The White Flag is Up!

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    My white flag went up the moment we signed Shane and Dempster.

    You've been bashing Ben for building a horrible team, so why the surprise at the white flag?

    I'm not surprised, I am disgusted! Bradley has surprised me with his readiness this spring, as I thought it would be a year later. But this is the kind of spark that has the potential to change the attitude and trajectory of an entire team. The odds are still against them, but the odds get a lot better with Bradley. It's not just numbers, it's his attitude and his total skillset. He is energy on the field and optimism off the field.

    It sends the wrong message to send hope to the minors, on the pretense that it won't matter for 12 days and it's critical for the Red Sox to "save" 2 or 3M a year over the next 7 years".

    How the team starts doesn't mean how they will finish, but it's important to change attitudes and culture and build team confidence.

    Now I know the meaning of that song, "You Better Check Yourself, Before You Wreck Yourself."

    I have stunningly agreed with most of what the Stiff One has said

    I'm going to go lie down, as I'm not feeling very well.

    When both ends of the spectrum agree, it's time for the pink glasses wearing fans to take 'em off and see the reality, even if it hurts.

    I guess we can hope that Bradley just forces his way into the line-up, Iggy amazes with his defense, and we come out of the gates winning and winning to the point where they can't "go back" when Drew and Papi return.

    Even then, I doubt many will see the mistake made in signing Victorino, Dempster and Drew (at least 2 of the 3 anyway).

     




     

    I would not have signed any of the three either.  I also would not have given Papi more than a one year $12 mil. TOPS!  He was likely worth about 7 - 8 on the market???

    Still.....

    That does not change the calculus on JBJ!  The kid should stay and play.  You have to admit, with JBJ in the OF, it makes the 3SUM (you can't say thrreasum on BDC???) look pretty good :)  I'm not big on Gomes, but I'd be happy with him as the DH for a while, at least until Papi comes back for a few games in ......  June????

    I can't believe I'm actually agreeing with the Stiff One!  Even a broken clock....



    I can see your point on Papi, but it's hard to argue too much against the greatest clutch hero the Sox have had in my lifetime.

    Bradley has to play (except for 12 days sometime-somwhere in the season). It's insane to think otherwise. Now, we need to act quickly to find a landing spot for Ellsbury, and I know how much you don't want it to be LF.

    There's no way Bradley should play anywhere but CF. End of that discussion- seriously folks.

     
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    "Red Sox management has been using the Pelosi and Obama stimulis approach to recovery. It's not working, but the total amount spent is going up to record increase levels."

    Not to put to fine a point on it but they are blocked and gridlocked from carrying out the stimulus plans by the reactionary morons you support wholeheartedly. 

    "Why do you trust Larry to hire someone better than Ben?"

    Bingo - blind faith in Lucchino but blaming the "yes men" he hires is one of the bizarre and inexplicable quirks of the softy propaganda machine....

     
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    My white flag went up the moment we signed Shane and Dempster.

    You've been bashing Ben for building a horrible team, so why the surprise at the white flag?

    I'm not surprised, I am disgusted! Bradley has surprised me with his readiness this spring, as I thought it would be a year later. But this is the kind of spark that has the potential to change the attitude and trajectory of an entire team. The odds are still against them, but the odds get a lot better with Bradley. It's not just numbers, it's his attitude and his total skillset. He is energy on the field and optimism off the field.

    It sends the wrong message to send hope to the minors, on the pretense that it won't matter for 12 days and it's critical for the Red Sox to "save" 2 or 3M a year over the next 7 years".

    How the team starts doesn't mean how they will finish, but it's important to change attitudes and culture and build team confidence.

    Now I know the meaning of that song, "You Better Check Yourself, Before You Wreck Yourself."

    I have stunningly agreed with most of what the Stiff One has said

    I'm going to go lie down, as I'm not feeling very well.

    When both ends of the spectrum agree, it's time for the pink glasses wearing fans to take 'em off and see the reality, even if it hurts.

    I guess we can hope that Bradley just forces his way into the line-up, Iggy amazes with his defense, and we come out of the gates winning and winning to the point where they can't "go back" when Drew and Papi return.

    Even then, I doubt many will see the mistake made in signing Victorino, Dempster and Drew (at least 2 of the 3 anyway).

     

    I would not have signed any of the three either.  I also would not have given Papi more than a one year $12 mil. TOPS!  He was likely worth about 7 - 8 on the market???

    Still.....

    That does not change the calculus on JBJ!  The kid should stay and play.  You have to admit, with JBJ in the OF, it makes the 3SUM (you can't say thrreasum on BDC???) look pretty good :)  I'm not big on Gomes, but I'd be happy with him as the DH for a while, at least until Papi comes back for a few games in ......  June????

