The Red Sox Have No Plan

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    The Red Sox Have No Plan

    Nothing else can explain the Victorino signing other than the fact that they have no plan. Paying this guy and giving him a 38% raise after the season he had is absurd.

    Patchwork signings and no room for young players.

    Team gets older.

     

     
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    Nothing else can explain the Victorino signing other than the fact that they have no plan. Paying this guy and giving him a 38% raise after the season he had is absurd.

    Patchwork signings and no room for young players.

    Team gets older.

     The red sox have no plan? So call them with your plan and we can start selling world series tickets. 75 % of posters on here are under age and should show some kind of ID. You kids are funny though........... 

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    I don't get how this hurts the young plays they have no 1bman in the system, Kalish with the nontendering of Sweeny and the signing of Gomes is going a lot of AB, who would you have play RF?, and Lavarnway could be the starting catcher. If any thing these are great moves for the youth of the team.

     
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    A. Still plenty of room for young players (which young players are you referring to anyway?  Kalish?  He will get reps.  Gomez?  Not ready for prime-time.  Bradley?  NRFPT)

    B. Do you just assume that the Victorino & Napoli signings were made with no connection to making a deal for pitching?  Victorino as CF sub if Ellsbury can be packaged?  Napoli as backup catcher so Lavarnway or Salty can be moved?  

     

     
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    A. Still plenty of room for young players (which young players are you referring to anyway?  Kalish?  He will get reps.  Gomez?  Not ready for prime-time.  Bradley?  NRFPT)

    B. Do you just assume that the Victorino & Napoli signings were made with no connection to making a deal for pitching?  Victorino as CF sub if Ellsbury can be packaged?  Napoli as backup catcher so Lavarnway or Salty can be moved?  

     

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    They already got Ross for that.  either Lava or Salty are gone.

    Again they paid too much for Victorino,  but he is a good player. 

     
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    A. Still plenty of room for young players (which young players are you referring to anyway?  Kalish?  He will get reps.  Gomez?  Not ready for prime-time.  Bradley?  NRFPT)

    B. Do you just assume that the Victorino & Napoli signings were made with no connection to making a deal for pitching?  Victorino as CF sub if Ellsbury can be packaged?  Napoli as backup catcher so Lavarnway or Salty can be moved?  

     

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    They already got Ross for that.  either Lava or Salty are gone.

    Again they paid too much for Victorino,  but he is a good player. 

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    Sure.  But, if Salty is moved, Napoli is good insurance, as Lavarnway may or may not be ready for prime time behind the plate.

     
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    Yes sir a billion dollor franchise has no plan.......keep on believing that yes sir.....

     
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    Where's carnie when you need him?

     
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    the signings have something in common. versatility. trust me. they have a plan

     
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    the signings have something in common. versatility. trust me. they have a plan

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    ADG must thing they just throw darts at a board and whoever it lands on they sign. what a fool

     
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    the signings have something in common. versatility. trust me. they have a plan

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    ADG must thing they just throw darts at a board and whoever it lands on they sign. what a fool

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    I'd like to think that's how the Sox got BV as a manager, rather than believe someone in the
    FO actually thought he was the best choice.

     
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    A. Still plenty of room for young players (which young players are you referring to anyway?  Kalish?  He will get reps.  Gomez?  Not ready for prime-time.  Bradley?  NRFPT)

    B. Do you just assume that the Victorino & Napoli signings were made with no connection to making a deal for pitching?  Victorino as CF sub if Ellsbury can be packaged?  Napoli as backup catcher so Lavarnway or Salty can be moved?  

     

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    They already got Ross for that.  either Lava or Salty are gone.

    Again they paid too much for Victorino,  but he is a good player. 

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    Thats impossible.  A good player for 13M is a bargain in today's market.  Wake up and smell the inflation.  

    Seriously , who coined that?  Was it you, Carnie?

     
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    Or was it HSFsoxnot or Mef?

     
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    Nothing else can explain the Victorino signing other than the fact that they have no plan. Paying this guy and giving him a 38% raise after the season he had is absurd.

    Patchwork signings and no room for young players.

    Team gets older.

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    Nothing can be further from the truth, Cherington has addressed DIRECT areas of need on the team with his acquisitions so far including the new manager and coaching staff...that should be considered PLAN A.

