Theo: Sox will be actively involved in trade discussions

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    From ESPNBoston.com:

    PHILADELPHIA -- Theo Epstein's public stance on the approaching trade deadline: The Boston Red Sox will be involved in trade talks, they'll be aggressive and their track record suggests that they will spend what they deem necessary.

    "We're not a perfect club, that's for sure,'' Epstein said while meeting with reporters in the visitors' dugout before Wednesday's 2-1 loss to the Philadelphia Phillies.
     "I can't sit here and say we'll definitely make a blockbuster trade,'' he said. "For one thing, there's not a huge market for sellers right now. But it's a long way from July 31. Market dynamics change, our own situation can change.''

    Epstein acknowledged that the lack of production in right field is an area that obviously needs upgrading. What he doesn't know, he said, is whether that will require acquiring outside help.

    "Obviously we've noticed,'' Epstein said. "I think you'd have to be blind not to notice. We're not getting much out of right field. We all expect to get more out of it going forward.

    "These things all work themselves out. I am encouraged by the fact that we can be where we are offensively without much of anything out of right field. We will get better. There's no way we're going to have the same production that we've had so far. We'll improve internally, and who knows, there's a chance we'll improve at various spots externally.''

    Epstein refused to discuss payroll issues, and while Sox ownership said this spring that the club had retained flexibility to make some moves at the deadline, the Sox committed $296 million in the offseason and early spring to two players: Adrian Gonzalez and Carl Crawford. Privately, the signals from Yawkey Way are that the Sox will not be in the market for any big-ticket items that might be available in July -- Jose Reyes, for example.

    "We'll definitely be actively involved in trade discussions,'' Epstein said. "We may be very active, we may be less active. We may be involved in smaller things. We'll see.

    "We have needs. We have areas that we have to upgrade. Those upgrades might come from guys on the 25-man roster playing better and getting locked in. Improvements might come from guys off the DL or guys in the minor leagues. I'm sure in some form or another we'll find an external solution to some of our needs.''

     
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    if theo's involved, one shouldn't get one's hopes up.
     
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    Don't expect any "blockbuster" RF coming into The Fens. We are what we are for this season pretty much. Desperately need this NL road trip to end.
     
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    Seems to me that the Dodgers will be looking to cut a huge amount of payroll given the recent Bankruptcy filing. Perfect opportunity to go after Matt Kemp and I believe we could get him for Buchholz even up, or maybe even Bowden and another top prospect.
     
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    He's a tripple crown threat and set to make huge money next year when his contract is up. So, it would likely take a lot more than Ells and some prospects, and then the team would have to have the budget for another $20 by 7 contract (but like Agons, this one would be clearly worth it).  He'd be a huge, huge addition to the line up (but one that would still need a leadoff hitter; where's Johnny Damon when you need him).
     
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    What we need will cost us less than one might think in terms of prospects, if we're willing to take on some payroll? Which for the right guy, I'm pretty certain that Epstien would have the approval of Henry to do just that. Which has been the teams MO since 2003, the exceptions have been 2006 & 2010 when the roster was compromised due to injuries.

    As comprised the 2011 roster is positioned to go deep into the post season and although RF is a black hole, to me the position that needs to be upgraded is SS with a proven veteren that can pick it and provide us with professional at bats in the bottom of the order...No disrespect to Scutaro, but he's really better suited to play 2nd and be the utility guy off the bench...Sad to say, I am offically over Lowrie, I feel for the kid, but he just can't be counted on to stay healthy down the stretch. Who's available and who could we target? I'm assuming Iglesias is still not ready and needs another season before he's a legit contender. If you start with the pending free agents for 2012 (middle infielders). There's few intriguing names on the list. the next place to look is teams that have top prospects ready to make the jump with a veteren blocking his path?