    I can't believe I'm actually agreeing with the Stiff One!  Even a broken clock....

     



    I can see your point on Papi, but it's hard to argue too much against the greatest clutch hero the Sox have had in my lifetime.

     

    Bradley has to play (except for 12 days sometime-somwhere in the season). It's insane to think otherwise. Now, we need to act quickly to find a landing spot for Ellsbury, and I know how much you don't want it to be LF.

    There's no way Bradley should play anywhere but CF. End of that discussion- seriously folks.




    Although it would constitute a major "dis," I would consider sticking Ells in RF.  My only reservation would be knocking down his trade value.  I would certainly consider moving JBJ to CF???  Big move, but one worth considering.  Ells, JBJ, & V in our OF would constitute a very potent O & D outfield.  :)

    If the SR lives up to it's potential, this team could have some post season potential!  Lester & Buch are looking great.  Douby, if he can be stretched out to last the full season could be a decent #3 / 4, winning 12 - 14.   Even Lackey is looking half decent.  10 - 12 wins are realistic.  Dempster???  10+ if our bats have his back.  Buch & Lester are both capable of winning 15 - 20.

    The Sox need to make this move and give it a go!  Besides the D, JBJ would give this liveup real life!

     
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    Re: The White Flag is Up!

    In response to redsoxdirtdog's comment:

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    My white flag went up the moment we signed Shane and Dempster.

    You've been bashing Ben for building a horrible team, so why the surprise at the white flag?

    I'm not surprised, I am disgusted! Bradley has surprised me with his readiness this spring, as I thought it would be a year later. But this is the kind of spark that has the potential to change the attitude and trajectory of an entire team. The odds are still against them, but the odds get a lot better with Bradley. It's not just numbers, it's his attitude and his total skillset. He is energy on the field and optimism off the field.

    It sends the wrong message to send hope to the minors, on the pretense that it won't matter for 12 days and it's critical for the Red Sox to "save" 2 or 3M a year over the next 7 years".

    How the team starts doesn't mean how they will finish, but it's important to change attitudes and culture and build team confidence.

    Now I know the meaning of that song, "You Better Check Yourself, Before You Wreck Yourself."

    I have stunningly agreed with most of what the Stiff One has said

    I'm going to go lie down, as I'm not feeling very well.

    When both ends of the spectrum agree, it's time for the pink glasses wearing fans to take 'em off and see the reality, even if it hurts.

    I guess we can hope that Bradley just forces his way into the line-up, Iggy amazes with his defense, and we come out of the gates winning and winning to the point where they can't "go back" when Drew and Papi return.

    Even then, I doubt many will see the mistake made in signing Victorino, Dempster and Drew (at least 2 of the 3 anyway).

     

    I would not have signed any of the three either.  I also would not have given Papi more than a one year $12 mil. TOPS!  He was likely worth about 7 - 8 on the market???

    Still.....

    That does not change the calculus on JBJ!  The kid should stay and play.  You have to admit, with JBJ in the OF, it makes the 3SUM (you can't say thrreasum on BDC???) look pretty good :)  I'm not big on Gomes, but I'd be happy with him as the DH for a while, at least until Papi comes back for a few games in ......  June????

    I can't believe I'm actually agreeing with the Stiff One!  Even a broken clock....

     



    I can see your point on Papi, but it's hard to argue too much against the greatest clutch hero the Sox have had in my lifetime.

     

    Bradley has to play (except for 12 days sometime-somwhere in the season). It's insane to think otherwise. Now, we need to act quickly to find a landing spot for Ellsbury, and I know how much you don't want it to be LF.

    There's no way Bradley should play anywhere but CF. End of that discussion- seriously folks.

     




    Although it would constitute a major "dis," I would consider sticking Ells in RF.  My only reservation would be knocking down his trade value.  I would certainly consider moving JBJ to CF???  Big move, but one worth considering.  Ells, JBJ, & V in our OF would constitute a very potent O & D outfield.  :)

     

    If the SR lives up to it's potential, this team could have some post season potential!  Lester & Buch are looking great.  Douby, if he can be stretched out to last the full season could be a decent #3 / 4, winning 12 - 14.   Even Lackey is looking half decent.  10 - 12 wins are realistic.  Dempster???  10+ if our bats have his back.  Buch & Lester are both capable of winning 15 - 20.

    The Sox need to make this move and give it a go!  Besides the D, JBJ would give this liveup real life!



    Ellsbury doesn't have the arm for RF. Seriously, his arm is the weakest part of his game. I could see him in left but not right, especially when you have Victorino in right who has an actual cannon for an arm.