    The players they've signed, although getting overpiad, have been acquired on short-term deals meaning they are keeping the doors open for the influx of youth from the farm system who are likely 2-3 years away from being MLB ready. PLAN B.

    Napoli and Victorino provide line-up and roster flexibility. Bringing in Gomes is a perfect fit for platooning Kalish in LF against certain RHP. If Bradley is still around when all the dust settles there is still a strong likelihood that he replaces Ellsbury in CF. PLAN C.

    PLAN D - Acquisition of a starting pitcher is still in the works, but  now Ellsbury and a catcher might be on the table with their potential replacements being in-house now.

    PLAN E - Acquisition of a SS, if a suitable replacement for Iglesias can be acquired. Otherwise he shares time with Ciriaco.

    PLAN F - Acquistion of a LHH 1B with strong defensive skills to serve as late inning replacement for Napoli if he is playing 1B.

     

     

     

     
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    the signings have something in common. versatility. trust me. they have a plan

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    ADG must thing they just throw darts at a board and whoever it lands on they sign. what a fool

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    Yeah and Keith Law, Jim Caple and a few others think the Victorino signing was laughable.

     
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    Yeah and Keith Law, Jim Caple and a few others think the Victorino signing was laughable.


    Keith Law is right about as often as Gordon Edes.

     
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    A. Still plenty of room for young players (which young players are you referring to anyway?  Kalish?  He will get reps.  Gomez?  Not ready for prime-time.  Bradley?  NRFPT)

    B. Do you just assume that the Victorino & Napoli signings were made with no connection to making a deal for pitching?  Victorino as CF sub if Ellsbury can be packaged?  Napoli as backup catcher so Lavarnway or Salty can be moved?  

     

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    They already got Ross for that.  either Lava or Salty are gone.

    Again they paid too much for Victorino,  but he is a good player. 

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    Thats impossible.  A good player for 13M is a bargain in today's market.  Wake up and smell the inflation.  

    Seriously , who coined that?  Was it you, Carnie?

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    I think it was mef429, at least he was the first I saw use it.

     
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    Nothing else can explain the Victorino signing other than the fact that they have no plan. Paying this guy and giving him a 38% raise after the season he had is absurd.

    Patchwork signings and no room for young players.

    Team gets older.

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    Nothing can be further from the truth, Cherington has addressed DIRECT areas of need on the team with his acquisitions so far including the new manager and coaching staff...that should be considered PLAN A.

    The players they've signed, although getting overpiad, have been acquired on short-term deals meaning they are keeping the doors open for the influx of youth from the farm system who are likely 2-3 years away from being MLB ready. PLAN B.

    Napoli and Victorino provide line-up and roster flexibility. Bringing in Gomes is a perfect fit for platooning Kalish in LF against certain RHP. If Bradley is still around when all the dust settles there is still a strong likelihood that he replaces Ellsbury in CF. PLAN C.

    PLAN D - Acquisition of a starting pitcher is still in the works, but  now Ellsbury and a catcher might be on the table with their potential replacements being in-house now.

    PLAN E - Acquisition of a SS, if a suitable replacement for Iglesias can be acquired. Otherwise he shares time with Ciriaco.

    PLAN F - Acquistion of a LHH 1B with strong defensive skills to serve as late inning replacement for Napoli if he is playing 1B.

     

     

     

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    You're dreaming. A $170M payroll and he's spending money on back-up players to be starters.
    Why would Ben rely on farm players who may or may not make it, when he has the money now to field a championship team?

    and if you think Ben is going to get top of the rotation starter, you are sadly mistaken. He already thinks 1 thru 4 is set so he might get a 5th starter.

    And as far as 1B, Lance Berkman on a 1-2 year deal would have made a heck of a lot more sense than Napoli and for 1/3 the price.

     
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    You're dreaming. A $170M payroll and he's spending money on back-up players to be starters.
    Why would Ben rely on farm players who may or may not make it, when he has the money now to field a championship team?

    and if you think Ben is going to get top of the rotation starter, you are sadly mistaken. He already thinks 1 thru 4 is set so he might get a 5th starter.

    And as far as 1B, Lance Berkman on a 1-2 year deal would have made a heck of a lot more sense than Napoli and for 1/3 the price.

