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    No,this isn't from THAT Mike Andrews.From Soxprospects.com:

     Mike Andrews, Soxprospects.com
    With Theo Epstein on the cusp of departing the Red Sox to join the Chicago Cubs organization, here’s a look at the best and worst draft picks of the Epstein era.

    Best high-round picks (first, supplemental, or second round)

    1. Dustin Pedroia -- Boston took the gritty second baseman out of Arizona State in the second round (64th overall) of the 2004 draft. He cruised through the minors and has since won American League Rookie of the Year and MVP honors, and is a three-time AL All-Star.

    2. Jacoby Ellsbury -- The Red Sox selected Ellsbury out of Oregon State in the first round (23rd overall) in 2005. The 28-year-old outfielder is coming off of an MVP-caliber season in 2011. He could easily be listed at No. 1, but we’ll give Pedroia the nod as the best pick since he was a second-rounder.

    3. Clay Buchholz -- Buchholz was snagged out of Angelina Junior College in the supplemental first round (42nd overall) in 2005. The right-hander dominated the minors and has gone 35-24 with a 3.64 ERA in 78 games with Boston.

    4. Daniel Bard -- Boston picked Bard out of North Carolina in the first round (28th overall) of the 2006 draft. Originally projected as a starter, Bard had a horrific first minor-league season (3-7, 7.08 ERA) and was converted to the bullpen the following season. While there have been a few hiccups here and there -- this past September included -- he’s been one of the best relievers in the American League since his arrival to the majors in 2009.

    5. Justin Masterson -- Masterson was selected out of San Diego State in the second round (71st overall) in 2006. Boston later packaged the big right-hander in a trade with Cleveland for catcher Victor Martinez in 2009. In 2011, Masterson went 12-10 with a 3.21 ERA in 34 games with the Indians.

    Other solid high-round picks: David Murphy (1st round, 2003), Matt Murton (supplemental, 2003), Jed Lowrie (supplemental, 2005), Nick Hagadone (supp., 2007), Casey Kelly (1st round, 2008), Reymond Fuentes (1st round, 2009), Alex Wilson (2nd round, 2009), Bryce Brentz (supp., 2010), Antony Ranaudo (supp., 2010), Matt Barnes (1st round, 2011)

    Best mid-round picks (3rd–10th rounds)

    1. Jonathan Papelbon -- The Red Sox selected Papelbon out of Mississippi State in the fourth round of the 2003 draft. He has posted 219 saves in his seven-year major-league career, already placing him at No. 37 on the all-time saves list.

    2. Anthony Rizzo -- Boston picked up Rizzo in the sixth round in 2007 out of Stoneman Douglas High School in Florida. He was traded with Kelly and Fuentes to San Diego for Adrian Gonzalez in December 2010. At just 22, Rizzo dominated Triple-A competition in 2011, putting up a .331/.404/.652 line with 26 home runs in 356 at-bats, but he struggled in a short major-league stint with San Diego.

    3. Will Middlebrooks -- Middlebrooks was selected in the fifth round of the 2007 draft, coming out of Liberty-Eylau High School in Texas. The power-hitting third baseman is now considered the top prospect in the Red Sox system.

    4. Ryan Kalish -- Epstein used his 2006 ninth-round pick to select Kalish out of Red Bank Catholic High School in New Jersey. In his six-year minor league career, Kalish has posted a .280/.367/.429 line, typically playing well above his age level. While his 2011 season was riddled with injuries, he still projects as an everyday outfielder at the major-league level.

    5. Ryan Lavarnway -- The Red Sox drafted Lavarnway out of Yale in the sixth round of the 2008 draft. He has been the best hitter in the Sox system for three years running, putting up a minor-league career line of .284/.376/.521, showing remarkable plate discipline and power potential in the process. The 24-year-old backstop is slated for a permanent jump to the majors at some point in 2012.

