The Red Sox Have No Backup Outfielder

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    The Red Sox Have No Backup Outfielder

    With Kalish done again (this guy is as fragile as a piece of glass), the 4th outfield spot will be between Sweeney (junk) or Nava (better junk). Maybe this will be an opportunity for Brentz to step forward in spring training and take the job.

     
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    Hassan and Linares are ahead of Brentz at this point in time but a solid spring can turn heads relatively fast! Valentine should have brought Ciriaco north with him instead of waiting until May!

     
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    Not that I have any faith in Brentz, but if he is to be immediately relegated to the role of "backup outfielder," what exactly is anyone supposed to get excited aboutanyway?

     
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    Just pointing out that his failure to take the hot bat in ST north with him was wrong. Brentz if he can handle MLB pitching should be brought along with the big club to Fenway.Yes Valentine is last years news.

     
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    Hassan and Linares are ahead of Brentz at this point in time but a solid spring can turn heads relatively fast! Valentine should have brought Ciriaco north with him instead of waiting until May!



    Linares is not on the 40 man roster. I think we'll DL Kalish, pick up a Pods type OF'er, and use Ciriaco as the 5th OF'er.

     
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    Just pointing out that his failure to take the hot bat in ST north with him was wrong. Brentz if he can handle MLB pitching should be brought along with the big club to Fenway.Yes Valentine is last years news.




    2012 Spring Training OPS:

    • Darnell McDonald:  1.327
    • Daniel Nava:  1.324
    • Pedro Ciriaco: 1.096

    So, by taking McDonald north last year, Valentine did exactly what you are saying he should have done.

    Brentz in 2013?  If he has potential why on earth would you want him and his right handed batting to sit on the bench in Boston when he can play every day in Pawtucket and work on improving his 2012 AAA OPS of .284? 

     
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      There a .10 a doz,   I would rather give a KID a chance to take a position in spring training !!!

     




    Have you not read the thread, or do you not understand my post?

     

     
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    Back up outfielders are always easy to find at the end of spring training if the Sox feel that the guys (Nava, Seweeney, etc) cannot do the job.

    A guy like Brentz needs to get a look as a starting outfielder only at the major league level.  If he can start (off his spring training performance) then keep him, start him and stick with him for at least half the year.  If he is not going to start, send him to Pawtucket so that he can play every day.

    It does not make any sense to me to have a rookie as the back up outfielder at the beginning of the season.  In August or September I could accept that same rookie as a reserve outfielder because that has meant that he had a pretty good four or five months in the minors.

     
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    It's like debating politics with Chauncey Gardiner....

     
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    Hassan and Linares are ahead of Brentz at this point in time but a solid spring can turn heads relatively fast! Valentine should have brought Ciriaco north with him instead of waiting until May!

     



    Linares is not on the 40 man roster. I think we'll DL Kalish, pick up a Pods type OF'er, and use Ciriaco as the 5th OF'er.

     



    I have not heard anything about how long Kalish will be out. If its just six weeks or two months we don't really need to pick up another OF. I would rather see one of our prospects out there.

     
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    In response to SonicsMonksLyresVicars's comment:

    It's like debating politics with Chauncey Gardiner....




    Gardiner had unusually direct access to big time power brokers and his advice was routinely accepted by politicians in his time. Do not dismiss Chauncey Gardiner so quickly!

     
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    It's like debating politics with Chauncey Gardiner....



    Gardiner had unusually direct access to big time power brokers and his advice was routinely accepted by politicians in his time. Do not dismiss Chauncey Gardiner so quickly!




    LOL.

     

    Unless a LHH prospect truly tears it up in ST, I'd rather see a Sweeney or a Linares sitting on the bench in Boston and the prospect(s) playing every day in Pawtucket.

     
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    Some would argue that the Sox have 5 bu outfielders on the roster....not sure that our teams fortune rest on how good our 4th or 5th outfielders are...

    Ells in center 150 games, Gomes in left 120 ish Victorino in right 150 with Sweeney and Nava as backups...that means we'll need about 60 games or so from the reserves...not all that big a deal...

     
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    Ben will trade for Garret Jones before season starts... Perfect fit right now..

     
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    No backup OF?  Of course they do.  They have Gomes.

    You should have entitled this thread "The Sox have no starting OF, 1B, and they are still looking for two starting pitchers; but they do have a lousy SS"

     

    Terrible roster right now - unless baseball makes that rule change requiring all MLB teams to carry 5 catchers - then we will be ahead of the power curve.

     
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    I heard Napoli is willing to fill-in out there on the grass.... just like AGon; Napoli being so valuable and all.

     
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    Jeremy Hazelbaker maybe?  Could be platoon player with Gomes.  He has plus speed, glove, decent pop in his bat

     
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    Painted into the Napoli stinks corner.

     




     

     

     

    Pike is up

    guess that means baseball talk ends now as he pollutes the threads.




    So, he posts, basically, the same thing as you, albeit with a clever pic and you slam him for it?

    I don't get it.

     
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    Jeremy Hazelbaker maybe?  Could be platoon player with Gomes.  He has plus speed, glove, decent pop in his bat



    Hazelbaker should receive an invite to spring training if nothing else.  He doesnt have tremendous upside, but hes a lefty who can play defense.  Hes also 25, so hes gotten a lot of at-bats.

    Most of the leading candidates (Brentz , Linares) dont makes sense because they are righties. Considering that Vic and Jones are better against lefties, it makes sense , from a roster construction standpoint, to bring a lefty into the mix.

