The Yankees will be a financial train wreck in 2013!

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    In reality, the ARoids, CC, Tex, and Burnett contracts were all about the chip on their shoulder known as The Red Sox so they could also have a Championship.  Beyond that, those are some risky contracts and who knows what the Players Agreement will be like, if there will be revenue sharing, salary caps and not to mention that the economy will continue to struggle....Very risk business....also, what if they don't handle Jeter properly?  Would fans protest going to games?  What would that do their budget?  Or, worse, if they realize the risk in absusing Jeter and actually play him at SS and bat him lead off for 3 more years.....Again, it was all about 2009 in an effort to erase the humilations from 2004 and to a lesser extent, 2007.........Hope it was worth it to them.......
     
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    The best thing that could happen to the Yanks is CC opting out of his contract. Then they could put that money to more aging offensive players. Seriously though, this is a real problem for the Yanks. Those are name and large amounts of money that you cant just dump or have ride the bench. Oh well, sucks for Cashman...
     
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    [QUOTE]by Joe Posnanski/SI.com: We don’t know a lot about 2013. We know that Donald Trump will not be President of the U.S. — Arnold Schwarzenegger won’t either. We know that Apple will release a new iPad that will look cool and cost a lot of money but only be available in theory. We know that the loud guy sitting behind me at the airport who is on the phone begging for a first class upgrade will still be talking. And we know that the New York Yankees will have about $150 million in payroll obligations to eight players … all of those players on the wrong side of 30, and at an average age of 34. Now, it doesn’t have to work out exactly that way. The Yankees, technically, are only obligated to five of those players for $97 million (the youngest of those five is 33). But to be blunt about it, at this point the other $51 million looks like the best part of the deal. It’s a funny thing about money and baseball. Even the shrewdest people, even the toughest business folk, even the general managers who dream of someday running a small-market team and having a best-selling book written about them, all of them will spend like nine-year-olds who just got their allowance, if given the chance. How else can you explain, say, the Tigers giving Joaquin Benoit a three-year, $16.5 million deal this year? Dave Dombrowski is a smart guy. He certainly knows that there is no worse money spent than signing an aging middle reliever coming off a good year to a multi-year deal. This is baseball’s version of giving your credit card number to the Nigerian prince who wants to deposit $23 billion in your account. Dombrowski knows this. But he had the money. Benoit was available. Money, meet player. Player, meet money. The GMs can’t help themselves. It’s silly to pick on Dombrowski — that was just the first example that came to mind. Someone gave Vernon Wells a $126 million deal. Someone else TRADED for Vernon Wells with a $126 million deal. GMs are ALL like this, every one of them. They spend what they have … and just a little more. And look: I don’t blame GMs one bit. If I were a GM, and I had money, I’d spend like crazy, too. I’d be out of control. Heck, you should see me in Brookstone. The Yankees obviously have made and spent much more money than any team in baseball since the 1994 strike, and they have just as obviously spent their money very well. They have missed the playoffs only once. They have won five World Series. They not only have given their fans Hall of Fame players to cheer, but they have given their fans iconic stars, players whom those fans could unhesitatingly admire, such as Derek Jeter and Mariano Rivera. Today’s Yankees took over New York in a way that no Yankees team — not even the Casey Stengel Yankees, not even the Babe Ruth Yankees — had ever done. And the thing that you could always say about the Yankees was that they were living within their means. Maybe the Yankees’ payroll was obscene by Pittsburgh Pirates standards or Cincinnati Reds standards, but the Yankees themselves were still making money. Their big-money mistakes were offset by the graceful aging of their stars and the infusion of a good young player like a Robinson Cano or Brett Gardner or Phil Hughes or David Robertson. The thing looked like it would go on forever. Heck, it still might. But it turns out that the unbreakable rule of baseball — if given money, GMs inevitably will spend that money badly — can even reach the mighty and seemingly untouchable Yankees. Look at the Yankees in 2013. That’s two years from now, as if you needed reminding. Here are five players that they have locked up for that year, the age they will be and their cost for that season: Alex Rodriguez (38 years old, $28 million). I am wrong about baseball so much more often than I am right. Before the season, I actually put together a list of the 32 best players in baseball and I DID NOT INCLUDE JOSE BAUTISTA. I should be forced to write that on a blackboard five million times. I really thought that Bautista would regress significantly. I really thought wrong. I’m working on a big magazine story on him now, not as penance but because the guy’s the best story going. More on that as it progresses. Anyway, that’s only one of a thousand things I was wrong about. But I think I was right about A-Rod. I think he’s in serious decline. I still don’t think he’s going to break the all-time home run record. I don’t think he will play anywhere close to the level of A-Rod from 2000 to 2008, when he posted a 155 OPS+, won three MVP awards and made his case as the best shortstop OR the best third baseman in 100 years. Age is undefeated. That’s not true for SOME players. It’s true for ALL players. There were people who saw A-Rod during spring training this year and thought