    Other solid mid-round picks: Cla Meredith (6th, 2004), Dustin Richardson (5th, 2006), Kyle Weiland (3rd, 2008), Ryan Westmoreland (5th, 2008), Tim Federowicz (7th, 2008), Christian Vasquez (9th, 2008), Jeremy Hazelbaker (4th, 2009), Brandon Jacobs (10th, 2009), Sean Coyle (3rd, 2010), Garin Cecchini (4th, 2010), Henry Ramos (5th, 2010), Cody Kukuk (7th, 2011)

    Top late-round picks (11th–50th rounds)

    1. Josh Reddick -- Selected in the 17th round of the 2006 draft, Reddick was the regular right fielder for the 2011 club and has a solid future as a third or fourth outfielder.

    2. Drake Britton -- Boston picked up Britton, a lefty with a plus curveball and a mid-90s fastball, in the 23rd round in 2007. The 22-year-old had a poor season with High-A Salem in 2011, but still projects as a major league arm, whether it be a back-of-the-rotation starter or perhaps a high-leverage reliever.

    3. Miles Head -- Head was drafted in the 26th round in 2009. He put up mediocre numbers in 2009 and 2010, but in 2011 the powerful first baseman hit .299/.372/.515 with 22 home runs in 495 at-bats between stops in Salem and Low-A Greenville.

    4. Alex Hassan -- A Massachusetts native picked up in the 20th round in 2009 out of Duke, Hassan has shown an excellent plate approach at every level. In 2011, he hit .291/.404/.456 with 13 home runs for Double-A Portland. He likely projects as a fourth outfielder at the major league level.

    5. Lars Anderson -- Once considered the top prospect in the organization, Anderson was drafted in the 18th round in 2006. While his stock has faded significantly in recent years, he still could have a future as a contributor at first base for a second-division club.

    Other solid late-round picks: Luis Exposito (31st, 2005), Bubba Bell (39th, 2005), Kyle Stroup (50th, 2007), Dan Butler (undrafted free agent, 2008), Keith Couch (13th, 2010)

    Worst draft picks

    1. Jason Place -- Boston selected Place in the first round (27th overall) of the 2006 draft, and gave the prep outfielder a $1.3 million bonus, passing on players such as Joba Chamberlain, Chris Perez, Trevor Cahill and Zach Britton. Place went on to hit .230 over his minor-league career, never made it past Double-A and was released by the Red Sox in March 2011.

    2. Mike Rozier -- After drafting Rozier in the 12th round in 2004, Boston gave him a $1.575 million bonus, one of the largest bonuses ever given out by the club to that point. The right-hander struggled with confidence and weight issues during his minor-league career, ultimately posting a 16-24 career record with a 5.23 ERA. He played in only one game above A-Ball during his career, and was released by the Red Sox in March 2009.

    3. Jonathan Egan -- The Red Sox took Egan in the second round (57th overall) in 2005, and gave him a $625,000 bonus. He ran into some legal trouble early in his career, and after posting a .235 career batting average, the catcher was released in March 2008. He never played beyond Low-A Greenville.

    4. Kris Johnson -- A left-hander out of Wichita State, Johnson was selected in the supplemental first round (39th overall) of the 2006 draft and given an $850,000 bonus. While he showed a few flashes of brilliance during his minor-league career, he was mostly mediocre and was released after putting up a 12.63 ERA in eight appearances with Pawtucket in 2011. Over his minor league career, Johnson was 28-49 with a 5.10 ERA.

    5. Mickey Hall -- Boston selected Hall in the second round (54th overall) of the 2003 draft, passing on the likes of Andre Ethier, Scott Baker, Shawn Marcum and Drew Stubbs. The Sox traded Hall to Cleveland for Paul Byrd in 2008. He hit .234 over his minor league career, which ended following the 2009 season.

    Other high-round picks that didn’t pan out: Abe Alvarez (2003, 2nd), Andrew Dobies (2004, 3rd), Craig Hansen (2005, 1st), Scott Blue (2005, 4th).

