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    Theo Compensation

    Would Volstad be adequate compensation for Theo?

     
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    No thanks...his ERA in past three years is over 4.50 especially pitching in the N.L. and also he gave up as least 20 HR's twice in past three years!!  He lost more games than he won in his entire career.  

    Sound like he is not a smart pitcher and lacks control!!
     
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    [QUOTE]Would Volstad be adequate compensation for Theo?
    Posted by hodgkinsfl1[/QUOTE]

    Looks like the Cubbies are trying to sign Maholm. 

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/01/cubs-trying-for-agreement-with-maholm.html

    you think they'd do a "sign-and-trade" and pass him off to our Sox?
     
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    [QUOTE]No thanks...his ERA in past three years is over 4.50 especially pitching in the N.L. and also he gave up as least 20 HR's twice in past three years!!  He lost more games than he won in his entire career.   Sound like he is not a smart pitcher and lacks control!!
    Posted by GoUconn13[/QUOTE]
    And Chris Volstad would still be a top candidate for the back end of the Red Sox rotation.

    I suspect the Cubs value Volstad too much to send him to the Red Sox as compensation for Theo Epstein.

    BTW, Josh Beckett has surrendered 20 homeruns in each of the last three seasons while Jon Lester has surrendered 20 homeruns twice in the past three seasons.
     
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    [QUOTE]Epstein says the Red Sox should obtain compensation for his departure, but he cited Andy MacPhail's move to the Cubs in 1994 and cautioned that historical precedent suggests the Red Sox shouldn't obtain much from Chicago.
    Posted by pinstripezac[/QUOTE]
    http://www.weei.com/sports/boston/this-just-in/21168681/theo-not-precedent-major-compensation
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Theo Compensation : http://www.weei.com/sports/boston/this-just-in/21168681/theo-not-precedent-major-compensation
    Posted by hill55[/QUOTE]

    This is old news. Those who bought the postering were kidding themselves. There is nothing stating the Cubs have to offer compensation. Protocol is to allow an executive upward mobility, even if he is under contract.
    Theo is not the GM of the Cubs, Hoyer is.
    There is precedent with managers, but not executives, with perhaps a lone exception here or there.
    Selig cannot do anything, the Sox cannot do anything unless an agreement was made on compensation before allowing Theo to leave. To expect a prime prospect or Garza is ridiculous
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Theo Compensation : This is old news. Those who bought the postering were kidding themselves. There is nothing stating the Cubs have to offer compensation. Protocol is to allow an executive upward mobility, even if he is under contract. Theo is not the GM of the Cubs, Hoyer is. There is precedent with managers, but not executives, with perhaps a lone exception here or there. Selig cannot do anything, the Sox cannot do anything unless an agreement was made on compensation before allowing Theo to leave. To expect a prime prospect or Garza is ridiculous
    Posted by rkarp[/QUOTE]
    You really believe that Theo not doing same exact job duties w/ Cubs as he did w/ RS. Job titles nothing but window dressing, Both Theo and Jed are doing same exact duties w/Cubs as they performed w/ RS together 05-09. If MLB steps in have to bet some form of compensation will be given [won't be much]. Otherewise what would stop say Yankees from going after an Andrew Friedman of Rays to replace Brian Cashman and just give him a different job title, to avoid compensation.
    Difference here is how much did RS really want Theo to stay? Have to believe after not making playoffs 3 yrs in a row, bad signings like Lackey/Crawford/Jenks recently JD/Lugo and others in past it might have been time for a change. Theo had a good run, but like he said, it was time. 
    Keep hearing RS will get [2] mid level prospects from Cubs after 40 man rosters are set as compensation, which sounds about right. Fans who want Garza/Castro as compensation a little far fetched. 

     
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    In response to "Re: Theo Compensation": [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Theo Compensation : http://www.weei.com/sports/boston/this-just-in/21168681/theo-not-precedent-major-compensation Posted by hill55[/QUOTE] The 30th ranked prospect for Andy Macphail, who at the time, was as respected around the game as Theo is. That is a precedent and I don't believe it will be deviated from that much. Bud Selig has made it clear that he doesn't want to make it difficult for executives to take new positions...much ado about nothing...
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Theo Compensation : You really believe that Theo not doing same exact job duties w/ Cubs as he did w/ RS. Job titles nothing but window dressing, Both Theo and Jed are doing same exact duties w/Cubs as they performed w/ RS together 05-09. If MLB steps in have to bet some form of compensation will be given [won't be much]. Otherewise what would stop say Yankees from going after an Andrew Friedman of Rays to replace Brian Cashman and just give him a different job title, to avoid compensation. Difference here is how much did RS really want Theo to stay? Have to believe after not making playoffs 3 yrs in a row, bad signings like Lackey/Crawford/Jenks recently JD/Lugo and others in past it might have been time for a change. Theo had a good run, but like he said, it was time.  Keep hearing RS will get [2] mid level prospects from Cubs after 40 man rosters are set as compensation, which sounds about right. Fans who want Garza/Castro as compensation a little far fetched. 
    Posted by garyhow[/QUOTE]
    What matters is Theo's title
    There is nothing stopping the Yankees from offering Andrew Friedman a job with a different title, just like the Houston Astros offered him a job 2 months ago.
    The McPhail compensation is seemingly the only case sited in the past 50 years, and the bounty was the 30th ranked prospect in the org at the time.
     I dont have a problem with the issue dragging, or the Sox not getting compensation. I simply dont understand those who think compensation will be Garza, a major league player, or a top ranked prospect. Why does anyone think this? Because Larry Luchino thinks it will be?
    My hunch is that Theo and Ben already have an agreement that is inline with the 20-30th ranked propspect, and because Larry spopke out of turn to the media, the delay is to allow Larry to try and not look bad.
    Theo kind of put it to rest already. Sox fans should expect an older AAAA player that will round out the Pawsox 
     