he looked great and was poised for a bounceback season — some seemed to think he was an MVP candidate. Then he started off ridiculously hot and I thought: Well, there’s something else I was wrong about. Even with two good games the last two days — a two-homer game and a four-hit game — he’s still hitting .216 and slugging .363 since April 16 and he has struck out 26 times in 26 games. Whether I was right or wrong about him this year — hey, he HAS looked good the last two days — A-Rod has SIX YEARS left on his deal after this one, and even if you write off the last two as the cost of doing business, well, this contract has a chance to provide one of the saddest and most painful endings for a great player in baseball history. Mark Teixeira (33 years old, $22.5 million) . Tex has five years left on his contract after this year. I think this contract could actually work out fine. Tex plays hard, he’s a switch-hitter, he’s good defensively, he will take a walk — I think his skills could stretch out. The problem with Tex has little to do with Tex — it’s that we live in an era in which hard-hitting first basemen are everywhere. I’ve been over this list before, but again, I would ask you to choose from these first basemen: • Mark Teixeira • Albert Pujols • Adrian Gonzalez • Miguel Cabrera • Joey Votto • Prince Fielder • Ryan Howard • Eric Hosmer Where would you draft Tex from that list? Third? Fifth? Last? And you can throw in Ike Davis, Justin Smoak, Matt LaPorta, the surprisingly hot Gaby Sanchez, the now-third-baseman Kevin Youkilis, the surprisingly sturdy Paul Konerko, the former MVP Justin Morneau and a bunch of other young guys. Tex’s all-around play and the hope that he will age well might move him near the top. But we seem to be moving to a time where just about every team in baseball will have a first baseman who hits roughly like Mark Teixeira. Derek Jeter (39 years old, $17 million). I’ve already beat the Jeter drum a whole lot, and I reserve the right to continue to do so because I find his situation endlessly and continuously fascinating. I think even the most optimistic Jeter fans knows that the $17 million Jeter will make in 2013 will almost certainly be sunken costs. If I were a Yankees fan, my hope would be that by then everyone involved will have come to grips with Jeter’s aging (including Jeter), and he can play a versatile role, move around some, play different positions, DH a bit, get 350 to 400 plate appearances and be an emotional leader. I’m not sure, based on the vibes coming out of the Bronx these days, that an ending like that is viable, but I hope for a good ending for one of the greatest players of the last 50 years. A.J. Burnett (36 years old, $16.5 million). I have to admit that I did not realize that Burnett was already 32 years old when the Yankees signed him to that five-year deal. That makes the deal that much more curious. We all know that Burnett has been an enigma. And so, who knows what will happen? Maybe Burnett will settle in and pitch well for the next two years. After all, we don’t really have much research on the aging patterns of men with Bruce Lee tattoos. He has pitched pretty well this year. And he clearly still has good stuff — this is probably best told by the fact that he’s on pace to throw 31 wild pitches this year, which would be a record. Even Yankees catchers can’t quite handle him. Rafael Soriano (33 years old, $13 million). Oh yeah, don’t forget about Soriano. He will still be around … there’s nothing really to say about this contract that Brian Cashman didn’t intimate on the day Soriano was signed. Middle relievers. Big money. Bad idea. So that’s $97 million just for five players in 2013. And then there are three others who could be with the team: CC Sabathia (33 years old, $23 million). There’s a general feeling out there that Sabathia will opt out of his deal after this season. Considering that the Yankees’ rotation is shaky enough WITH Sabathia, they’re likely hoping that he will not opt out. Robinson Cano (30 years old, $15 million). The Yankees actually have a club option on Cano in 2012 and 2013. Unless something drastic happens, I cannot imagine them not picking up Cano’s option. Curtis Granderson (32 years old, $13 million). Hey, one more thing I might be right about — I wrote that the Yankees made a steal when they got Granderson. It looked shaky at times last year, but now Granderson has 14 homers in 41 games, is slugging .600 and has had times when he has basically carried the team. I suspect that he won’t sustain those power numbers, but he’s a great guy and a positive force, and at this point I would think that the Yankees would probably pick up his option. And that makes $148 million for eight players. Even in the best-case scenario — even if Jeter and A-Rod somehow find a way to get younger, even if Soriano seamlessly replaces Mariano Rivera as closer, even if Sabathia sticks around and pitches great, and Burnett settles in and becomes a good starter in his mid-30s, even if Tex ages well — the Yankees still look like a financial train wreck. Just that $148 million would rank the Yankees fourth on this year’s team payroll list. How much more money would it take to fill out a pennant-contending team? And, realistically, what are the odds that those best-case scenario things will happen? My friend John Lowe of the Detroit Free Press reminded me of a classic thought uttered by Sparky Anderson years ago, when he considered what is the hardest thing for a team to overcome. His answer: “An aging star.” The Yankees have a bunch of them. Those aging stars have made 2011 an eventful year already, though the season is still young and the Yankees are, this minute, leading the wild-card race. There’s a whole lot of accomplishment on this team. It could be foolish to write them off. But the Yankees will go on after this year. And the contracts will go on. And as the line from Citizen Kane goes: “Old age … it’s the only disease you don’t look forward to being cured of.”
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      YAAAAWWWWNNN........
     
