The Sox Biggest Problem: Farrell, Ben C and Lucchino

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    The Sox Biggest Problem: Farrell, Ben C and Lucchino

    While the players have no been great this year, it has become pretty clear our biggest problem lies at the top. The sox FO/management has continually struggled with making all kinds of decisions, from simple to the more complex ones. Just looking at recent years, its hard not to notice the continual series of mistakes made by the FO. Whether it be in free agency, with trades, or roster decisions, there has just been way too many wrong decisions. 


    Free Agency:


    Signing the right players for the right price is often not the easiest task, but it is one that competent GM’s/FO’s need to be able to accomplish more often than not This is one area the sox FO has struggled big time. They just can’t seem to make the right signings at the right times. Some of the recent gems include:


    AJ Pierzynski - Horrible fit, bad clubhouse guy who should never have been signed in the first place. Going with 2 old catchers is never a smart strategy.


    John Lackey - While he has pitched well this year and last, we cannot ignore his first 2 years with the team during which he posted era’s of 4.40 and 6.41. He then missed the next season entirely. So the sox FO essentially paid $90 mill for 2 good years of big john. 


    Shane Victorino - In his first year with the team, he missed 40 games due to various injuries but did play well when he was able to get on the field. This year he has already missed a whopping 76 of 100 games. He is under contract for next season which will be the last of his 3 yr 39 mill deal, but the question is, how many games will he play? If the trend continues, this signing could go down as a massive flop.


    Ryan Dempster - Great guy, bad signing. What makes this signing bad other than his onfield performance, was the fact that anyone with 2 eyes (heck one eye) could have seen this one coming. Prior to being signed by the sox in Ben’s first offseason, dempster was coming off a brutal stint with the rangers in his first taste of AL baseball. He posted a 5.09 era in 12 starts during which he allowed 10 homers. Despite that, Ben still signed him for 2 years. 


    Jonny Gomes - He is a role player, nothing more. A right handed bat off the bench who has posted good career numbers against lefties, but struggled to hit righties. Had gomes been used in that role exclusively and ben not overpaid him, he would not have been on this list. The fact that gomes played in 116 games for the sox last year exposed his flaws and took him out of the role he thrived in during recent years. He is a horrible defender who should play no other position besides DH. The fact that Ben signed him to platoon with nava rather than going out and getting an everyday LF was inexcusable. LF has always been a positions where you have one of your big bats (think manny, bay etc) Having 2 guys who should have been back-ups man that spot was a big part of the sox offensive woes this year. 


    Napoli over Abreu - Going into last offseason, the sox had the opportunity to sign a missing piece of the teams future, a long term answer at 1B. Mike Napoli’s contract was up and Jose Abreu was making the jump to the MLB. At 26 yrs of age, Abreu was entering right into the best years of his career and possessed the ability to be one of the best power bats in the MLB. Abreu would have only cost the sox money, no prospects or draft picks. What did the sox do? Rather than take a chance on a guy with huge potential who would fill a long term need, they took the safe stop-gap route and signed napoli to a 2 yr / 32 mill deal. Abreu signed with the white sox for 6 yrs/ 68 mill. Reports suggest that we were outbid by the white sox by $5-6 million in the end, which for a team with some much money seems unacceptable to me for one. Now abreu is one his way to a 30+ homer season while napoli has struggled to stay healthy/produce this year and we still have no longterm answer at 1B. 


    Trades - Well, there isn’t really much to look at in this department as ben has done little in terms of trades. 


    Peavy for jose iglesias - Had it not been for iglesias’ injuries, this trade might have looked a lot worse than it currently does. Peavy has given us nearly 1.5 yrs of decent production and will likely get dealt in the coming days for a marginal return at best. 


    Hanrahan and holt for melancon, sands, dejesus jr and pimental - This one looked bad until the recent emergence of brock holt. Melancon has been great for the pirates and pimental still has the potential to be a quality big leaguer. Hanrahan basically proved to be useless to the sox due to multiple injuries which lead to him being let going following  his only season with the sox. Holt has emerged this year and has basically saved this deal for the sox. Ben ultimately got lucky on this one as nobody expected holt to be more than utility guy. We will see if he keeps it up for the remaining 62 games this year. 


