The Texas Con Man, Part II-Do you agree with Massarotti, & What upsets you most about Beckett?

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    Only thing that would upset me is that these medias keep bashing on Beckett base on his 6 weeks of this season!!

    Come on, Beckett was one of the few pitchers that tried hard to save Boston's season last year.  He went 4-2 out of 10 starts from August 1st to the end of the season.  He should have won few more games, but most of the other guys couldnt do their job. 

    Now people are blaming Beckett of what happen to the last year team as well toward to this year team.

    Blame Agon, Papi (who bat poorly in the month of sept last year), Youkilis, three ex-red sox players (Drew, Wakefield, Veritek), etc. 

    Really these medias should go hard on Theo who was the one made a mess, not Beckett.  Leave this kid alone.  More we go hard on him, more he will pitch poorly!!!
     
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    [QUOTE]Only thing that would upset me is that these medias keep bashing on Beckett base on his 6 weeks of this season!! Come on, Beckett was one of the few pitchers that tried hard to save Boston's season last year.  He went 4-2 out of 10 starts from August 1st to the end of the season.  He should have won few more games, but most of the other guys couldnt do their job.  Now people are blaming Beckett of what happen to the last year team as well toward to this year team. Blame Agon, Papi (who bat poorly in the month of sept last year), Youkilis, three ex-red sox players (Drew, Wakefield, Veritek), etc.  Really these medias should go hard on Theo who was the one made a mess, not Beckett.  Leave this kid alone.  More we go hard on him, more he will pitch poorly!!!
    Posted by GoUconn13[/QUOTE]

    Are you seriously using a W-L record to talk about Beckett's performance in the last two months of last season?  Using that metric Buchholz is pitching great.  After all he is 3-1 in his 6 starts...
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: The Texas Con Man, Part II-Do you agree with Massarotti, & What upsets you most about Beckett? : Are you seriously using a W-L record to talk about Beckett's performance in the last two months of last season?  Using that metric Buchholz is pitching great.  After all he is 3-1 in his 6 starts...
    Posted by pcmIV[/QUOTE]

    Beckett went 2.89 ERA for the whole year!!  That is far better than any starting pitchers on the staff last year eventhought he have the fewest run support of all starting pitchers!!

    Give this guy a break.  
     
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    Oh no..dont hurt poor Joshys feelings..he might not pitch good...really???
     
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    It seems like Beckett could care less.  He's got his guaranteed money and whether he wins, loses, or doesn't pitch, it makes no difference to him.  As long as professional baseball allows the unions & players agents to write these ridiculous, one sided contracts, this will continue. I think that professional athletes should be reminded from time to time that the guy that pays you is the boss.
     
