The Ten Million Dollar Hit

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    The Ten Million Dollar Hit

    What happens if Drew does not play the rest of the season?  Will $10 Million be the most paid ever for one hit?  Should Ben lose his job?  Whoever pushed for Drew should take a leave of absence if this turns out to be the case.

     
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    Re: The Ten Million Dollar Hit

    Vernon Wells is getting paid $18.6 million this year by the Angels and $2.4 million by the Yankees to not play at all.

     
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    Any man with common baseball knowledge knew this was a bust. He hasn't played since last year. Thought the Sox were over foolish spending.

     
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    Re: The Ten Million Dollar Hit

    Drew was a 3.4 WAR player last year.

    Does the signing look bad right now?  OK

    Is Drew overpaid?  Likely, but that remains to be seen.

    Foolish signing?  Hardly.

     

     
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    In response to steven11's comment:
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    What happens if Drew does not play the rest of the season?  Will $10 Million be the most paid ever for one hit?  Should Ben lose his job?  Whoever pushed for Drew should take a leave of absence if this turns out to be the case.

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    Yes, Ben should lose his job because he only won ONE World Series title and then proceeded to sign a player when the team had a void due to injury, only to have that player not work out.  What was this guy thinking?  Clearly, he should not be running an MLB franchise and has obviously forgotten how insanely impatient the fanbase is.

     

    This is sarcasm.  Don't like it?  Don't ask stupid questions.  And no, it is not a legitimate question.  Don't defend it...

     
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    Vernon Wells is getting paid $18.6 million this year by the Angels and $2.4 million by the Yankees to not play at all.

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    Bobby Bonilla is getting paid $1.2mill by the Mets, and he hasn't played for anyone in 13 years.

     

    The Mets have used 7 outfielders this season.  They are paying four of them less than they are paying Bobby Bonilla...

     
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    Vernon Wells is getting paid $18.6 million this year by the Angels and $2.4 million by the Yankees to not play at all.

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    I think it's great when corporations are made to look stupid.

     
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    Drew was a 3.4 WAR player last year.

    Does the signing look bad right now?  OK

    Is Drew overpaid?  Likely, but that remains to be seen.

    Foolish signing?  Hardly.

     

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    [object HTMLDivElement] So we're justifying bad signings with bad stats now, eh? Interesting philosophy.

    WAR scks

     
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    Drew was a 3.4 WAR player last year.

    Does the signing look bad right now?  OK

    Is Drew overpaid?  Likely, but that remains to be seen.

    Foolish signing?  Hardly.

     

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    [object HTMLDivElement] So we're justifying bad signings with bad stats now, eh? Interesting philosophy.

    WAR scks

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    Drew was  777OPS MLB SS with great defense last year. The signing was fine, as we had a need and house money due to Dempster retiring. Should he have stayed in AAA longer (regardless of what the deal was)? YES! He needed it. Im sure he was in great shape physically, but in no way was he in baseball shape.

    To suggest Ben be fired or a leave of absence for this move is just plain laughable...

     
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    Vernon Wells is getting paid $18.6 million this year by the Angels and $2.4 million by the Yankees to not play at all.

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    Bobby Bonilla is getting paid $1.2mill by the Mets, and he hasn't played for anyone in 13 years.

     

    The Mets have used 7 outfielders this season.  They are paying four of them less than they are paying Bobby Bonilla...

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    LOL How did that happen? Bonilla hasn't been a factor in 20 years. Only the Mets........

     
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    Drew was a 3.4 WAR player last year.


    Does the signing look bad right now?  OK


    Is Drew overpaid?  Likely, but that remains to be seen.


    Foolish signing?  Hardly.


     





    [object HTMLDivElement] So we're justifying bad signings with bad stats now, eh? Interesting philosophy.


    WAR scks


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    Drew was  777OPS MLB SS with great defense last year. The signing was fine, as we had a need and house money due to Dempster retiring. Should he have stayed in AAA longer (regardless of what the deal was)? YES! He needed it. Im sure he was in great shape physically, but in no way was he in baseball shape.


    To suggest Ben be fired or a leave of absence for this move is just plain laughable...


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    You're being too kind, paw. Happy Father's day.

     
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    Drew was a 3.4 WAR player last year.

    Does the signing look bad right now?  OK

    Is Drew overpaid?  Likely, but that remains to be seen.

    Foolish signing?  Hardly.

     

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    [object HTMLDivElement] So we're justifying bad signings with bad stats now, eh? Interesting philosophy.

    WAR scks

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    No.  WAR is a perfectly legitimate stat compiled with a logical formula.  Just look at who the WAR leaders are and you'll see that it makes a lot of sense.

    Drew's 3.4 WAR last year makes sense because his OPS was way above average for a SS and his defence was slightly above average.

     
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    Drew was a 3.4 WAR player last year.

    Does the signing look bad right now?  OK

    Is Drew overpaid?  Likely, but that remains to be seen.

    Foolish signing?  Hardly.

     

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    [object HTMLDivElement] So we're justifying bad signings with bad stats now, eh? Interesting philosophy.

    WAR scks

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    No.  WAR is a perfectly legitimate stat compiled with a logical formula.  Just look at who the WAR leaders are and you'll see that it makes a lot of sense.

    Drew's 3.4 WAR last year makes sense because his OPS was way above average for a SS and his defence was slightly above average.