    Ben and the FO’s: I will finish by touching upon this because it is something that I and many other sox fans disagree with. What I am referring to is Ben/The FO’s new found philosophy of only signing old players to short term deals. (see gomes, dempster, victorino, napoli, AJ) Plain and simple, it doesn’t work. If you have a team full of older players on short term deals, your team won’t go very far. The best players in the MLB are all on long term big money deals (with the exception of some really young guys), why? Because you have to pay for top notch talent. The sox FO found out first hand this year why the short term/old player philosophy/mentality doesn’t work. Old players get injured, decline and tend to lead to more questions than answers. Again, you have to pay for talent. So far ben has stuck to his philosophy and played it safe. All of his signing have been vets on short term deals. I’m still waiting for him to make his first big move. Be it a big trade or signing or both. A move that alters the franchise and gears it up for the road ahead. I’m talking a stanton or tulo or cargo or hamels or scherzer or hanley (we could use a few of those kind of players) But first and foremost, Ben needs to resign Lester. Lets not confuse this with the ellsbury situation. Lester is the ace of our staff, leader of the rotation, and has been as durable a starter as there is in baseball. He is a cornerstone of this team. And he wants to stay here and has thrived in boston. The 4 yr 70 mill offer the FO made to Lester prior to the season was an absolute joke. They know the market, they know what pitchers of his quality go for. 5 yrs 100+ mill should have been the starting point out of respect for lester. And given the uncertainty surrounding the rest of the rotation, i’m shocked the FO would take any chances with him. Had the sox FO signed him before the season, chances are they would have got him for much less then they will have to pay now given the great season he is having. Just another one of the many poor decisions made by the FO. 


     

     
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    Oh and to touch on farrell, my biggest gripe with him is the constant line up shuffling/changes and the lack of in game managing skills. Farrell is a pitching coach who is trying to coach a team without having the game management skills needed to do so. And it shows during games when it comes to situations that require him to use some in game managerial skills. Knowing when to play small ball and try to manufacture runs, taking pitchers out at the right time, bringing the right pitchers in all are aspects of the job which he struggles at. The ability to make and stick to line ups might be his biggest downfall. Especially when it comes to letting the young guys get at bats on a consistent basis, which ultimately aids their development as major league hitters. For instance, jackie bradley went 2 for 5 yesterday with 2 doubles yet was benched today. How is he supposed to build on the success he had yesterday when he gets benched today? Hows he going to learn to hit lefties if he gets benched every time we face one? Nava went 3 for 5 yesterday, benched today for gomes. I don’t care that gomes has better career stats against lefties, play the guy who is swinging the hot bat. Also, in terms of the line up itself, hitting victorino in the 6 spot makes no sense, he’s a contact hitter who has above average speed and is good at getting on base, he should be hitting in the 2 spot pushing pedroia to the 3 and ortiz to the 4. Perhaps then ortiz would have had the chance to drive him in today seeing as victorino was 3/4 and ortiz had a double and a homer. Tomorrow our line up should be this:

    Holt

    Victorino

    Pedroia

    Oritz

    Napoli

    Bogaerts (put some good bats behind xander to increase the chances of him seeing some good pitches)

    Drew 

    Vasquez 

    Bradley Jr

     

    Can’t wait to see what joke of a line up farrell comes up with tomorrow. 

     
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    In response to redsoxpride34's comment:
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    While the players have no been great this year, it has become pretty clear our biggest problem lies at the top. The sox FO/management has continually struggled with making all kinds of decisions, from simple to the more complex ones. Just looking at recent years, its hard not to notice the continual series of mistakes made by the FO. Whether it be in free agency, with trades, or roster decisions, there has just been way too many wrong decisions. 

     

    Free Agency:

     

    Signing the right players for the right price is often not the easiest task, but it is one that competent GM’s/FO’s need to be able to accomplish more often than not This is one area the sox FO has struggled big time. They just can’t seem to make the right signings at the right times. Some of the recent gems include:

     

    AJ Pierzynski - Horrible fit, bad clubhouse guy who should never have been signed in the first place. Going with 2 old catchers is never a smart strategy.

     

    John Lackey - While he has pitched well this year and last, we cannot ignore his first 2 years with the team during which he posted era’s of 4.40 and 6.41. He then missed the next season entirely. So the sox FO essentially paid $90 mill for 2 good years of big john. 

     

    Shane Victorino - In his first year with the team, he missed 40 games due to various injuries but did play well when he was able to get on the field. This year he has already missed a whopping 76 of 100 games. He is under contract for next season which will be the last of his 3 yr 39 mill deal, but the question is, how many games will he play? If the trend continues, this signing could go down as a massive flop.

     

    Ryan Dempster - Great guy, bad signing. What makes this signing bad other than his onfield performance, was the fact that anyone with 2 eyes (heck one eye) could have seen this one coming. Prior to being signed by the sox in Ben’s first offseason, dempster was coming off a brutal stint with the rangers in his first taste of AL baseball. He posted a 5.09 era in 12 starts during which he allowed 10 homers. Despite that, Ben still signed him for 2 years. 