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    [QUOTE]By Tony Massarotti, Boston.com Columnist Josh Beckett grew up idolizing Roger Clemens, remember, and the bloom wore off that Texas rose, too. And like Clemens, Beckett is now self-destructing at Fenway Park these days in a potentially fatal mix of seeming apathy, stubbornness, pride, and foolishness. Essentially, he is on trial. Poetic, isn't it? Maybe there is simply something in the Texas water that prevents people from admitting they just screwed it all up. Faced with a crisis on Thursday night that he completely brought upon himself, Beckett simply imploded in an 8-3 defeat that was hardly so close. Against a Cleveland Indians lineup stacked with left-handed and switch-hitters, Beckett allowed seven hits, seven runs, four doubles, two walks, and two home runs. He left the field to a cascade of boos that he richly deserved, and he now looks -- somewhat incredibly -- even more like someone who just doesn't give a damn. Near the end, Clemens got this way, too, remember. At this stage of his career, when he was in his early 30s, Clemens went 40-39 with a 3.77 ERA during a four-year span in which the Red Sox generally looked like they look now. Clemens was out of shape. He lost the fire who made him who he was. Clemens basically had three Cy Young Awards in the same pocket where Beckett now holds two World Series rings, and it certainly started to feel like the big guy was just cashing the checks and living off his reputation. Which is when his reputation really went south. And so last night, there was Beckett again, telling us all that the off-days belong to him, that players only get 18 off-days during the season, the same way Clemens reminded us that the Red Sox had to carry their own bags through the airport. Clearly, you can only hide a life of entitlement for so long. The nadir of Beckett's existence in Boston coincidentally comes during a week in which Josh Hamilton hit four home runs in a game and made history for the Texas Rangers, which is relevant for this reason: Hamilton was the only man picked ahead of Beckett in the 1999 amateur draft. Hamilton subsequently came thisclose to losing his career amid a rash of personal problems and substance abuse issues, all before he became one of the truly great and inspiring stories in all of baseball. Josh Hamilton almost had the game taken away from him, and so he learned to appreciate it, respect it, love it. He learned to respect his talent and his teammates, and he got the same back from them. When the Rangers have celebrated postseason victories in recent years, they have done so with ginger ale in their clubhouse, all out of respect for Hamilton. And after Hamilton went 5-for-5 with four home runs and 18 total bases earlier this week, he told television reporters that hitting three home runs in a game was always something he wanted to do, that he had never hit three before, that he never imagined four. Josh Hamilton looked and sounded like a kid playing stick ball in the neighborhood schoolyard. So here's the real question for Beckett today, amid all the obvious and well-deserved criticisms for how he has behaved and pitched of late: Do you even like what you do anymore, Josh? Do you? Or do you see your talent as some sort of needless burden? Five years ago, when Beckett was leading the Red Sox to their last world title, Red Sox officials spoke of Beckett having lofty goals, of him wanting to be a 300-game winner. Now they can't get him to keep his weight down during the season. They can't get him to stay off the golf course and do the prudent thing when he is scratched from a start with stiffness in his right lat muscle. The Red Sox just offer a series of meaningless, contradictory statement about Beckett's injury, or non-injury, or work ethic, all seemingly because an admission of guilt or wrongdoing would reveal some weakness. Um, guys? You're 12-19. You're 19-39 since last September 1. You're beyond weak. You stink so badly right now that there is an entire legion of fans, from the entire six-state region you call yours, ready to quit for the summer. Further burying your anger and frustration isn't going to solve the problem. Ask the sports psychologists on your staff about that. If you're not going to get mad now, when will you? Last summer, before the debacle that was September and after becoming a husband and father, Beckett freely admitted that baseball was not the most important thing in his life anymore. He should have just told us baseball has no meaning to him whatsoever. Beckett is signed through 2014 for a guaranteed average of $17 million per season, all of which further detaches him from the realities of the real world. If you call in sick and then get busted on the golf course in the real world, somebody gets pissed off, Josh. You might even get fired. Clearly, none of those rules apply to you and you seem all too happy to remind everyone of it. Years ago, when Clemens coasted through relative mediocrity, his time in Boston reached an inevitable conclusion. In the final months of the final year of his contract, Clemens picked up the pace with his eyes on free agency. He struck 20 batters in a game for the second time in his career during a late-season run, tying Cy Young for No. 1 on the club's all-time list for victories. Then Clemens hit the market and recorded the highest average annual salary ever awarded a pitcher to that point in time, leaving the Red Sox in a bitter feud that sprung him (along with the alleged use of performance-enhancing drugs) into the next, glorious phase of his career. Clemens won four more Cy Young Awards after he left Boston. He won two World Series with the New York Yankees. Clemens reputation since has never been the same in Boston -- or anywhere else, for that matter. And if the Red Sox have any lingering regret from that calamity, it is that they should have dumped Clemens when they had the chance. With Beckett, the Red Sox had the chance last fall. They whiffed. And so the protege continues to follow in the footsteps of his mentor, toward an inglorious end that now seems inevitable. What upsets you most about Red Sox pitcher Josh Beckett? He's not the pitcher he used to be His lack of remorse for golfing before a missed start He seems arrogant and uncaring He is overpaid He hasn't learned anything from the chicken and beer fiasco Red Sox management coddles him
    Posted by 2004Idiots[/QUOTE] thanks for not kicking Lackey while he's down..Tongue out
     
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    I'm with Uconn (my alma mater).  Beckett has only pitched poorly in two games this year, and he was terrific last year.  He seems like a likely candidate to finish the year with a 3.5 or under ERA.  Why give up on him (not just give up but drive him out of town) so early in the season?  

    Clemens, by the way, in his last year with the Sox led the league in strikeouts, posted a 3.63 ERA and pitched more than 240 innings.  Maybe the parallel is a pretty good one.
     