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    Some of these guys have more years after 2013 as well, and have a look at their recent Yankee numbers:
       (I admit I will cherry pick the time frames with negativity in mind):

    Alex Rodriguez (38 years old, $28 million).
    They will still owe him $86M plus HR incentives that could total another $30M over the next 4 years after 2013.
    2010-2011 combined numbers:
    .269/.343/.506/.849

    Mark Teixeira (33 years old, $22.5 million)
    . He will be owed $67.5M for the 3 years after 2013.
    2010-2011 combined numbers:
    .256/.366/.491/.857

    Derek Jeter (39 years old, $17 million). He has an $8M player option for 2014 with a $3M buyout.
    2010-2011 combined numbers:
    .269/.335/.361/.696

    A.J. Burnett (36 years old, $16.5 million). He's done after 2013.
    2010-2011 numbers:
    15-18 4.95  1.43 WHIP


    Rafael Soriano (33 years old, $13 million). He's done after 2013.
    2011 numbers:
    1-1  5.40  1.733 WHIP

    CC Sabathia (33 years old, $23 million).
    If he doesn't opt out after this year, the Yanks will owe him $46M for the 2 years after 2013.
    2011 numbers:
    4-3  3.06  1.300 WHIP

    Robinson Cano (30 years old, $15 million).
    He has been awesome, but is off to a so-so start in terms of these numbers...
    2011 numbers:
    .275/.320/.497/.871

    Curtis Granderson (32 years old, $13 million). 2013 is his last contract year (option). Grandy is having a great season so far. He's even ahead of his career year best OPS.
    2009-2011 numbers:
    .250/.326/.479/.805

    In these cherry-picked timeframes, the best OPS is .871 (Cano).
    Jed Lowrie's OPS in 2010-2011 is .876.

     
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    they are a train wreck every year, and yet, they are still doing bussiness as usual
     
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    The Yankees ARe a finncial train wrecj in 2011!