     

    Jonny Gomes - He is a role player, nothing more. A right handed bat off the bench who has posted good career numbers against lefties, but struggled to hit righties. Had gomes been used in that role exclusively and ben not overpaid him, he would not have been on this list. The fact that gomes played in 116 games for the sox last year exposed his flaws and took him out of the role he thrived in during recent years. He is a horrible defender who should play no other position besides DH. The fact that Ben signed him to platoon with nava rather than going out and getting an everyday LF was inexcusable. LF has always been a positions where you have one of your big bats (think manny, bay etc) Having 2 guys who should have been back-ups man that spot was a big part of the sox offensive woes this year. 

     

    Napoli over Abreu - Going into last offseason, the sox had the opportunity to sign a missing piece of the teams future, a long term answer at 1B. Mike Napoli’s contract was up and Jose Abreu was making the jump to the MLB. At 26 yrs of age, Abreu was entering right into the best years of his career and possessed the ability to be one of the best power bats in the MLB. Abreu would have only cost the sox money, no prospects or draft picks. What did the sox do? Rather than take a chance on a guy with huge potential who would fill a long term need, they took the safe stop-gap route and signed napoli to a 2 yr / 32 mill deal. Abreu signed with the white sox for 6 yrs/ 68 mill. Reports suggest that we were outbid by the white sox by $5-6 million in the end, which for a team with some much money seems unacceptable to me for one. Now abreu is one his way to a 30+ homer season while napoli has struggled to stay healthy/produce this year and we still have no longterm answer at 1B. 

     

    Trades - Well, there isn’t really much to look at in this department as ben has done little in terms of trades. 

     

    Peavy for jose iglesias - Had it not been for iglesias’ injuries, this trade might have looked a lot worse than it currently does. Peavy has given us nearly 1.5 yrs of decent production and will likely get dealt in the coming days for a marginal return at best. 

     

    Hanrahan and holt for melancon, sands, dejesus jr and pimental - This one looked bad until the recent emergence of brock holt. Melancon has been great for the pirates and pimental still has the potential to be a quality big leaguer. Hanrahan basically proved to be useless to the sox due to multiple injuries which lead to him being let going following  his only season with the sox. Holt has emerged this year and has basically saved this deal for the sox. Ben ultimately got lucky on this one as nobody expected holt to be more than utility guy. We will see if he keeps it up for the remaining 62 games this year. 

     

    Ben and the FO’s: I will finish by touching upon this because it is something that I and many other sox fans disagree with. What I am referring to is Ben/The FO’s new found philosophy of only signing old players to short term deals. (see gomes, dempster, victorino, napoli, AJ) Plain and simple, it doesn’t work. If you have a team full of older players on short term deals, your team won’t go very far. The best players in the MLB are all on long term big money deals (with the exception of some really young guys), why? Because you have to pay for top notch talent. The sox FO found out first hand this year why the short term/old player philosophy/mentality doesn’t work. Old players get injured, decline and tend to lead to more questions than answers. Again, you have to pay for talent. So far ben has stuck to his philosophy and played it safe. All of his signing have been vets on short term deals. I’m still waiting for him to make his first big move. Be it a big trade or signing or both. A move that alters the franchise and gears it up for the road ahead. I’m talking a stanton or tulo or cargo or hamels or scherzer or hanley (we could use a few of those kind of players) But first and foremost, Ben needs to resign Lester. Lets not confuse this with the ellsbury situation. Lester is the ace of our staff, leader of the rotation, and has been as durable a starter as there is in baseball. He is a cornerstone of this team. And he wants to stay here and has thrived in boston. The 4 yr 70 mill offer the FO made to Lester prior to the season was an absolute joke. They know the market, they know what pitchers of his quality go for. 5 yrs 100+ mill should have been the starting point out of respect for lester. And given the uncertainty surrounding the rest of the rotation, i’m shocked the FO would take any chances with him. Had the sox FO signed him before the season, chances are they would have got him for much less then they will have to pay now given the great season he is having. Just another one of the many poor decisions made by the FO. 

     

     

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    It's hard not to notice that this FO has put together more World Series Championships since they've owned the team.  Apparently, you either didn't notice or mention this.  You never seem to see the forest through the trees and suffer from some serious amnesia and chronic complaining. 

    And as far as signing "old" players to short-term deals, that seemed to have worked out pretty well last year.  Signing certain players to outrageous long-term deals is what got them in trouble.  Getting rid of some of those contracts/commitments allowed them to build around the foundation they already had.  I wouldn't worry too much about those "old" players as they will not be blocking spots for new talent, whether farm-raised or acquired.  

     

     

     
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    I agree with Red SoxPride's well thought out piece and with Rig's and the  Sherriff's comments and  JF's lineup.