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    [QUOTE]By Tony Massarotti, Boston.com Columnist Josh Beckett grew up idolizing Roger Clemens, remember, and the bloom wore off that Texas rose, too. And like Clemens, Beckett is now self-destructing at Fenway Park these days in a potentially fatal mix of seeming apathy, stubbornness, pride, and foolishness. Essentially, he is on trial. Poetic, isn't it? Maybe there is simply something in the Texas water that prevents people from admitting they just screwed it all up. Faced with a crisis on Thursday night that he completely brought upon himself, Beckett simply imploded in an 8-3 defeat that was hardly so close. Against a Cleveland Indians lineup stacked with left-handed and switch-hitters, Beckett allowed seven hits, seven runs, four doubles, two walks, and two home runs. He left the field to a cascade of boos that he richly deserved, and he now looks -- somewhat incredibly -- even more like someone who just doesn't give a damn. Near the end, Clemens got this way, too, remember. At this stage of his career, when he was in his early 30s, Clemens went 40-39 with a 3.77 ERA during a four-year span in which the Red Sox generally looked like they look now. Clemens was out of shape. He lost the fire who made him who he was. Clemens basically had three Cy Young Awards in the same pocket where Beckett now holds two World Series rings, and it certainly started to feel like the big guy was just cashing the checks and living off his reputation. Which is when his reputation really went south. And so last night, there was Beckett again, telling us all that the off-days belong to him, that players only get 18 off-days during the season, the same way Clemens reminded us that the Red Sox had to carry their own bags through the airport. Clearly, you can only hide a life of entitlement for so long. The nadir of Beckett's existence in Boston coincidentally comes during a week in which Josh Hamilton hit four home runs in a game and made history for the Texas Rangers, which is relevant for this reason: Hamilton was the only man picked ahead of Beckett in the 1999 amateur draft. Hamilton subsequently came thisclose to losing his career amid a rash of personal problems and substance abuse issues, all before he became one of the truly great and inspiring stories in all of baseball. Josh Hamilton almost had the game taken away from him, and so he learned to appreciate it, respect it, love it. He learned to respect his talent and his teammates, and he got the same back from them. When the Rangers have celebrated postseason victories in recent years, they have done so with ginger ale in their clubhouse, all out of respect for Hamilton. And after Hamilton went 5-for-5 with four home runs and 18 total bases earlier this week, he told television reporters that hitting three home runs in a game was always something he wanted to do, that he had never hit three before, that he never imagined four. Josh Hamilton looked and sounded like a kid playing stick ball in the neighborhood schoolyard. So here's the real question for Beckett today, amid all the obvious and well-deserved criticisms for how he has behaved and pitched of late: Do you even like what you do anymore, Josh? Do you? Or do you see your talent as some sort of needless burden? Five years ago, when Beckett was leading the Red Sox to their last world title, Red Sox officials spoke of Beckett having lofty goals, of him wanting to be a 300-game winner. Now they can't get him to keep his weight down during the season. They can't get him to stay off the golf course and do the prudent thing when he is scratched from a start with stiffness in his right lat muscle. The Red Sox just offer a series of meaningless, contradictory statement about Beckett's injury, or non-injury, or work ethic, all seemingly because an admission of guilt or wrongdoing would reveal some weakness. Um, guys? You're 12-19. You're 19-39 since last September 1. You're beyond weak. You stink so badly right now that there is an entire legion of fans, from the entire six-state region you call yours, ready to quit for the summer. Further burying your anger and frustration isn't going to solve the problem. Ask the sports psychologists on your staff about that. If you're not going to get mad now, when will you? Last summer, before the debacle that was September and after becoming a husband and father, Beckett freely admitted that baseball was not the most important thing in his life anymore. He should have just told us baseball has no meaning to him whatsoever. Beckett is signed through 2014 for a guaranteed average of $17 million per season, all of which further detaches him from the realities of the real world. If you call in sick and then get busted on the golf course in the real world, somebody gets pissed off, Josh. You might even get fired. Clearly, none of those rules apply to you and you seem all too happy to remind everyone of it. Years ago, when Clemens coasted through relative mediocrity, his time in Boston reached an inevitable conclusion. In the final months of the final year of his contract, Clemens picked up the pace with his eyes on free agency. He struck 20 batters in a game for the second time in his career during a late-season run, tying Cy Young for No. 1 on the club's all-time list for victories. Then Clemens hit the market and recorded the highest average annual salary ever awarded a pitcher to that point in time, leaving the Red Sox in a bitter feud that sprung him (along with the alleged use of performance-enhancing drugs) into the next, glorious phase of his career. Clemens won four more Cy Young Awards after he left Boston. He won two World Series with the New York Yankees. Clemens reputation since has never been the same in Boston -- or anywhere else, for that matter. And if the Red Sox have any lingering regret from that calamity, it is that they should have dumped Clemens when they had the chance. With Beckett, the Red Sox had the chance last fall. They whiffed. And so the protege continues to follow in the footsteps of his mentor, toward an inglorious end that now seems inevitable. What upsets you most about Red Sox pitcher Josh Beckett? He's not the pitcher he used to be His lack of remorse for golfing before a missed start He seems arrogant and uncaring He is overpaid He hasn't learned anything from the chicken and beer fiasco Red Sox management coddles him
    Posted by 2004Idiots[/QUOTE]