    Second Basemen
    Clint Barmes HOU
    Willie Bloomquist ARI *
    Orlando Cabrera CLE
    Robinson Cano NYY *
    Jamey Carroll LAD
    Luis Castillo NYM
    Alex Cora WAS
    Craig Counsell MIL
    Mark Ellis OAK
    Jerry Hairston Jr. WAS
    Aaron Hill TOR *
    Omar Infante FLA
    Joe Inglett HOU
    Kelly Johnson ARI
    Adam Kennedy SEA
    Felipe Lopez TB
    Jose Lopez FLA
    Aaron Miles LAD
    Brandon Phillips CIN *

    Shortstops
    Yuniesky Betancourt MIL *
    Ronny Cedeno PIT
    Adam Everett CLE
    Rafael Furcal LAD
    Alex Gonzalez ATL
    J.J. Hardy BAL
    Cesar Izturis BAL
    John McDonald TOR
    Augie Ojeda ARI
    Jose Reyes NYM
    Nick Punto STL
    Edgar Renteria CIN
    Jose Reyes NYM
    Jimmy Rollins PHI
    Ramon Santiago DET
    Marco Scutaro BOS *
    Jack Wilson SEA

    As for RF, I'd like to see Reddick given the chance to produce because he's the guy that would give us the most financial flexibiltiy to spend on other needs while upgrading the position (SS & Bullpen)...Given Drew & Cameron's contracts and lack of production, neither has any real value to entice a team to take them, and if Reddick's not the answer. When Crawford comes off the DL, I see us getting another "platoon type", and cutting MacDonald.

    Same as above to get an idea of who might be on the market here's the list of the potential 2012 FA outfielders.

    Outfielders
    Bobby Abreu LAA *
    Rick Ankiel WAS
    Carlos Beltran NYM
    Milton Bradley SEA
    Pat Burrell SF
    Mike Cameron BOS
    Coco Crisp OAK
    Michael Cuddyer MIN
    Jack Cust SEA
    Johnny Damon TB
    David DeJesus OAK
    J.D. Drew BOS
    Jeff Francoeur KC *
    Kosuke Fukudome CHC
    Jonny Gomes CIN
    Gabe Gross OAK
    Vladimir Guerrero BAL
    Carlos Guillen DET
    Scott Hairston NYM
    Willie Harris NYM
    Raul Ibanez PHI
    Conor Jackson OAK
    Andruw Jones NYY
    Austin Kearns CLE
    Jason Kubel MIN
    Ryan Ludwick SD
    Hideki Matsui OAK
    Nate McLouth ATL *
    Jason Michaels HOU
    Laynce Nix WAS
    Magglio Ordonez DET
    Juan Pierre CWS
    Juan Rivera TOR
    Cody Ross SF
    Grady Sizemore CLE *
    Matt Stairs WAS
    Nick Swisher NYY *
    Marcus Thames LAD
    Josh Willingham OAK



    So with July fast approaching and the roster in need of a few tweaks. It'll be interesting to see how this plays out. In the short term, the key is to get the starting rotation back in order and see what we have in Morales (lefty specialist) & Jenk's...if both pitch well it lesson the need to add an arm and allows us to focus on SS & RF...

     
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    Shortstop : Scutaro's arm strength gone due to injury, Lowrie on DL for quite a while it appears; BUT no need for a big move there! We have Sutton right now, who's minimally serviceable. Plus Iglesias is potentially a Gold Glove major league ss NOW-albeit with no bat. Yamaico Navarro is the candidate who intrigues me as fill-in for 2011.

    Main questions I have : Can Doubront or even Weiland spell Wake if Buchholz out a long time ? Can Miller keep it up ? Is last night's performance indicative of a Lackey turnaround ?

    And can Theo pull trigger for Cuddyer or Francoeur without paying too much ?
     
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    [QUOTE]Seems to me that the Dodgers will be looking to cut a huge amount of payroll given the recent Bankruptcy filing. Perfect opportunity to go after Matt Kemp and I believe we could get him for Buchholz even up, or maybe even Bowden and another top prospect.
    Posted by Alibiike[/QUOTE]

    I agree that Kemp would be a great addition...But it would take alot more than Bucholz even up or Bowden and a prospect. Why would they even consider trading Kemp for Buch????
     