    With WMB hitting the ball at AAA it may be the time to give our young Mr. Xander an opportunity to get his swing back and perhaps give him two weeks of steady Left Field play. In the meantime , in two weeks Sox Management will have come to a decision about being buyers or sellers. Thankfully we have four starters ready to go in Toronto and Tampa--these are 2 pretty critical series'.

    The trade issue is you have untradeable commodities unless you consider the Cards a legit trade partner. I think I read, the Cards said they would take Peavy for the cost of his salary, no prospects. DO IT BEN. Felix has been with the team and has seen the mound 2 X in a few weeks--evidently no options left. Houston the Padres, Marlins--work the phones Ben. Jonny Baby--there must be a contender that believes Gomes is the Good Luck Charm that a Playoff Hopeful Team needs.

    BenC here's your chance to be a hero in some wannabe Title Town----TRADE DREW---he's hitting and playing great  D. That move would give Marrero a chance for us to see what he can do under the Bright Lights. 

    This is my opinion---WMB would be a good replacement for Headley in San Diego with a young team being built there. Either Holt or Bett's or Cecch to man 3 B and Xander the heir apparent LF'der.

    If JF, BenC and LL all did the jobs they were hired to do and if each had the confidence knowing the others were doing their jobs this machine could Humm right along to a late season charge.

     
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    In response to redsoxpride34's comment:
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    While the players have no been great this year, it has become pretty clear our biggest problem lies at the top. The sox FO/management has continually struggled with making all kinds of decisions, from simple to the more complex ones. Just looking at recent years, its hard not to notice the continual series of mistakes made by the FO. Whether it be in free agency, with trades, or roster decisions, there has just been way too many wrong decisions. 

     

    Free Agency:

     

    Signing the right players for the right price is often not the easiest task, but it is one that competent GM’s/FO’s need to be able to accomplish more often than not This is one area the sox FO has struggled big time. They just can’t seem to make the right signings at the right times. Some of the recent gems include:

     

    AJ Pierzynski - Horrible fit, bad clubhouse guy who should never have been signed in the first place. Going with 2 old catchers is never a smart strategy.

     

    John Lackey - While he has pitched well this year and last, we cannot ignore his first 2 years with the team during which he posted era’s of 4.40 and 6.41. He then missed the next season entirely. So the sox FO essentially paid $90 mill for 2 good years of big john. 

     

    Shane Victorino - In his first year with the team, he missed 40 games due to various injuries but did play well when he was able to get on the field. This year he has already missed a whopping 76 of 100 games. He is under contract for next season which will be the last of his 3 yr 39 mill deal, but the question is, how many games will he play? If the trend continues, this signing could go down as a massive flop.

     

    Ryan Dempster - Great guy, bad signing. What makes this signing bad other than his onfield performance, was the fact that anyone with 2 eyes (heck one eye) could have seen this one coming. Prior to being signed by the sox in Ben’s first offseason, dempster was coming off a brutal stint with the rangers in his first taste of AL baseball. He posted a 5.09 era in 12 starts during which he allowed 10 homers. Despite that, Ben still signed him for 2 years. 

     

    Jonny Gomes - He is a role player, nothing more. A right handed bat off the bench who has posted good career numbers against lefties, but struggled to hit righties. Had gomes been used in that role exclusively and ben not overpaid him, he would not have been on this list. The fact that gomes played in 116 games for the sox last year exposed his flaws and took him out of the role he thrived in during recent years. He is a horrible defender who should play no other position besides DH. The fact that Ben signed him to platoon with nava rather than going out and getting an everyday LF was inexcusable. LF has always been a positions where you have one of your big bats (think manny, bay etc) Having 2 guys who should have been back-ups man that spot was a big part of the sox offensive woes this year. 

     

    Napoli over Abreu - Going into last offseason, the sox had the opportunity to sign a missing piece of the teams future, a long term answer at 1B. Mike Napoli’s contract was up and Jose Abreu was making the jump to the MLB. At 26 yrs of age, Abreu was entering right into the best years of his career and possessed the ability to be one of the best power bats in the MLB. Abreu would have only cost the sox money, no prospects or draft picks. What did the sox do? Rather than take a chance on a guy with huge potential who would fill a long term need, they took the safe stop-gap route and signed napoli to a 2 yr / 32 mill deal. Abreu signed with the white sox for 6 yrs/ 68 mill. Reports suggest that we were outbid by the white sox by $5-6 million in the end, which for a team with some much money seems unacceptable to me for one. Now abreu is one his way to a 30+ homer season while napoli has struggled to stay healthy/produce this year and we still have no longterm answer at 1B. 

     

    Trades - Well, there isn’t really much to look at in this department as ben has done little in terms of trades. 

     

    Peavy for jose iglesias - Had it not been for iglesias’ injuries, this trade might have looked a lot worse than it currently does. Peavy has given us nearly 1.5 yrs of decent production and will likely get dealt in the coming days for a marginal return at best. 