    Very few on this board have chosen to back me on this but I will say it again. Until Beckett, Lackey and Buchholz are no longer in Boston, our team will struggle.  These are three stubborn guys who were either covited or signed by Theo that have never been as good as he believed.

    Our staff needs a makeover period.  Keep Lester but do what you can with the rest to rebuild this starting rotation if you can please. Injuries have very little to do with our poor pitching.
     
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    Last night certainly was disappointing. My view of Beckett after last year was simply have him come in and pitch like he did for most of last year.

    And up until last night, he was doing everything you could want on the field. He was lights out in spring training, which was a good sign. He did get lit up in his first start -- hey it happens to the best of them -- but was the Sox's best pitcher over his next four.

    If he came in last night and put in at least 7 IP, 3 ER, then I could put the rest aside. He did himself no favors by how he pitched, that's for sure.
     
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    [QUOTE]roy, you and I have certainly had our share of friendly debates about this club since last September.  Do you really and truly believe our present staff has the talent or mindset to recover enough to make us competitive. I do respect your opinion in asking this
    Posted by craze4sox[/QUOTE]

    As far as the starting rotation is concerned, I don't know. I wasn't too concerned about April. Slow start, got to .500, Beckett was pitching well after his first start. Lester was dominant or horrible, but I figured he'd come around. Buchholz showed a couple of glimpses, and Bard and Doubrant seemed to be developing OK for 4 and 5.

    But after this week -- I'm more discouraged. Lester's issues go back to last September the high pitch counts in the first inning. Buchholz has shown no improvement. And Bobby V hasn't done Felix or Bard any favors.

    I'm all for pushing starters, but there were at least two games for each where Bobby V. should have ignored pitch counts and take both out early. Use the arly season to build them into going deeper, but in the meantime, get 'em out while the getting's good to give them confidence.

    And as for Beckett -- with his velocity down, there's no margin for error.

    So right now, I have no idea on the mindset. And as for talent -- maybe that's the problem. Maybe it as nothing to do with attitude or work ethic, and it's just that the talent isn't there anymore.

    It's too bad that the starters haven't come around because the bullpen seems to have solidified.

    Baseball's a funny game. Right now everything that can go wrong has. So who knows, maybe all of a sudden, things click.

    Even if the talent and injuries are such that they're n ot a playoff team, I can't believe they should be this bad.
     
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    beckett has to care first before he can improve....he didnt care in september and he's not too concerned about the team now...anyone who thinks he is giving his full effort is a f'n moron...im sorry but this is the plainest way i can say it...like clemens at the same age, he has lots of gas in the tank in his body, but running on fumes in his head
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: The Texas Con Man, Part II-Do you agree with Massarotti, & What upsets you most about Beckett? : As far as the starting rotation is concerned, I don't know. I wasn't too concerned about April. Slow start, got to .500, Beckett was pitching well after his first start. Lester was dominant or horrible, but I figured he'd come around. Buchholz showed a couple of glimpses, and Bard and Doubrant seemed to be developing OK for 4 and 5. But after this week -- I'm more discouraged. Lester's issues go back to last September the high pitch counts in the first inning. Buchholz has shown no improvement. And Bobby V hasn't done Felix or Bard any favors. I'm all for pushing starters, but there were at least two games for each where Bobby V. should have ignored pitch counts and take both out early. Use the arly season to build them into going deeper, but in the meantime, get 'em out while the getting's good to give them confidence. And as for Beckett -- with his velocity down, there's no margin for error. So right now, I have no idea on the mindset. And as for talent -- maybe that's the problem. Maybe it as nothing to do with attitude or work ethic, and it's just that the talent isn't there anymore. It's too bad that the starters haven't come around because the bullpen seems to have solidified. Baseball's a funny game. Right now everything that can go wrong has. So who knows, maybe all of a sudden, things click. Even if the talent and injuries are such that they're n ot a playoff team, I can't believe they should be this bad.
    Posted by royf19[/QUOTE]

    A very honest look and opinion as usual Roy thanks.  It's definately puzzling enough to make one believe anything or everything of the above.
     