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    A good team never looks quite the same in September as it did in April.  The FO has spent this part of the season identifying weaknesses (RF comes to mind immediately) and will fill them during July. 

    I look for Reddick to get a chance to prove he can't play RF and if he can't there'll be a trade in the works to get someone who can.  This team desperately needs one regular RF'er who can be dependable (in a positive way) both offensively and defensively.

    This team also needs a bench that hits above the Mendoza line.  That's not asking too much.. is it?  To have someone who can PH or sub when a regular gets a day off and have us actually think he might get a hit??

    I have confidence in the top 3 in the pitching staff and have no problem with Wake, Miller, Aceves, and Lackey duking it out for the last two spots.  That's a "problem" lots of teams would love to have.  And remember, once a team gets into the playoffs three pitchers is all a team needs.  The trick is getting the last two who can get them there.

    Catching and IF'ers don't concern me too much.  At least not to the point where the FO should go out and get a reserve IF'er.  Between Pawtucket and Sutton the team is set for temporary replacements.
     
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    [QUOTE]Shortstop : Scutaro's arm strength gone due to injury, Lowrie on DL for quite a while it appears; BUT no need for a big move there! We have Sutton right now, who's minimally serviceable. Plus Iglesias is potentially a Gold Glove major league ss NOW-albeit with no bat. Yamaico Navarro is the candidate who intrigues me as fill-in for 2011. Main questions I have : Can Doubront or even Weiland spell Wake if Buchholz out a long time ? Can Miller keep it up ? Is last night's performance indicative of a Lackey turnaround ? And can Theo pull trigger for Cuddyer or Francoeur without paying too much ?
    Posted by jimedfred[/QUOTE]

    We're on the same page regarding SS, we don't need an All Star (but I'd take one)...Iglesias is still the future, but at some point we all might have to accept the reality that his stick is simply not going to be a strength, is his glove such that we can get by with a sub .250 hitter at short (see Alex Gonzales) if we add a big bat in right, the answer might be yes?...

    I see where you're going with the pitching questions, if Doubront's healthy he's certainly an option (depending on where his innings count is?). Aquiring another front line "starter" is certainly an option, more so if Lackey's elbow "worsens" (as they say you can never have too much pitching), but would be the most costly in terms of prospects vs return. Given the amount of teams that are in play...

    Here's the 2012 FA list....

    Starting Pitchers
    Mark Buehrle CWS
    Chris Carpenter STL *
    Bruce Chen KC
    Aaron Cook COL *
    Kyle Davies KC
    Ryan Dempster CHC *
    Justin Duchscherer OAK
    Zach Duke ARI *
    Jeff Francis KC
    Freddy Garcia NYY
    Jon Garland LAD *
    Aaron Harang SD
    Rich Harden OAK
    Livan Hernandez WAS
    Edwin Jackson CWS
    Kenshin Kawakami ATL
    Scott Kazmir LAA
    Hiroki Kuroda LAD
    Rodrigo Lopez CHC
    Paul Maholm PIT
    John Maine COL
    Jason Marquis WAS
    Kevin Millwood NYY
    Scott Olsen PIT *
    Roy Oswalt PHI *
    Brad Penny DET
    Oliver Perez NYM
    Joel Pineiro LAA
    CC Sabathia NYY (may opt out)
    Carlos Silva NYY
    Javier Vazquez FLA
    Adam Wainwright STL *
    Tim Wakefield BOS
    Chien-Ming Wang WAS
    Brandon Webb ARI
    C.J. Wilson TEX
    Chris Young NYM
     
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    I'm sure Theo was being truthful, but "actively involved" doesn't mean he will pull the trigger.

    Despite the current bad times, this is one of the best hitting teams in MLB, and the defense ain't too shabby either.  Pitching is also fine if Buchholz can get off the DL and Beckett can bounce back from the flu. 