    What's the story here? They have money to burn...and burn it they do.
     
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    Who cares anyway???  This sounds like one of those idiotic Yankee obsessive  Silly-Betty posts.
     
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    ...you mean the one you just gravitated towards?
     
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    Who cares anyway??? This sounds like one of those idiotic Yankee obsessive Silly-Betty posts. -- jrh1194
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    Hey, Jr., you know who uses "silly-betty" in all their posts?  Babe and Zac. Which one are you?

    I remember you from Beni's threads as well. All the same bs. I still can't believe people think you're a Sox fan. lol
     
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    The best part is us Yankee fans have been hearing this same tired mantra from red flop fans as long as I can remember.
     
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    which is what?

    3 seconds?
     
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    [QUOTE]which is what? 3 seconds?

    Posted by moonslav59[/QUOTE]

    That's hysterical. Did you come up with that by yourself of did your significant other harness help you out again?

     
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    ...actually it's from your buddy: softy.
     
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    [QUOTE]...actually it's from your buddy: softy.

    Posted by moonslav59[/QUOTE]

    Hardly my buddy. But I think if you stop short harness would break his nose.

     
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    Who cares what their payroll is for 8 players in 2013, that's not going to stop them from getting (or trying to get) the best free agents. Hasn't before, it's not going to happen now.

     
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    as for the OP, i think i'll wait for the movie version.
     
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    The Yankees have not had as many "core" members get old at the same time for as long as I can remember.  One or two members of the core they can just "buy" there way out of, by eating their contract, or buying other players to cover their poor play.  It will be near impossible to cover the poor play that is becoming apparent with Jeter, posada, Arod, and even Rivera(his play seems uneffected to this point, but that has to cahnge eventually doesn't it?)  Add that to the point of the thread, with the amount of $, and positions, locked in to long term deals it will be hard if not impossible to buy the players needed to cover the production loss.  Up above they have the entire infield locked in(1b,2b,ss,3b, and cf).  That leaves c, dh, lf, and rf to cover for a potentially underperforming INF.  Not impossible, but more difficult they they have had in the past.  Defense is also an issue, as the range of these inf are bound to continue to decrease, especially on the left side.  Not easy to overcome poor defense and range from the left side of the INF.  Maybe shift Jeter to DH and add a better defensive SS, but how many better defensive SS, also can help cover from poor offense from your DH. 
     
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    [QUOTE]Who cares anyway??? This sounds like one of those idiotic Yankee obsessive Silly-Betty posts. -- jrh1194 ------------------------------------ Hey, Jr., you know who uses "silly-betty" in all their posts?  Babe and Zac. Which one are you? I remember you from Beni's threads as well. All the same bs. I still can't believe people think you're a Sox fan. lol
    Posted by kimsaysthis[/QUOTE]

    Kim = Silly-Betty.

    A few too many Yankee posts in a Sox forum.

    The same obsessive Yankee fans. lol
     
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    I have been waiting for the Yankees to have an infrastructure too old for their own good for years now. I'll believe it when I see it.
     
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    Kim = Silly-Betty.

    A few too many Yankee posts in a Sox forum.

    The same obsessive Yankee fans. lol --- jrh1194

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    OK, so you're Zac. Got it. Carry on.
     
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    OK, so you're Zac. Got it. Carry on.                     


    Pike = Kim = Silly-Betty

    I don't need to do the multi accounts thing

    to amuze myself,

    I amuze myself with pics














     














     
     
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    Pike = Kim = Silly-Betty

    I don't need to do the multi accounts thing

    to amuze myself,

    I amuze myself with pics   --- Zac

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    I've already been "investigated" thanks to you and your pals, and it turns out I have no aliases here. Again, I'm still here. 

    FTR, the pics Zac put up that "amuse" him is Pedroia getting injured running past second base. Disgusting. I hope his supporters here are proud.
     
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    Dustin Pedroia jammed his left ankle during Monday's game, but is expected to return to the lineup Wednesday.
    Source: Ian Browne on Twitter 




    besides it was the 2nd pic that amuzed me
     

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