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    Agree completely w/ the article.
     
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    I believe that many media folks who say the RS fans are spoiled are spoiled as well. They have done nothing but throw nearly every player under the bus.
    Pretty much when you say a guy does not care you are saying the guy who worked his tail off to get the the top levels in baseball no longer cares. That is pure BS. Every single player cares. As each moves thru their career you bet your life their priorites change but they still care. I'm sure the most important thing in Pedroia's life is his wife and child, I'm sure for Agon it is family and his faith. SO what. I have to believe every one here has several things that are more important than their job but still put everything they have into their job just as every ball player does. 
    Sometimes what you do just is not enough. Not every sales person makes a deal every week. Not every engineer has the right answer every day. It is life sometimes you succeed sometimes you don't

    If you don't like the results don't pay or watch games. Stop putting the blame on a certain guy after every game.

    They all work hard and they all care. All of this BS about out of shape non caring players is BS. 
    As I say below enjoy the ride ---or get off the ride.
     
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    [QUOTE]beckett has to care first before he can improve....he didnt care in september and he's not too concerned about the team now...anyone who thinks he is giving his full effort is a f'n moron...im sorry but this is the plainest way i can say it...like clemens at the same age, he has lots of gas in the tank in his body, but running on fumes in his head
    Posted by georom4[/QUOTE]

    Here's where I differ with you. I actually thinks he cares. But he's perhaps not showing it or doing everything he should.

    Maybe I'm naive. I do try to look for the good in people. It's the way I brought up. But I also can understand that sometimes, bad habits can develop that you don't realize how it's hurting you.

    Here's what I mean.

    In college one semester, I allowed some bad hapits to develop, just minor things in my study habits that at first didn't really affect my grades. The first semester these habits started to creep in didn't hurt. I had to push a little at the end to finish papers and cram a bit more for finals, but I still got good grades.

    The next semester, those bad habits got incrementally worse and by the time I realized what was happening, I ended up having to drop a couple of classes so because I got too far behind and didn't want to kill my GPA.

    Throughout those two semesters, none of it seemed a big deal. I didn't got from point A, how I did things my first semester, to point B in one fell swoop. It was incremental things.

    That's how I view Beckett. Some of the things he doesn't think is a big deal probably wasn't a big deal at first. But things escalate, he's getting older and needs to work harder than he did when he was younger, and he's too hard-headed to realize how everything is affecting his performance.

    I think he still cares, but he's viewing things as they were at earlier stages of his career, not how they are now.

    And if anyone things I'm giving him too much credit or I'm being naive -- I won't argue. Maybe you're right.

    In the end, I judge Beckett one thing -- how he performs on the field -- and stay away from wondering if he cares or not.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: The Texas Con Man, Part II-Do you agree with Massarotti, & What upsets you most about Beckett? : Here's where I differ with you. I actually thinks he cares. But he's perhaps not showing it or doing everything he should. Maybe I'm naive. I do try to look for the good in people. It's the way I brought up. But I also can understand that sometimes, bad habits can develop that you don't realize how it's hurting you. Here's what I mean. In college one semester, I allowed some bad hapits to develop, just minor things in my study habits that at first didn't really affect my grades. The first semester these habits started to creep in didn't hurt. I had to push a little at the end to finish papers and cram a bit more for finals, but I still got good grades. The next semester, those bad habits got incrementally worse and by the time I realized what was happening, I ended up having to drop a couple of classes so because I got too far behind and didn't want to kill my GPA. Throughout those two semesters, none of it seemed a big deal. I didn't got from point A, how I did things my first semester, to point B in one fell swoop. It was incremental things. That's how I view Beckett. Some of the things he doesn't think is a big deal probably wasn't a big deal at first. But things escalate, he's getting older and needs to work harder than he did when he was younger, and he's too hard-headed to realize how everything is affecting his performance. I think he still cares, but he's viewing things as they were at earlier stages of his career, not how they are now. And if anyone things I'm giving him too much credit or I'm being naive -- I won't argue. Maybe you're right. In the end, I judge Beckett one thing -- how he performs on the field -- and stay away from wondering if he cares or not.
    Posted by royf19[/QUOTE]

    roy, the big difference was that you were not guaranteed 45 million over the next 3 years...what incentive would you have had to improve if that were the case? you would have to find that deep within...you think beckett has that pride/fire for the sox? he learned from manny, nomar, and all the other prima donnas to take care of #1....he is not salvageable for this team...but i bet a new team would get him motivated again...he's done as a red sox..checked out and doesnt care
     
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    If you do not believe a professional cares then you know nothing about a professional athlete. They all care sometimes what they do just does not work all the time or the same way each time.
     