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    significant compensation was mentioned when the news first broke......end of story
     
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    http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/red-sox/post/_/id/15240/sox-cubs-extend-theo-compensation-talks

    this was from last year...read second to last paragraph
     
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    In response to "Re: Theo Compensation": [QUOTE]significant compensation was mentioned when the news first broke......end of story Posted by sday4x4[/QUOTE] The Cubs may think "significant" compensation is their 25th best prospect while the Sox may think it's their 5th best prospect. Determining the definition of "significant," as the article mentions, is the key here and the Cubs are holding all the cards....
     
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    can we just end these threads about compensation?  in the end, the sox will get next to nothing.  end of story.
     
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    [QUOTE]significant compensation was mentioned when the news first broke......end of story
    Posted by sday4x4[/QUOTE]
    I suspect the parties agreed to "appropriate" compensation, not "significant" compensation.

    According to a joint statement issued by the teams on October 21, the Cubs and Red Sox ‘‘have reached an agreement regarding a process by which appropriate compensation will be determined for the Red Sox, and that issue will be resolved in the near term."

    http://www.suntimes.com/sports/8349458-419/cubs-officially-hire-theo-epstein-but-compensation-up-in-air.html

    At one point, a Red Sox official said Theo Epstein was "worth a significant prospect or two."

    http://articles.boston.com/2011-10-19/sports/30298446_1_gm-ben-cherington-sox-assistant-gm-diamondbacks-gm-josh-byrnes

    At another point, Globe beat reporter Peter Abraham used the word "significant" without specific atribution.

    http://articles.boston.com/2011-11-03/sports/30355748_1_ben-cherington-jacoby-ellsbury-red-sox

    At yet another point, an unidentified Red Sox source said the teams had an understanding that Boston would receive a "significant" return.

    http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2011/11/17/red-sox-pressing-cubs-for-significant-return/DH4kAkPpL8SFRjUEt6BxvM/story.html

    Without citing a source (identified or unidentified) Gordon Edes of ESPNBoston reported that "the sides have yet to come to an agreement on what is meant by 'significant' compensation, which is what the teams agreed upon when the Sox granted the Cubs permission to hire Epstein away as their president of baseball operations."

    http://espn.go.com/boston/mlb/story/_/id/7176264/theo-epstein-compensation-deadline-arrives-tuesday

    My brief search found no report that attributed the words "significant compensation" to a Cubs source. I found only the reference to "appropriate" compensation in the joint media release in October.

    The media may be misconstruing the compensation issue ... or not.

    The Cubs front office reportedly has agreed to a moratorium on the hiring of certain Red Sox employees, many of whom would be otherwise free to join the Cubs. Some could characterize that concession as significant compensation.

    I suspect the parties will work out the issue amicably.
     
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    based on theo's recent signings/performance as GM, what can we realistically expect for him???? seriously he ducked out of town as the chit storm blew in...

    if we didnt want him to go, we wouldve made him honor his contract...we didnt...too late now.... 
     
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    In response to "Re: Theo Compensation": [QUOTE]significant compensation was mentioned when the news first broke......end of story Posted by sday4x4[/QUOTE] But the story is coming out of the Red Sox mouths and not agreed by the Cubs? Do you have a link with the Cubs agreeing?
     
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    sounds like alot of Clintonesque....."depends on what you meant......."

    significant is defined in the dictionary....this isn't a point of view from Cubs/Sox side trying to define significant.....Sox gave up someone of value (I understand people may differ on his work)...but they gave up a position of value(someone who had big effect on club,player or not)...a transition was going to effect the club. Good value should come back...not some scrub.
     
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    I still say ship 'em Jenks, save $6M, and call it even.
     
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    [QUOTE]In response to "Re: Theo Compensation": The 30th ranked prospect for Andy Macphail, who at the time, was as respected around the game as Theo is. That is a precedent and I don't believe it will be deviated from that much. Bud Selig has made it clear that he doesn't want to make it difficult for executives to take new positions...much ado about nothing...
    Posted by jasko2248[/QUOTE]
    I agree.

    Andy MacPhail had marshaled the Minnesota Twins to two World Series titles when he left his general manager post to become president/CEO of the Chicago Cubs in 1994 at age 41.

    It's hard to find a closer comp.
     
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    Compensation was the Cubs taking an idiot off the Red Sox hands.
     
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    I think we're going to get Brett Jackson.  He's MLB ready, the Cubs signed DeJesus, and the Sox traded Reddick, knowing Kalish wouldn't be ready until at least June.  Also, it's fair compensation. Also, they picked up a big lefty prospect bat in Rizzo.

     
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