     
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    Although it would constitute a major "dis," I would consider sticking Ells in RF.  My only reservation would be knocking down his trade value.  I would certainly consider moving JBJ to CF???  Big move, but one worth considering.  Ells, JBJ, & V in our OF would constitute a very potent O & D outfield.  :)

     

    If the SR lives up to it's potential, this team could have some post season potential!  Lester & Buch are looking great.  Douby, if he can be stretched out to last the full season could be a decent #3 / 4, winning 12 - 14.   Even Lackey is looking half decent.  10 - 12 wins are realistic.  Dempster???  10+ if our bats have his back.  Buch & Lester are both capable of winning 15 - 20.

    The Sox need to make this move and give it a go!  Besides the D, JBJ would give this liveup real life!

    With Ellsbury's arm, I'd put him if LF (if we don't trade him) and keep SV in RF.

     
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    Ellsbury doesn't have the arm for RF. Seriously, his arm is the weakest part of his game. I could see him in left but not right, especially when you have Victorino in right who has an actual cannon for an arm.

    Sorry. I missed your point before posting mine.

     
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    If the Sox are unable to get off to a decent start without JBJ with the club, then they've got serious problems.

     
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    If the Sox are unable to get off to a decent start without JBJ with the club, then they've got serious problems.



    but, with him- no serious problems?

     
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    If the Sox are unable to get off to a decent start without JBJ with the club, then they've got serious problems.

     



    but, with him- no serious problems?

     



    Pitching.

    JBJ starting in AAA is not going to make or break this team.

     
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    If they take the best player they have from spring training and send him back to the minors because "he's not a LF'er" or "we need to be smart and wait at least 12 days", then management has approached the season, not to win games, but in an exhibition mode that involves saving pennies 7 years from now and virtually conceding that the early season games will not be approached like games for a team in a playoff race.

    Manager John may have said something stupid like "we don't view him as a LF'er", but we do view Gomes as our starting LF'er, and Nava and/or Sweeney and/or Carp as or other OF'ers and we are going to start Bradley in the minors and we believe this gives us our best chance to win these early games and contend for a playoff spot.

    Folks, if that happens, don't be distracted by the spin and excuses, make no mistake, the white flag is back again, flying over Fenway park. They ran that white flap up in the last half of 2012, and it appears as they will run it up to start the 2013 season.



    Shut up !! Take your white flag and shove it up your AZZ.....And fly yourself over to another team....ManagerJohn may have said something stupid ???? Look in the mirror...thats the guy who said something stupid.....

     
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    Bradley has to play (except for 12 days sometime-somwhere in the season

    Are you with OSHA?

     



    No, I do not trust that we will extend Bradley, so I'll take the extra year of control, in exchange for 11-12 days in a "white flag" season.

     
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    Just can't for the life of me understand in this day and age of technology why my area cannot get access to televised Red Sox games other than the few carried by major networks.  Have Dish and have called about it but no can do.   I don't want to watch games on a stinking little iphone5 or even on the iPad.  I want them on my bigass TV.

     
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    Just can't for the life of me understand in this day and age of technology why my area cannot get access to televised Red Sox games other than the few carried by major networks.  Have Dish and have called about it but no can do.   I don't want to watch games on a stinking little iphone5 or even on the iPad.  I want them on my bigass TV.




    if you have a smart TV or internet TV you can download the MLB TV app on there and watch it directly on your TV. Or check with your cable provider and see if they have a baseball package. If that doesn't work for you then just hook your laptop/PC up to yur computer and run it off of there.

    I use MLB TV and really like it. No complaints, I have the MLB TV app on my PS3 that i watch all the games from. if not i just run MLB TV through my laptop and hook it to my TV via HD cord.

    if you don't want to spend money you could always stream the game from firstrowsports.eu

     
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    Just can't for the life of me understand in this day and age of technology why my area cannot get access to televised Red Sox games other than the few carried by major networks.  Have Dish and have called about it but no can do.   I don't want to watch games on a stinking little iphone5 or even on the iPad.  I want them on my bigass TV.

     




    if you have a smart TV or internet TV you can download the MLB TV app on there and watch it directly on your TV. Or check with your cable provider and see if they have a baseball package. If that doesn't work for you then just hook your laptop/PC up to yur computer and run it off of there.

     

    I use MLB TV and really like it. No complaints, I have the MLB TV app on my PS3 that i watch all the games from. if not i just run MLB TV through my laptop and hook it to my TV via HD cord.

    if you don't want to spend money you could always stream the game from firstrowsports.eu



    One could also use slingbox.

     
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    Manager John just had the audacity to say "the Jays are one of the teams to be shooting for".

     



    He's playing them-- trying to make them feel feared.

    Just like Maddon plays us.

     
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    softlaw in the service. Please sir, can I be the first to surrender?

     
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