    Other high-round picks that haven’t panned out (yet): Caleb Clay (2006, Suppl.), Ryan Dent (2007, Suppl.), Derrik Gibson (2008, 2nd), Peter Hissey (2008, 4th)

    Draft picks who the Red Sox didn’t sign

    1. Brandon Belt -- Boston drafted Belt as a prep pitcher in the 11th round in 2006, but failed to sign him. San Francisco then took him in the 5th round in 2009, and he has since gone on to become the top prospect in the Giants’ system as a first baseman. The 23-year-old made his major league debut in 2011.

    2. Pedro Alvarez -- Alvarez headed to Vanderbilt after Boston was unable to sign him after selecting him in the 14th round in 2005. After three outstanding years with the Commodores, Pittsburgh took the third baseman with the second overall pick in 2008. While he hasn’t lived up to the expectations of a second overall pick to this point, he’s still only 24 and projects as an everyday third baseman over the long haul.

    3. Yasmani Grandal -- Boston took Grandal, a Cuban catcher, in the 27th round in 2007, but was unable to sign him away from his commitment to the University of Miami. Cincinnati took him in the first round (12th overall) three seasons later. In two professional seasons, the backstop has hit .303/.401/.488 in the Reds’ system.

    4. Matt LaPorta -- After the Red Sox failed to sign LaPorta after drafting him in the 14th round in 2006, the Brewers turned around and selected him in the first round (7th overall) the following season. While he’s had a mediocre major-league career to this point, he still has promise as an impact first baseman.

    5. Hunter Morris -- Boston opted not to sign Morris because he changed his bonus demands after the Sox drafted him in the second round in 2007. He spent three years at Auburn, after which time Milwaukee picked him up in the fourth round of the 2010 draft. The first baseman has put up a .266/.303/.457 line in two seasons in the Brewers’ system.

    Other draftees who didn’t sign with the Red Sox: Steve Pearce (10th, 2004), Jason Castro (43rd, 2005), Alex Meyer (20th, 2008), Sam Stafford (40th, 2008), Branden Kline (6th, 2009), Tyler Barnette (9th, 2010), Eric Jaffe (19th, 2010), Senquez Golson (8th, 2011
     
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    That's a good list. I can't disagree with any of the choices, but Ellsbury might wind up #1 before all is said and done.
     
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    yup ..good post..nice to look at a list like that....antony ranaudo and matt barnes i think will be solid pitchers for the red sox...
     
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    Who really makes these decisions?  I remember hearing that the Sox have spent more on scouting than any other team.

    Is there someone behind the scenes that is truly the mastermind?  How does this all work?
     
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    [QUOTE]Who really makes these decisions?  I remember hearing that the Sox have spent more on scouting than any other team. Is there someone behind the scenes that is truly the mastermind?  How does this all work?
    Posted by PatsFanGermany[/QUOTE]

    Theo had to pull the strings since he was in charge.
    He had to make the decision as to whom to draft with the support of his scouts and other FO people like Cherrington.

    As for injecting money into what does it matter? If the worst list was longer than the best list you'd be saying look how much Theo had to spend and he screwed it up.
    Spending more money does not mean you get the best results.
     
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    There are reasons that the Cubs want Epstein and this side of the RS operation is one of them. Cherington had been a big part of Theo's team on the player development side and that is why the RS appear to be prepared to have him succeed Epstein.

    For all the moaning in Boston recently, Epstein has many positive things to point to on his watch. Regardless of $$$ it isn't easy to do what the RS have done from 2003 to present which is average 93 plus wins a year. The 2004 team was a mostly old team built to win in a very short window of time. The 2007 team only had two starting position players left from 2004, the DH and two starting pitchers and no relievers from the 2004 roster.

    The Epstein era gets high marks for player development relative to draft position, they have evaluated their own players well as they approached FA, in aggregate their trades have been solid, they have done well with lower level FAs.

    They have had a real bad run with big ticket FA signing from other teams no doubt about it. I will say that in this market when a big splash signing is just OK it is a lot of drama (Drew) and when low risk, high reward guys don't give high reward (Smoltz, Penny, Wells) the sky is falling. But Lugo, RAW and Lackey are all examples of bad valuations. Crawford is on another planet of bad but stunningly 75% of RS Nation still has a small sample set of CC hurt the RS while with the Rays in their heads IMHO and therefore haven't quite yet figured out just how it insane it is the Carl Crawford has been given the second largest contract in the history of MLB.