     

    Hanrahan and holt for melancon, sands, dejesus jr and pimental - This one looked bad until the recent emergence of brock holt. Melancon has been great for the pirates and pimental still has the potential to be a quality big leaguer. Hanrahan basically proved to be useless to the sox due to multiple injuries which lead to him being let going following  his only season with the sox. Holt has emerged this year and has basically saved this deal for the sox. Ben ultimately got lucky on this one as nobody expected holt to be more than utility guy. We will see if he keeps it up for the remaining 62 games this year. 

     

    Ben and the FO’s: I will finish by touching upon this because it is something that I and many other sox fans disagree with. What I am referring to is Ben/The FO’s new found philosophy of only signing old players to short term deals. (see gomes, dempster, victorino, napoli, AJ) Plain and simple, it doesn’t work. If you have a team full of older players on short term deals, your team won’t go very far. The best players in the MLB are all on long term big money deals (with the exception of some really young guys), why? Because you have to pay for top notch talent. The sox FO found out first hand this year why the short term/old player philosophy/mentality doesn’t work. Old players get injured, decline and tend to lead to more questions than answers. Again, you have to pay for talent. So far ben has stuck to his philosophy and played it safe. All of his signing have been vets on short term deals. I’m still waiting for him to make his first big move. Be it a big trade or signing or both. A move that alters the franchise and gears it up for the road ahead. I’m talking a stanton or tulo or cargo or hamels or scherzer or hanley (we could use a few of those kind of players) But first and foremost, Ben needs to resign Lester. Lets not confuse this with the ellsbury situation. Lester is the ace of our staff, leader of the rotation, and has been as durable a starter as there is in baseball. He is a cornerstone of this team. And he wants to stay here and has thrived in boston. The 4 yr 70 mill offer the FO made to Lester prior to the season was an absolute joke. They know the market, they know what pitchers of his quality go for. 5 yrs 100+ mill should have been the starting point out of respect for lester. And given the uncertainty surrounding the rest of the rotation, i’m shocked the FO would take any chances with him. Had the sox FO signed him before the season, chances are they would have got him for much less then they will have to pay now given the great season he is having. Just another one of the many poor decisions made by the FO. 

     

     

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    Good post. You forgot Ben's trade for Andrew (bubble wrap me) Bailey which was another disaster. I do not think that Ben is anything more than an errand boy for Larry Luchinno. I do not think Luchinno knows how to judge talent. It looks like instead of paying and getting top flight ball players he picked up cheaper players on the short term to compete. Victorino is hurt too much and took a beating in Philladelphia. Dempster was not a good fit and was mediocre. Gomes could have been picked up for a lot cheaper contract than they paid him. Napoli is decent but strikes out way too much for a 5 hitter. Pedroia looks old to me and like his best years are behind him. Instead of starting one rookie player in their lineup, they went with two and both struggled. Rookie players are at major league minimum and Larry likes major league minimum. The FO went into the season thinking the same thing that happened last year was going to happen this year, so they snoozed at the Winter Meetings and let two offensively productive players walk ( Saltalamachia and Ellsbury) for cheaper and older talent. Big mistake. 

     
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    While the players have no been great this year, it has become pretty clear our biggest problem lies at the top. The sox FO/management has continually struggled with making all kinds of decisions, from simple to the more complex ones. Just looking at recent years, its hard not to notice the continual series of mistakes made by the FO. Whether it be in free agency, with trades, or roster decisions, there has just been way too many wrong decisions. 

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    Good God.  Lackey, Victorino, Gomes etc. were instrumental in us winning it all last year.  Don't championships mean anything anymore?

     
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    Oh and to touch on farrell, my biggest gripe with him is the constant line up shuffling/changes and the lack of in game managing skills. Farrell is a pitching coach who is trying to coach a team without having the game management skills needed to do so. And it shows during games when it comes to situations that require him to use some in game managerial skills. Knowing when to play small ball and try to manufacture runs, taking pitchers out at the right time, bringing the right pitchers in all are aspects of the job which he struggles at. The ability to make and stick to line ups might be his biggest downfall. Especially when it comes to letting the young guys get at bats on a consistent basis, which ultimately aids their development as major league hitters. For instance, jackie bradley went 2 for 5 yesterday with 2 doubles yet was benched today. How is he supposed to build on the success he had yesterday when he gets benched today? Hows he going to learn to hit lefties if he gets benched every time we face one? Nava went 3 for 5 yesterday, benched today for gomes. I don’t care that gomes has better career stats against lefties, play the guy who is swinging the hot bat. Also, in terms of the line up itself, hitting victorino in the 6 spot makes no sense, he’s a contact hitter who has above average speed and is good at getting on base, he should be hitting in the 2 spot pushing pedroia to the 3 and ortiz to the 4. Perhaps then ortiz would have had the chance to drive him in today seeing as victorino was 3/4 and ortiz had a double and a homer. Tomorrow our line up should be this:

    Holt

    Victorino

    Pedroia

    Oritz

    Napoli

    Bogaerts (put some good bats behind xander to increase the chances of him seeing some good pitches)

    Drew 

    Vasquez 

    Bradley Jr 

    Can’t wait to see what joke of a line up farrell comes up with tomorrow. 