    If Reddick keeps hitting, the RF problem is solved, and so far he is hitting .438 or something.  Granted, for just a few games. 

    I'd stay with Scutaro at SS with Sutton backing up.  Down the road Lowrie might be healthy and productive this season, and Navarro is available at Pawtucket.  And Iglesias can't hit, but he can field. 

    I also see no need for a big trade for a starter or reliever. 
     
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    I'd rather have  the  we'll do what it akes to imporove our club statement    than   a GM who  throws in the towel.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Theo: Sox will be actively involved in trade discussions : I agree that Kemp would be a great addition...But it would take alot more than Bucholz even up or Bowden and a prospect. Why would they even consider trading Kemp for Buch????
    Posted by jrh1194[/QUOTE]

    They can't afford to re-sign him and they need pitching plus the lower price tag.
     
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    This team needs a right handed power hitter.
    There's no balance in the lineup, and having three lefty hitting outfielders is absurd. The entire minor league system is loaded with lefty hitters at corner positions. The kid Hassan at Portland is the only all around player who is a righty hitter, and he's at least two years away.
    Reddick does this every time he come up. He becomes a future HOFer to some, and then the pitchers catch up to him. Reddick or Kalish could be included in a package for someone like Kemp.
    A guy like Kemp would be perfect in RF. He has all the tools and is in his prime.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Theo: Sox will be actively involved in trade discussions : I agree that Kemp would be a great addition...But it would take alot more than Bucholz even up or Bowden and a prospect. Why would they even consider trading Kemp for Buch????
    Posted by jrh1194[/QUOTE]

    Given the current litigation, finanacial situation and the pending sale of the Dodgers, even McCourt's not silly enough to trade away the teams best on field assets and damage the saleability of the club further. I also doubt that MLB would approve such a deal unless the Dodger get a substancial windfall in return and the deal is percived as in the best interest of the franchise...

    Frankly, I just don't see the Sox puling off such a deal, after aquiring Gonzales this offseason, we simply don't have the chips and we aren't trading Buccholz and/or Ellsbury...

    As for Kemp, he could be in play for the Sox, when he hits the market after next year, but if he post a couple of 300-30-100 with 30 steals seasons in a row, given his age and ability, we might be talking 7 years @ 20 per/140M. Just to get your name in the hat...As for the notion the Dodgers would save moneys by moving him below is his current deal...which given his production is peanuts in the big picture...

    Matt Kemp of
    2 years/$10.95M (2010-11)
    • 2 years/$10.95M (2010-11)
      • re-signed by LA Dodgers 1/15/10 (avoided arbitration)
      • 10:$4M, 11:$6.95M
      • 2011 salary may increase based on 2010 PAs ($50,000 for 600 PAs, $0.1M for 650 PAs, $0.15M for 675 PAs)
    • 1 year/$0.467M (2009)
      • re-signed by LA Dodgers 3/6/09
    • 1 year/$0.406M (2008)
      • re-signed by LA Dodgers 2/23/08
    • 1 year/$0.383M (2007)
    • drafted 2003 (6-181) (Midwest City HS, Okla)
    • $0.13M signing bonus
    • agent: Dave Stewart
    • ML service: 4.049
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Theo: Sox will be actively involved in trade discussions : They can't afford to re-sign him and they need pitching plus the lower price tag.
    Posted by Alibiike[/QUOTE]

    All of that may be true. But Kemp for Bucholz straight up...The Dodgers aren't that desparate. Theo would certainly have to sweeten the pot to get Kemp.
     
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    Send Cameron to the old folks home for Dave Parker.
     
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    [QUOTE]Seems to me that the Dodgers will be looking to cut a huge amount of payroll given the recent Bankruptcy filing. Perfect opportunity to go after Matt Kemp and I believe we could get him for Buchholz even up, or maybe even Bowden and another top prospect.
    Posted by Alibiike[/QUOTE]

    They will probably ask for at least Kalish, Pimentel, Tejada/Anderson, and Britton.
     