    All that in balance, as time moves on the Epstein era will be a very fond memory in Boston sports history IMHO.


     
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    [QUOTE]No,this isn't from THAT Mike Andrews.From Soxprospects.com:  Mike Andrews, Soxprospects.com With Theo Epstein on the cusp of departing the Red Sox to join the Chicago Cubs organization, here’s a look at the best and worst draft picks of the Epstein era. Best high-round picks (first, supplemental, or second round) 1. Dustin Pedroia -- Boston took the gritty second baseman out of Arizona State in the second round (64th overall) of the 2004 draft. He cruised through the minors and has since won American League Rookie of the Year and MVP honors, and is a three-time AL All-Star. 2. Jacoby Ellsbury -- The Red Sox selected Ellsbury out of Oregon State in the first round (23rd overall) in 2005. The 28-year-old outfielder is coming off of an MVP-caliber season in 2011. He could easily be listed at No. 1, but we’ll give Pedroia the nod as the best pick since he was a second-rounder. 3. Clay Buchholz -- Buchholz was snagged out of Angelina Junior College in the supplemental first round (42nd overall) in 2005. The right-hander dominated the minors and has gone 35-24 with a 3.64 ERA in 78 games with Boston. 4. Daniel Bard -- Boston picked Bard out of North Carolina in the first round (28th overall) of the 2006 draft. Originally projected as a starter, Bard had a horrific first minor-league season (3-7, 7.08 ERA) and was converted to the bullpen the following season. While there have been a few hiccups here and there -- this past September included -- he’s been one of the best relievers in the American League since his arrival to the majors in 2009. 5. Justin Masterson -- Masterson was selected out of San Diego State in the second round (71st overall) in 2006. Boston later packaged the big right-hander in a trade with Cleveland for catcher Victor Martinez in 2009. In 2011, Masterson went 12-10 with a 3.21 ERA in 34 games with the Indians. Other solid high-round picks: David Murphy (1st round, 2003), Matt Murton (supplemental, 2003), Jed Lowrie (supplemental, 2005), Nick Hagadone (supp., 2007), Casey Kelly (1st round, 2008), Reymond Fuentes (1st round, 2009), Alex Wilson (2nd round, 2009), Bryce Brentz (supp., 2010), Antony Ranaudo (supp., 2010), Matt Barnes (1st round, 2011) Best mid-round picks (3rd–10th rounds) 1. Jonathan Papelbon -- The Red Sox selected Papelbon out of Mississippi State in the fourth round of the 2003 draft. He has posted 219 saves in his seven-year major-league career, already placing him at No. 37 on the all-time saves list. 2. Anthony Rizzo -- Boston picked up Rizzo in the sixth round in 2007 out of Stoneman Douglas High School in Florida. He was traded with Kelly and Fuentes to San Diego for Adrian Gonzalez in December 2010. At just 22, Rizzo dominated Triple-A competition in 2011, putting up a .331/.404/.652 line with 26 home runs in 356 at-bats, but he struggled in a short major-league stint with San Diego. 3. Will Middlebrooks -- Middlebrooks was selected in the fifth round of the 2007 draft, coming out of Liberty-Eylau High School in Texas. The power-hitting third baseman is now considered the top prospect in the Red Sox system. 4. Ryan Kalish -- Epstein used his 2006 ninth-round pick to select Kalish out of Red Bank Catholic High School in New Jersey. In his six-year minor league career, Kalish has posted a .280/.367/.429 line, typically playing well above his age level. While his 2011 season was riddled with injuries, he still projects as an everyday outfielder at the major-league level. 5. Ryan Lavarnway -- The Red Sox drafted Lavarnway out of Yale in the sixth round of the 2008 draft. He has been the best hitter in the Sox system for three years running, putting up a minor-league career line of .284/.376/.521, showing remarkable plate discipline and power potential in the process. The 24-year-old backstop is slated for a permanent jump to the majors at some point in 2012. Other solid mid-round picks: Cla Meredith (6th, 2004), Dustin Richardson (5th, 2006), Kyle Weiland (3rd, 2008), Ryan Westmoreland (5th, 2008), Tim Federowicz (7th, 2008), Christian Vasquez (9th, 2008), Jeremy Hazelbaker (4th, 2009), Brandon Jacobs (10th, 2009), Sean Coyle (3rd, 2010), Garin Cecchini (4th, 2010), Henry Ramos (5th, 2010), Cody Kukuk (7th, 2011) Top late-round picks (11th–50th rounds) 1. Josh Reddick -- Selected in the 17th round of the 2006 draft, Reddick was the regular right fielder for the 2011 club and has a solid future as a third or fourth outfielder. 2. Drake Britton -- Boston picked up Britton, a lefty with a plus curveball and a mid-90s fastball, in the 23rd round in 2007. The 22-year-old had a poor season with High-A Salem in 2011, but still projects as a major league arm, whether it be a back-of-the-rotation starter or perhaps a high-leverage reliever. 3. Miles Head -- Head was drafted in the 26th round in 2009. He put up mediocre numbers in 2009 and 2010, but in 2011 the powerful first baseman hit .299/.372/.515 with 22 home runs in 495 at-bats between stops in Salem and Low-A Greenville. 