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    You just pointed out that Nava is swinging a hot bat, which he is, then you sit him.

    You're fired.

     

     
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    We didn't have to score 14 runs in Monday's game.

     

    2 things I wasn't too happy about last night's game.  

    If Sox torn up Jay's pitching scoring 14 runs, why didn't Farrell use at least similar lineup.

    If I were Vic, I would had put down a sac bunt to move runners over to 2nd and 3rd base.  I know he was hitting hard and all but we needed a run very bad.  As soon as Vic came up to the plate I was saying please take one for the team and put down a bunt.  I think Vic's twin killing was the game changer.  

    No i'm not saying because game is over.  

     
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    Dang!

    And here I was, thinking the Sox would never lose another game....

     

     

    I love the smell of asphalt in the morning.

     
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    Dang!

    And here I was, thinking the Sox would never lose another game....

    You're the only true fan.  

     

     

     

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    Re: The Sox Biggest Problem: Farrell, Ben C and Lucchino

    Some points are valid. But aren't we forgetting about signing Uehara as a free agent and look how that turned out. This club was looking for a closer ever since Papelbon left to go to the Phillies. bullpen not bad and I thought the Breslow signing was good until recently. The Yankees went out and spent big and they are barely a .500 team. If these guys can remain healthy there may be a shot. I hear nobody complaining about Ortiz and his big money contract. I think he's worth the money at times. I've seen too many first pitch GIDP. Every organization goes through this. no big deal. You win some you lose some.

     
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    Re: The Sox Biggest Problem: Farrell, Ben C and Lucchino

    There is some I agree with here and some I don't.


    I ask for overall success from the team, not for the FO to get every single move right. It always bothered me when people would nitpick every little misstep of Theo's in the early to middle years of his tenure when we were winning 95 games every year and took home two trophies. 'Not seeing the forest for the trees' I believe is the term.


    The way I see it, Ben C and Farrell earned a lot of patience and benefit of the doubt last year. Clearly some things have gone wrong this season, but mostly not for the reasons the OP listed. (Lackey is a huge plus at the moment. Holt is making the Hanrahan trade worth it all on his own. How would Iglesias have helped us this year? Never liked the Dempster signing much, but we won with him and ended up getting out of year 2. Etc.)


    How the Lester situation is resolved will determine a lot.


    It's easy to nitpick each decision in hindsight, but at the end of the day no front office in the game has delivered more success for their fans since Henry & Co. took over. They have a lot of work to do right now to get back into things, as they did after 2011-12, but I don't see any reason to throw all the good out with the bad.

     
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    Re: The Sox Biggest Problem: Farrell, Ben C and Lucchino

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    Dang!

    And here I was, thinking the Sox would never lose another game....

    You're the only true fan.  

     

     

     

    I love the smell of asphalt in the morning.

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    No, I've just leaned to take the bad along with the good.

    When you find a perfect team, FO or manager out there, you let me know.

    Endless bi*tching is a colossal waste of energy.

    But, if it makes you feel better, go for it.

     
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    Re: The Sox Biggest Problem: Farrell, Ben C and Lucchino

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    We didn't have to score 14 runs in Monday's game.

     

    2 things I wasn't too happy about last night's game.  

    If Sox torn up Jay's pitching scoring 14 runs, why didn't Farrell use at least similar lineup.

    If I were Vic, I would had put down a sac bunt to move runners over to 2nd and 3rd base.  I know he was hitting hard and all but we needed a run very bad.  As soon as Vic came up to the plate I was saying please take one for the team and put down a bunt.  I think Vic's twin killing was the game changer.  

    No i'm not saying because game is over.  

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    Nah, Vic has to swing.  He's a hot hitter with a chance to do some big damage there.  And behind him is Drew, who struggles mightily against lefties and strikes out a lot.  He would be just about the worst possible guy to have up trying to get the run home from third with one out.

    When Vic hit into the DP it was a big play in the game, no doubt about that.  But it doesn't mean it was wrong for him to swing.

     

     
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    Re: The Sox Biggest Problem: Farrell, Ben C and Lucchino

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    Dang!