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    Oops I forgot Dave Parker hits lefthanded. Maybe Dewey's available.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Theo: Sox will be actively involved in trade discussions : They can't afford to re-sign him and they need pitching plus the lower price tag.
    Posted by Alibiike[/QUOTE]

    I agree "they" as in the current owners can't, once the team is sold, the new guys certainly will, if that guys name is Cuban...

    Let's just for the sake of this arguement propose a deal that would entice the Dodger's to trade him (to us). Buccholz is off the board and Adding Kemp and subtracting Ells doesn't substantially improve our lineup...A player with Kemp's ability, history suggest it'll take a minimum of 3 top prospects and/or players that are under the teams control for 3 or 4 years with proven track record in MLB in this case we have to assume the same caviat that was part of the Gonzales deal would be top of the list of qualifiers, we'd have to be able to negociate and extension or at minimum have a mutual agreement that Kemp and his agents will negotiate in good faith.

    Would a package of Kalish our #1 prospect, Ranaudo our #2, plus say Britton #11 and/or Brenz #10 getter done? or do we need to sweeten the pot by adding Iglesias or Navarro...because in the end that's the type of deal that would and could entice the dodgers to trade him and almost as important get MLB to sign off on it...


     
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    [QUOTE]This team needs a right handed power hitter. There's no balance in the lineup, and having three lefty hitting outfielders is absurd. The entire minor league system is loaded with lefty hitters at corner positions. The kid Hassan at Portland is the only all around player who is a righty hitter, and he's at least two years away. Reddick does this every time he come up. He becomes a future HOFer to some, and then the pitchers catch up to him. Reddick or Kalish could be included in a package for someone like Kemp. A guy like Kemp would be perfect in RF. He has all the tools and is in his prime.
    Posted by tbrod[/QUOTE]

    Absurd?  Where were you with that insight when the Sox won 9 in a row and took over the MLB lead in runs scored?    It seems to me that the Sox have demonstrated pretty conclusively that great righties in the OF are not the sine qua non for scoring runs. 

    Imagine a remake of Field of Dreams, and one team captain is told he is stuck with no righties in the outfield, which means he has to get by with Ted Williams, Ty Cobb, and Babe Ruth.  Can't you just hear him?  "I ain't doing it.  My buddy tbrod told me you gotta have righty-lefty balance in the outfield.  Besides, Cobb don't hit dingers."   

    75% of pitchers the Sox face are righties.  It seems to me that the greater danger is too many righties in the lineup.

    But the real answer is that you need guys who can hit, period.  Manny was invaluable because he was a great hitter.  Ditto Jason Bay even though the Sox didn't try to keep him. 

    In point of fact, the Sox have a winning record this year against lefty starters. 

    I wouldn't mind having a good or even great righty hitting outfielder.  The problem as always is getting one for a reasonable price, and that, I contend, can't be done.  The Sox went out and got Mike Cameron on the thesis that a righty bat would really help in the outfield.  It didn't. 

    Meanwhile a lefty named Reddick is hitting pretty good, and the Sox already own him.  Why not give him a shot? 
     
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    It looks like Cameron is history.

    I say give Reddick significant playing time unless a real great opportunity materializes.

    Theo can say what he wants but they will not spend for a RF acquisition/contract given the cost benefit of the current RF scenario.

    No need to throw money at the problem................
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Theo: Sox will be actively involved in trade discussions : They will probably ask for at least Kalish, Pimentel, Tejada/Anderson, and Britton.
    Posted by bgomez[/QUOTE]
    Deal...they can have them all
     
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    Sorry, but Cr-oh for-d. Ells and Drew/Reddick, do not compose Ruth, Cobb and Ted Williams. THAT'S absurd.
    This team plays in Fenway Park. Tony C., Dewey, Rice, Lowell, and Nomar, to name a few, did pretty well here. You need balance. A nine game string in May is meaningless in view of an entire season.
     

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