4. Alex Hassan -- A Massachusetts native picked up in the 20th round in 2009 out of Duke, Hassan has shown an excellent plate approach at every level. In 2011, he hit .291/.404/.456 with 13 home runs for Double-A Portland. He likely projects as a fourth outfielder at the major league level. 5. Lars Anderson -- Once considered the top prospect in the organization, Anderson was drafted in the 18th round in 2006. While his stock has faded significantly in recent years, he still could have a future as a contributor at first base for a second-division club. Other solid late-round picks: Luis Exposito (31st, 2005), Bubba Bell (39th, 2005), Kyle Stroup (50th, 2007), Dan Butler (undrafted free agent, 2008), Keith Couch (13th, 2010) Worst draft picks 1. Jason Place -- Boston selected Place in the first round (27th overall) of the 2006 draft, and gave the prep outfielder a $1.3 million bonus, passing on players such as Joba Chamberlain , Chris Perez , Trevor Cahill and Zach Britton . Place went on to hit .230 over his minor-league career, never made it past Double-A and was released by the Red Sox in March 2011. 2. Mike Rozier -- After drafting Rozier in the 12th round in 2004, Boston gave him a $1.575 million bonus, one of the largest bonuses ever given out by the club to that point. The right-hander struggled with confidence and weight issues during his minor-league career, ultimately posting a 16-24 career record with a 5.23 ERA. He played in only one game above A-Ball during his career, and was released by the Red Sox in March 2009. 3. Jonathan Egan -- The Red Sox took Egan in the second round (57th overall) in 2005, and gave him a $625,000 bonus. He ran into some legal trouble early in his career, and after posting a .235 career batting average, the catcher was released in March 2008. He never played beyond Low-A Greenville. 4. Kris Johnson -- A left-hander out of Wichita State, Johnson was selected in the supplemental first round (39th overall) of the 2006 draft and given an $850,000 bonus. While he showed a few flashes of brilliance during his minor-league career, he was mostly mediocre and was released after putting up a 12.63 ERA in eight appearances with Pawtucket in 2011. Over his minor league career, Johnson was 28-49 with a 5.10 ERA. 5. Mickey Hall -- Boston selected Hall in the second round (54th overall) of the 2003 draft, passing on the likes of Andre Ethier , Scott Baker , Shawn Marcum and Drew Stubbs . The Sox traded Hall to Cleveland for Paul Byrd in 2008. He hit .234 over his minor league career, which ended following the 2009 season. Other high-round picks that didn’t pan out: Abe Alvarez (2003, 2nd), Andrew Dobies (2004, 3rd), Craig Hansen (2005, 1st), Scott Blue (2005, 4th). Other high-round picks that haven’t panned out (yet): Caleb Clay (2006, Suppl.), Ryan Dent (2007, Suppl.), Derrik Gibson (2008, 2nd), Peter Hissey (2008, 4th) Draft picks who the Red Sox didn’t sign 1. Brandon Belt -- Boston drafted Belt as a prep pitcher in the 11th round in 2006, but failed to sign him. San Francisco then took him in the 5th round in 2009, and he has since gone on to become the top prospect in the Giants’ system as a first baseman. The 23-year-old made his major league debut in 2011. 2. Pedro Alvarez -- Alvarez headed to Vanderbilt after Boston was unable to sign him after selecting him in the 14th round in 2005. After three outstanding years with the Commodores, Pittsburgh took the third baseman with the second overall pick in 2008. While he hasn’t lived up to the expectations of a second overall pick to this point, he’s still only 24 and projects as an everyday third baseman over the long haul. 3. Yasmani Grandal -- Boston took Grandal, a Cuban catcher, in the 27th round in 2007, but was unable to sign him away from his commitment to the University of Miami. Cincinnati took him in the first round (12th overall) three seasons later. In two professional seasons, the backstop has hit .303/.401/.488 in the Reds’ system. 4. Matt LaPorta -- After the Red Sox failed to sign LaPorta after drafting him in the 14th round in 2006, the Brewers turned around and selected him in the first round (7th overall) the following season. While he’s had a mediocre major-league career to this point, he still has promise as an impact first baseman. 5. Hunter Morris -- Boston opted not to sign Morris because he changed his bonus demands after the Sox drafted him in the second round in 2007. He spent three years at Auburn, after which time Milwaukee picked him up in the fourth round of the 2010 draft. The first baseman has put up a .266/.303/.457 line in two seasons in the Brewers’ system. Other draftees who didn’t sign with the Red Sox: Steve Pearce (10th, 2004), Jason Castro (43rd, 2005), Alex Meyer (20th, 2008), Sam Stafford (40th, 2008), Branden Kline (6th, 2009), Tyler Barnette (9th, 2010), Eric Jaffe (19th, 2010), Senquez Golson (8th, 2011
    Posted by mrmojo1120[/QUOTE]