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    Don't understand guys like Beckett; compare with some Celtics players, those guys have big dough, but they care, they play with passion, they want to win, and they want to win not just for themselves but for the fans & the organization & the city & the game; and it's not just about winning, you play your heart out for all the right reasons and you lose that's okay because you gave it your all.
     
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    [QUOTE]Only thing that would upset me is that these medias keep bashing on Beckett base on his 6 weeks of this season!! Come on, Beckett was one of the few pitchers that tried hard to save Boston's season last year.  He went 4-2 out of 10 starts from August 1st to the end of the season.  He should have won few more games, but most of the other guys couldnt do their job.  Now people are blaming Beckett of what happen to the last year team as well toward to this year team. Blame Agon, Papi (who bat poorly in the month of sept last year), Youkilis, three ex-red sox players (Drew, Wakefield, Veritek), etc.  Really these medias should go hard on Theo who was the one made a mess, not Beckett.  Leave this kid alone.  More we go hard on him, more he will pitch poorly!!!
    Posted by GoUconn13[/QUOTE]

    SPIN SPIN SPIN

    In 4 September Starts - (why just FOUR starts for an entire month?!) he pitched 3 STINKERS

    And the last 2 games he gave up 6 ER's EACH, including 2 HOMERS EACH game and on the last game he also threw in FOUR BB's......All we needed was for him and Lester to win ONE more game during an entire month

    1978 - Sox had to win 14 straight to make it and they did and in Tiant Won 3 games and Eck Won 2.  Talk about STONES.  Oh how the times have changed.....
     
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    Re: The Texas Con Man, Part II-Do you agree with Massarotti, & What upsets you most about Beckett?

    In Response to Re: The Texas Con Man, Part II-Do you agree with Massarotti, & What upsets you most about Beckett?:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: The Texas Con Man, Part II-Do you agree with Massarotti, & What upsets you most about Beckett? : roy, the big difference was that you were not guaranteed 45 million over the next 3 years...what incentive would you have had to improve if that were the case? you would have to find that deep within...you think beckett has that pride/fire for the sox? he learned from manny, nomar, and all the other prima donnas to take care of #1....he is not salvageable for this team...but i bet a new team would get him motivated again...he's done as a red sox..checked out and doesnt care
    Posted by georom4[/QUOTE]

    You might be right.

    But my point is that I cared just as much in the semester I dropped the two classes as I did earlier. I just didn't realize how those habits were affecting me until it was too late.

    I don't equate being a prima donna with not caring. Maybe his stubborness is getting in the way of things. Maybe the boos and his performance yesterday will be the swift kick in the pants -- the wake-up call -- he needs.

    Don't get me wrong. I'm not holding my breath.

    I am rooting for him to do well. For some reason -- maybe it's just the memories of 2007 -- I still want to like  Beckett, not that I like everything he's done. And if he does well, it helps the Red Sox and in the end, that's what I want.
     
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    Re: The Texas Con Man, Part II-Do you agree with Massarotti, & What upsets you most about Beckett?



    Bobby Valentine should have Tom Brady give the Red Sox clubhouse a motivational speech on how to bounce back and kick some a$$. 


     
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    Re: The Texas Con Man, Part II-Do you agree with Massarotti, & What upsets you most about Beckett?

    Masseratti is a talentless hack in the Globe and a bigger hack on the radio with his obnoxious partner. 

    These 2 are just a sad example of why local sports-talk radio, local sports pages and local sports channels are worthless here.
     
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    Re: The Texas Con Man, Part II-Do you agree with Massarotti, & What upsets you most about Beckett?

    $15.75 million for another 2 1/2 years and he doesn't have to care. He can serve up meatballs and get pulled early every game if he wants to. How much did they fine him for hanging out in the clubhouse during off games, swilling beer and sucking down fried chicken?

    Where is the incentive for him or anyone in baseball with a fat long term deal? Especially in your 30's.

    What upsets me the most is the who cares attitude that makes a man say he's injured and can't pitch but he can swing a golf club while being paid a king's ransom to perform. Sorry I mispoke. A man wouldn't do that. 

    Pitchers are totally pampered these days.  


     
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