    And here I was, thinking the Sox would never lose another game....

    You're the only true fan.  

     

     

     

    I love the smell of asphalt in the morning.

    [/QUOTE]


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    No, I've just leaned to take the bad along with the good.

    When you find a perfect team, FO or manager out there, you let me know.

    Endless bi*tching is a colossal waste of energy.

    But, if it makes you feel better, go for it.

    [/QUOTE]

    You win, you go home happy.  You lose, you go out on the street naked and burn down a car.  That's the way it is.  If you can control that, I suggest you start anger management business.  

     
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    Dang!

    And here I was, thinking the Sox would never lose another game....

    You're the only true fan.  

     

     

     

    I love the smell of asphalt in the morning.

    [/QUOTE]


    [/QUOTE]

    No, I've just leaned to take the bad along with the good.

    When you find a perfect team, FO or manager out there, you let me know.

    Endless bi*tching is a colossal waste of energy.

    But, if it makes you feel better, go for it.

    [/QUOTE]

    You win, you go home happy.  You lose, you go out on the street naked and burn down a car.  That's the way it is.  If you can control that, I suggest you start anger management business.  

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    Yeah, I kind of outgrew that stuff 30 years ago.

    I get that the Sox are frustrating to watch this year.

    But seriously, how many different ways can "they don't hit with RISP" be said?

     
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    Re: The Sox Biggest Problem: Farrell, Ben C and Lucchino

    OP is nonsense because it ignores everything that went well, especially winning the WS one year after finishing dead last in the AL East.  

    As for the griping about Farrell's in game managing, that is highly reminiscent of what was written daily about Francona and is all based on this simple notion:  if the Sox lose, the manager must have done something wrong.

    i agree Pierzynski was a bad pick, but the logic was there:  the Sox had two very good catchers in the minors who weren't quite ready, so Ben C got a one year model to bridge the gap.  Salty wasn't that guy.  Maybe someone else was.

    lackey to me was worth it because of last year, especially his huge win over Verlander in game 3 of the ALCS.

     
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    OP is nonsense because it ignores everything that went well, especially winning the WS one year after finishing dead last in the AL East.  

    As for the griping about Farrell's in game managing, that is highly reminiscent of what was written daily about Francona and is all based on this simple notion:  if the Sox lose, the manager must have done something wrong.

    i agree Pierzynski was a bad pick, but the logic was there:  the Sox had two very good catchers in the minors who weren't quite ready, so Ben C got a one year model to bridge the gap.  Salty wasn't that guy.  Maybe someone else was.

    lackey to me was worth it because of last year, especially his huge win over Verlander in game 3 of the ALCS.

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    Thank you for being a reasonable man, max.

     

     
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    Re: The Sox Biggest Problem: Farrell, Ben C and Lucchino

    Lackey wasn't signed by Cherington and was the best pitcher on the team last year.

    Hard to fault Cherington if Gomes has been overplayed by Farrell.

     
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    That’s a mighty long post to state how intolerable you are for players who actually succeed.   “Sure, some of these guys worked out, but they only brought us ONE title, and a lot of them weren’t eve All Stars!”   That is essentially what you are saying.


    Oh, and you are also saying last year’s title was a mistake, because everyone brought on board to win it is on your list.


    With the possible exception of Pierzynksi himself, no one liked that signing.  My best guess is the Sox wanted a short-term catcher with offensive potential, just in case the rookies struggled.  AJ did fit that bill.  And everyone has acknowledged he was only signed to hold down the job until Vazquez was ready.  While he underperformed, he was ultimately discharged exactly as planned and, who doesn’t like Vazquez?


    Ripping Lackey, Dempster, Victorino?  These guys brought the Sox a title, and one we did not think we would see so soon after the disastrous 2012.  Sure, Dempster was not an elite pitcher, and he was not paid like one and no one expected him to pitch like one.  He performed all but exactly as expected.  Sorry if your expectations for back-of-the-rotation starters is that they be Cy Young candidates.  Also, anyone with “2 eyes” probably saw his “brutal stint” with the Rangers started out with 2 bad starts out of his first three, and then actually got pretty good for the remainder.  And how can you rip Victorino?  The guy was a post-season hero last year, and now this year, he is a bad decision that never should have been made?  Lackey looked like a bad decision for the first 3 years, but you wish we never had him either?  These guys were KEYS to 2013, and therefore by definition NOT mistakes.  Even Gomes was not a mistake.  The guy was signed to be a role player, and he was forced into a larger role because of injuries.  Nava as a full time LF?  The guy struggles HEAVILY to hit LHP, which, luckily, is the one thing Gomes does well.  And this from a guy who hates platoons.  It makes me wonder, so how did Uehara escape your wrath?