    Nice post mojo, this is the way I look at things.  Theo was given the money to do what some GM'S only dream of and look what went on under he and Tito's watch.  If even half of what we are reading is true Theo and Tito should take the blame. 

    If Henry turns our team around next season by hiring a new staff a lot of fans might be shocked but thats exactly what I see happening.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Theo's best and worst draft picks : Nice post mojo, this is the way I look at things.  Theo was given the money to do what some GM'S only dream of and look what went on under he and Tito's watch.  If even half of what we are reading is true Theo and Tito should take the blame.  If Henry turns our team around next season by hiring a new staff a lot of fans might be shocked but thats exactly what I see happening.
    Posted by craze4sox[/QUOTE]Craze, the player development has a lot less to do with money that it does with evaluation and development. Yeah the RS can over slot, but just last year so did the Pirates and by a lot!

    Your post is misplaced in this thread I fear. There are plenty of other OPs to talk about the alleged impact of open clubhouse during games and the fact that Francona's culture of "player empowerment" finally back firing on him.

    If we must talk about the collapse in the context of the GM's work, Theo desperately wanted to avoid dipping deeper into his farm system to replace either Dice K and the Dice K and Buch as they both went down to injuries that were part of the game. He gambled that Miller and/or Wake could fill Dice K's spot and the that Buch would not be lost for the season. He lost his gamble and the chickens came home to roost in September.

    One last thought about having lots of money as a GM. It is a curse in many ways. They all know that FA is like playing in Vegas and the odds are against them. In smaller markets GM's get to dump players at the edge of FA and selectively spoon guys with minor league track records and they have higher draft positions. Down cycles are accepted as part of the natural order of things. Revenue sharing has allowed them to lock their best players up through the arbitration years.