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    First off, just because the luxury tax limit is $170 million and the Sox can afford to spend to it, that does not mean they should if the right players are not in the marketplace to invest that money in. Inaccurate comment #1.

    Since when have Napoli and Victorino been backup players?? Napoli was with the Angels a few years back when he platooned with Mathis, but that was a few years ago and he was the #1 catcher even with Mathis. You might be right about Gomes, but let's look at him as the new Kevin Millar....On the whole, inaccurate comment #2.

    Who said that Cherington was going after a #1 starter?? Depending on what the market is for Ellsbury will likely dictate what level of SP they acquire, if they turn to free agency then there is no more than a #3 out there with Sanchez and his price is likely too steep. Lets make that inaccurate comment #3.

    Signing 39 year old Lance Berkman instead of Napoli would have produced more negative feedback then Cherington is getting on here now. Funny how on one hand you want them to spend to the limit, but then on the other hand go on the cheap to sign someone who is no more than a true backup player at this stage of his career. He might get lucky and go back to Houston to be they're DH...or maybe the Sox will sign him to a minor league deal and let him try for a roster spot. That takes us to inaccurate comment #4.

    At least you are consistent with your inaccuracies. It seems to be relative it just about all your posts.

     
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    In response to ADG's comment:
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    Nothing else can explain the Victorino signing other than the fact that they have no plan. Paying this guy and giving him a 38% raise after the season he had is absurd.

    Patchwork signings and no room for young players.

    Team gets older.

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    The plan is simple, they don't want to trade top prospects, or sign a top FA.  Napoli I can understand because of Papi's age and the fact he can fill a couple other positions which is why I loved having Victor.  Gomes is just another platoon guy and Victorino doesn't have the talent Jacoby does when healthy.

    So in other words they do have a plan, just not a good one unless its to create depth at various positions, if thats the case Swisher may be the next guy in Boston to play 1B and the OF.

     
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    Yeah and Keith Law, Jim Caple and a few others think the Victorino signing was laughable.



    Keith Law is right about as often as Gordon Edes.

     

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    carnie - You are missing the point. Everyone in baseball thinks the move was stupid based on the money thrown at this guy. Expectations were that he'd get $7M per year. The Red Sox essentially paid double. The other teams involved were Seattle and Cleveland. Do you think they were offering anywhere near that much? Wake up.

     
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    In response to carnie's comment:
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    In response to ADG's comment:

    Yeah and Keith Law, Jim Caple and a few others think the Victorino signing was laughable.



    Keith Law is right about as often as Gordon Edes.

     

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    carnie - You are missing the point. Everyone in baseball thinks the move was stupid based on the money thrown at this guy. Expectations were that he'd get $7M per year. The Red Sox essentially paid double. The other teams involved were Seattle and Cleveland. Do you think they were offering anywhere near that much? Wake up.

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    Um.  Yes.  Cleveland actually offered more.

     
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    It sure looks as though the plan is to dump Ellsbury, who was almost certain to leave after 2013 anyway.  The Sox treated Ellsbury shabbily in 2010 and that was going to weigh heavily against any re-signing. 

    I personally would have kept Ellsbury, but I can understand the logic behind letting him go, presumably to get more pitching.  I also think the Sox are convinced Ellsbury will never again come anywhere near his 2011 numbers.  They could be right. 

    Napoli to me makes a lot of sense because he is a good righty bat who can catch and play 1B.  Reportedly, he handles pitchers well, which just might have been part of the problem with the horrible 2012 team ERA. 

    I don't know squat about Gomes, but he is a righty bat in a righty park and reportedly good in the clubhouse. 

     
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    In response to ADG's comment:
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    In response to carnie's comment:
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    In response to ADG's comment:

    Yeah and Keith Law, Jim Caple and a few others think the Victorino signing was laughable.



    Keith Law is right about as often as Gordon Edes.

     

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    carnie - You are missing the point. Everyone in baseball thinks the move was stupid based on the money thrown at this guy. Expectations were that he'd get $7M per year. The Red Sox essentially paid double. The other teams involved were Seattle and Cleveland. Do you think they were offering anywhere near that much? Wake up.

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    Well let`s try to look at the bright side,with all these great moves,they just might get that ever elusive .500 season.

     
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