    If there was a mistake in the Peavy trade, it was giving up Iglesias over the vastly overrated Middlebrooks.  Beyond that, I can handle the success from last year’s team without changing much.


    And I di think you underestimate how much scouting, etc. went into including Holt in the deal.  These kind of trades are not made whimsically.  The Sox obviously had some faith in him in order to get him included. And while he has certainly exceeded expectations, it was not a casual “Oh, what the heck, we can take Holt I guess” situation.


    The Sox did try for Abreu.  The White Sox paid more.  They gambled.  For all the hype, people seem to forget that Abreu was no guarantee to be an instant success.  Just because Yasiel Puig stepped in and became an instant star does not mean every Cuban does.  For example, fellow Cuban big money free agent Alex Guerrero still has yet to make his MLB debut.   While this deal has worked out GREAT for the White Sox, Abreu has exceeded expectatios much in the same way that Holt has.  Yet with Holt, you write it off asluck, while Abreu was a clear and bvious success story in the making.  And all the Abreu hype doesn’t change this.  No foreign free agent ever was more hyped than Daisuke Matsuzaka, and he did not exactly set the league on fire.


    Has the Sox FO made mistakes?  Absolutely  (Pierzynski over Kurt Suzuki.  Lester negotiations. etc.)  Every FO has, especially when hindsight in the barometer.  But most teams and their fans will at least acknowledge that they probably shouldn’t list “winning the World Series” as one of the mistakes.


    I think mistakes are moves like not bringing back Beltre, dealing Anthony Rizzo (plus) for Adrian Gonzalez.  You know, moves that did not look smart at the time, and did not involve directly erasing the transactions that made a World Series Championship team.   Let me guess – in 2005 you were upset by dealig Henri Stanley for Dave Roberts, since was not an All Star player, either.


    Oh, I forgot the best one.  How did you come to the conclusion that signing players to short-term deals doesn’t work, when that it EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED LAST YEAR?  Is winning the World Series your criteria for “not working?” 


    Sure, the Sox FO isn’t perfect.  But the real problem appears to lie in the expectation from the fans…

     
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    Re: The Sox Biggest Problem: Farrell, Ben C and Lucchino

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    A very well thought out OP. I do not agree with it all... but a commendable OP none the less. 

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    It's the dumbest littany of complaints in recent board history.  It essentially says "The problem with this front office is they built a World Series Champion." 

    It's crowning merit is that it takes the heat off "Betts for Kemp"

     
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    I agree with Red SoxPride's well thought out piece and with Rig's and the  Sherriff's comments and  JF's lineup.

    With WMB hitting the ball at AAA it may be the time to give our young Mr. Xander an opportunity to get his swing back and perhaps give him two weeks of steady Left Field play. In the meantime , in two weeks Sox Management will have come to a decision about being buyers or sellers. Thankfully we have four starters ready to go in Toronto and Tampa--these are 2 pretty critical series'.

    The trade issue is you have untradeable commodities unless you consider the Cards a legit trade partner. I think I read, the Cards said they would take Peavy for the cost of his salary, no prospects. DO IT BEN. Felix has been with the team and has seen the mound 2 X in a few weeks--evidently no options left. Houston the Padres, Marlins--work the phones Ben. Jonny Baby--there must be a contender that believes Gomes is the Good Luck Charm that a Playoff Hopeful Team needs.

    BenC here's your chance to be a hero in some wannabe Title Town----TRADE DREW---he's hitting and playing great  D. That move would give Marrero a chance for us to see what he can do under the Bright Lights. 

    This is my opinion---WMB would be a good replacement for Headley in San Diego with a young team being built there. Either Holt or Bett's or Cecch to man 3 B and Xander the heir apparent LF'der.

    If JF, BenC and LL all did the jobs they were hired to do and if each had the confidence knowing the others were doing their jobs this machine could Humm right along to a late season charge.

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    I don't think being young is the only criteria. I think they want young and the ability to hit a baseball. That means the Padres may have no interest in WMB.

     
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    Re: The Sox Biggest Problem: Farrell, Ben C and Lucchino

    Have you seen the Padres’ offense?  Are you sure they are looking for players who can hit?

     
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    Re: The Sox Biggest Problem: Farrell, Ben C and Lucchino

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    Dang!

    And here I was, thinking the Sox would never lose another game....

    You're the only true fan.  

     

     

     

    I love the smell of asphalt in the morning.

    [/QUOTE]


    [/QUOTE]

    No, I've just leaned to take the bad along with the good.

    When you find a perfect team, FO or manager out there, you let me know.

    Endless bi*tching is a colossal waste of energy.

    But, if it makes you feel better, go for it.

    [/QUOTE]

    Thanks for your permission. I bet you're a blast at social gatherings.

     
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