to answer my simple question, not suprisingly I might add, name the good deals since 2004? Lester and Buchholz... too funny. Firstly, all teams sign their home grown talent to logical, cost effective deals, too bad Theo did do this with Ellsbury. You accuse me of not reading your posts, well if you read mine you would have seen that I emphatically stated that Theo deserves absolute credit for the quality of the farm system, but signing our own guys isn't what we're talking about here. So again, best pitcher signed since Schilling?
Masterson was bad his first year and half in Cleveland, that is your argument? Pretty weak. The guy is 26, I'd say he might have brighter days ahead. You can rationalize anything to yourself can't you? Yet you say I don't think big picture, oh the irony. I'll prefer to take a big picture approach on a 26 year old who just finished his best season with 3.21 ERA, allowed only 11 HR in 216 IP and had a 2.43 K/BB ration. You focus on a couple bad starts in September, how big picture of you.
Oh the old standard Clement argument. No actually you show yourself to be only surface level in your assessment. Check out Clement's 5 starts previous to getting hit with the Crawford liner, 8 ER, 4 ER, 6, ER, 4 ER and 3 ER in the 2 innings before he got hit. 7 HR's mixed in there and a 4.43 ERA when he was hit. He was a mediocre N.L. pitcher who had a good start in the A.L. but teams were figuring him out fast. People make it out like he was Pedro until he got hit, when a quick look at his game logs shows just how ordinary he was and how his numbers after getting hit were roughly the same as before. He was terrible in 2006 before getting hurt and missing all of 2007. Durability and the AL east were never concerns for Lowe, but Theo liked Clement.
I'm seriously destroying you on every point you try to make. The more you write the more you expose your hypocrisy, double standards and lack of knowledge/factual basis. You should really quit while you're only really, really, really far behind.
In the classic apologist mold you say when things go bad it is "just a crapshhot", not all of us feel that powerless and unaccountable.