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    Correct.  When some people see stats that disprove what they think they dismiss the stat rather that reassess their own opinion.

    "We don't see things as they are.  We see things as WE are". 

    Having the right to do something doesn't make it the right thing to do.

     

     
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    Re: The Ten Million Dollar Hit

    Drew is expected to play, today 

     
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    Drew was a 3.4 WAR player last year.

    Does the signing look bad right now?  OK

    Is Drew overpaid?  Likely, but that remains to be seen.

    Foolish signing?  Hardly.

     

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    [object HTMLDivElement] So we're justifying bad signings with bad stats now, eh? Interesting philosophy.

    WAR scks

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    Drew was  777OPS MLB SS with great defense last year. The signing was fine, as we had a need and house money due to Dempster retiring. Should he have stayed in AAA longer (regardless of what the deal was)? YES! He needed it. Im sure he was in great shape physically, but in no way was he in baseball shape.

    To suggest Ben be fired or a leave of absence for this move is just plain laughable...

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    I have written a lot of supportive Ben posts.  Wrote this thread and went to bed.  It is sarcasm, I know ten million or paying Size $250K for every 25 at bats, is a drop in the bucket for the sox. 

     
  16. You have chosen to ignore posts from J-BAY. Show J-BAY's posts

    Re: The Ten Million Dollar Hit

    and so he is......

    #redsox: Holt 3B, Pedroia 2B, Ortiz DH, Napoli 1B, Nava LF, Pierzynski C, Sizemore RF, Drew SS, Bradley Jr. CF, Workman RHP

     
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    So we're justifying bad signings with bad stats now, eh? Interesting philosophy.

    WAR scks

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    WAR has been statistically proven to be a very good assessment of a player's contributions to his team in terms of wins.  In a study from The Hardball Times, the correlation coefficient is r = .91.  That translates into an r^2 of .83.   That is pretty daggone good!

     

     
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    The folks who dismiss WAR have no interest in learning anything about it.

     
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    The folks who dismiss WAR have no interest in learning anything about it.

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    EGG ZACH LEE

     
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    Cheer up everyone.  Drew's pay per hit (PPH) average may not go down today but his pay per at bat (PPAB) should.  Maybe he will actually turn one of those AWESOME double plays with Pedey which will increase his WAR, FWAR and PWAR numbers to all-star status and this signing will become a bargain.  Maybe he will even do so well today that the Sox immediately extend him for the 3 yr./39 million contract Boras was talking about thereby keeping him out of the hands of the twenty other teams that are salivating over the chance to sign him after this year.

     
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    Drew was a 3.4 WAR player last year.

    Does the signing look bad right now?  OK

    Is Drew overpaid?  Likely, but that remains to be seen.

    Foolish signing?  Hardly.

     

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    [object HTMLDivElement] So we're justifying bad signings with bad stats now, eh? Interesting philosophy.

    WAR scks

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    No.  WAR is a perfectly legitimate stat compiled with a logical formula.  Just look at who the WAR leaders are and you'll see that it makes a lot of sense.

    Drew's 3.4 WAR last year makes sense because his OPS was way above average for a SS and his defence was slightly above average.

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    Correct.  When some people see stats that disprove what they think they dismiss the stat rather that reassess their own opinion.

    "We don't see things as they are.  We see things as WE are". 

    Having the right to do something doesn't make it the right thing to do.

     

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    That's one of the worst possible traits to have.  Everyone does it, to varying degrees.   But to dismiss statistics used by the true experts is counter-intuitive and probably self-destructive.  You have far more to gain from asking why your opinion differs from that of the experts, than you have from clinging to your belief that the earth is flat.

     
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    In response to ma6dragon9's comment:
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    Drew was a 3.4 WAR player last year.

    Does the signing look bad right now?  OK

    Is Drew overpaid?  Likely, but that remains to be seen.

    Foolish signing?  Hardly.

     

    [/QUOTE]


    [object HTMLDivElement] So we're justifying bad signings with bad stats now, eh? Interesting philosophy.

    WAR scks

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    Just because you don't understand WAR doesn't make it a bad stats.

     

    Most people readily accept batting average and on-base percentage despite the blatant flaws in both of those statistics...

     
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    Re: The Ten Million Dollar Hit

    I don't think the Drew signing , in theory, is a bad one ( though it certainly looks so now). No one can really predict the future and at the time Drew was signed..it seemed like a good idea. Perhaps if the Sox FO had waited a week they wouldn't have signed him at all.

    I don't put too much stock in WAR. To me it is more an opinion than fact.  Defense will always be very hard to quantify..but nevertheless the stat geeks will try.

    "It is not down in any map...trueplaces never are...." ( Melville)

     
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    I don't think the Drew signing , in theory, is a bad one ( though it certainly looks so now). No one can really predict the future and at the time Drew was signed..it seemed like a good idea. Perhaps if the Sox FO had waited a week they wouldn't have signed him at all.

    I don't put too much stock in WAR. To me it is more an opinion than fact.  Defense will always be very hard to quantify..but nevertheless the stat geeks will try.

    "It is not down in any map...trueplaces never are...." ( Melville)

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    The defensive measurements will be very accurate in the near future with the new technology they have.

     

     
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    Re: The Ten Million Dollar Hit

    WAR..what's it good for ....absolutely nothing.

       Just like Stephen Drew.

     

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