    I'd say that Nava, Sweeney , and Hazelbaker should be the internal options considered.  I also wouldnt be surprised to see Bradley given a shot.  This is a 450 AB position, not a backup.  Bradley can play all 3 OF positions and is a lefty.  Although his lack of at-bats at AA and AAA is certainly cause for concern.

     
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    Some would argue that the Sox have 5 bu outfielders on the roster....not sure that our teams fortune rest on how good our 4th or 5th outfielders are...

    Ells in center 150 games, Gomes in left 120 ish Victorino in right 150 with Sweeney and Nava as backups...that means we'll need about 60 games or so from the reserves...not all that big a deal...


    I'm in complete agreement. There is no big problem here. Just another thread with false concerns.



    I don't think they are false concerns, but they are relatively minor ones.    Still, we want the best roster possible 1-25.

    Would Nava & Sweeney be such a terrible backup duo?  Gomes and Victorino both struggle vs RHP and Gomes is not a good fielder.  Nava has a high OBP vs RHP, Sweeney is a (pop-less) .750 OPS vs RHP and Sweeney can field all three OF positions well. 

    How many cheap backup OFs are (ever) available that field well and hit well?  My memory tells me that Pods was brilliant last year....but a quick check reveals that his OPS was .674 (1 HR in 216 PA) and Sweeney's was .675 (0 HR in 219 PA).  And being 9 years younger at 28 Sweeney must have more upside.

     
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    Some would argue that the Sox have 5 bu outfielders on the roster....not sure that our teams fortune rest on how good our 4th or 5th outfielders are...

    Ells in center 150 games, Gomes in left 120 ish Victorino in right 150 with Sweeney and Nava as backups...that means we'll need about 60 games or so from the reserves...not all that big a deal...


    I'm in complete agreement. There is no big problem here. Just another thread with false concerns.

     



    I don't think they are false concerns, but they are relatively minor ones.    Still, we want the best roster possible 1-25.

     

    Would Nava & Sweeney be such a terrible backup duo?  Gomes and Victorino both struggle vs RHP and Gomes is not a good fielder.  Nava has a high OBP vs RHP, Sweeney is a (pop-less) .750 OPS vs RHP and Sweeney can field all three OF positions well. 

    How many cheap backup OFs are (ever) available that field well and hit well?  My memory tells me that Pods was brilliant last year....but a quick check reveals that his OPS was .674 (1 HR in 216 PA) and Sweeney's was .675 (0 HR in 219 PA).  And being 9 years younger at 28 Sweeney must have more upside.



    And Sweeney throws a better punch than Podsednik!

     
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    Some would argue that the Sox have 5 bu outfielders on the roster....not sure that our teams fortune rest on how good our 4th or 5th outfielders are...

    Ells in center 150 games, Gomes in left 120 ish Victorino in right 150 with Sweeney and Nava as backups...that means we'll need about 60 games or so from the reserves...not all that big a deal...


    I'm in complete agreement. There is no big problem here. Just another thread with false concerns.

     



    I don't think they are false concerns, but they are relatively minor ones.    Still, we want the best roster possible 1-25.

     

    Would Nava & Sweeney be such a terrible backup duo?  Gomes and Victorino both struggle vs RHP and Gomes is not a good fielder.  Nava has a high OBP vs RHP, Sweeney is a (pop-less) .750 OPS vs RHP and Sweeney can field all three OF positions well. 

    How many cheap backup OFs are (ever) available that field well and hit well?  My memory tells me that Pods was brilliant last year....but a quick check reveals that his OPS was .674 (1 HR in 216 PA) and Sweeney's was .675 (0 HR in 219 PA).  And being 9 years younger at 28 Sweeney must have more upside.

     



    And Sweeney throws a better punch than Podsednik!

     




    Although not as good as Coco...

     
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    I disagree, they have plenty of backup outfielders.  Only problem is 2 of them will be starting.

     
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    In response to SonicsMonksLyresVicars' comment:

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    Some would argue that the Sox have 5 bu outfielders on the roster....not sure that our teams fortune rest on how good our 4th or 5th outfielders are...

    Ells in center 150 games, Gomes in left 120 ish Victorino in right 150 with Sweeney and Nava as backups...that means we'll need about 60 games or so from the reserves...not all that big a deal...


    I'm in complete agreement. There is no big problem here. Just another thread with false concerns.

     



    I don't think they are false concerns, but they are relatively minor ones.    Still, we want the best roster possible 1-25.

     

    Would Nava & Sweeney be such a terrible backup duo?  Gomes and Victorino both struggle vs RHP and Gomes is not a good fielder.  Nava has a high OBP vs RHP, Sweeney is a (pop-less) .750 OPS vs RHP and Sweeney can field all three OF positions well. 

    How many cheap backup OFs are (ever) available that field well and hit well?  My memory tells me that Pods was brilliant last year....but a quick check reveals that his OPS was .674 (1 HR in 216 PA) and Sweeney's was .675 (0 HR in 219 PA).  And being 9 years younger at 28 Sweeney must have more upside.



    Yup, I'm not quite sure why posters think there is such a huge difference between Kalish and Sweeney.  If I wanted someone to start in the OF for the next 5 years, I'd pick Kalish.  If I need a #5 OF, Sweeney is probably slightly better than Kalish.  Here's a choice for you-

    Player A .275/.333/.366/.699

    Player B .290/.326/.373/.699

    Those stats are over three years, so it isn't a tiny sample size.  And one of those two players will be our #5, and one of them will be the NYY starting RF.

     
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