    Being a GM with a big budget is not without burdens and having a fan base that has adopted the sense of entitlement that now hangs over Boston is actually quite a chore IMHO.  
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Theo's best and worst draft picks : Craze, the player development has a lot less to do with money that it does with evaluation and development. Yeah the RS can over slot, but just last year so did the Pirates and by a lot! Your post is misplaced in this thread I fear. There are plenty of other OPs to talk about the alleged impact of open clubhouse during games and the fact that Francona's culture of "player empowerment" finally back firing on him. If we must talk about the collapse in the context of the GM's work, Theo desperately wanted to avoid dipping deeper into his farm system to replace either Dice K and the Dice K and Buch as they both went down to injuries that were part of the game. He gambled that Miller and/or Wake could fill Dice K's spot and the that Buch would not be lost for the season. He lost his gamble and the chickens came home to roost in September. One last thought about having lots of money as a GM. It is a curse in many ways. They all know that FA is like playing in Vegas and the odds are against them. In smaller markets GM's get to dump players at the edge of FA and selectively spoon guys with minor league track records and they have higher draft positions. Down cycles are accepted as part of the natural order of things. Revenue sharing has allowed them to lock their best players up through the arbitration years. Being a GM with a big budget is not without burdens and having a fan base that has adopted the sense of entitlement that now hangs over Boston is actually quite a chore IMHO.  
    Posted by fivekatz[/QUOTE]

    I agree with all this katz,

    I'm trying to look at the positive moving forward.  There are good and bad moves I have seen Theo make over the years.  I'm not going to get into detail because the last time it led to me being called a liar.  The bottom line in life without guys like Tek, Wake, Theo and Tito will be interesting to watch.  I personally still feel people "regardless of what career" become complacent and less effective after many years together.  We also don't need guys like Lackey and Josh making millions for partying and lackluster performances on the field.

    I believe our team will be better off with fresh faces and a new found motivation next season.
     
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    That's an incredible list. I think Theo has done an outstanding job on the Red Sox, and I do believe he has a brilliant baseball mind. I realize he's leaving, but I hope we don't wind up missing him after the fact. That's also why it's my belief that he's worth alot to any team, and we should get alot in return for handing him over.
     
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    [QUOTE]That's an incredible list. I think Theo has done an outstanding job on the Red Sox, and I do believe he has a brilliant baseball mind. I realize he's leaving, but I hope we don't wind up missing him after the fact. That's also why it's my belief that he's worth alot to any team, and we should get alot in return for handing him over.
    Posted by kimsaysthis[/QUOTE]

    kim, everyone left behind from Theo's staff and our new GM all had parts in our success.  Losing just Theo won't take our team down and we definitely need a manager who can put his foot down.
     
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     mrmojo1120


      Very interesting reading, sir.
     
      And as I hear the baseball gurus talk on ESPN, this is exactly the reason they want Theo in Cubbieland ...

      He did build up the minor league system to the point that we have some excellent and very good players and prospects.

      They questioned some of his long term deals ... but said they were used to that in Chicago, but the internal game was what they wanted to develop ...

       And are willing to pay him handomsely to do it.

     
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    Another thread that failed to remain on topic and went off on a tangent. Some people are like a windup toy that has their talking points all set and the toy falls into any random thread and the spiel begins.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Theo's best and worst draft picks : kim, everyone left behind from Theo's staff and our new GM all had parts in our success.  Losing just Theo won't take our team down and we definitely need a manager who can put his foot down.
    Posted by craze4sox[/QUOTE]

    It's my understanding that Theo may take some of that staff with him. Having said that, I don't believe that this team will not recover from this. We still have a strong team IMO, and I'm looking forward to 2012 -- the "vindicated" year. :)
     
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    mojo nice read....btw like your sig...my Mom loves Joni...Cool
     
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    Re: Theo's best and worst draft picks

    In Response to Re: Theo's best and worst draft picks:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Theo's best and worst draft picks : It's my understanding that Theo may take some of that staff with him. Having said that, I don't believe that this team will not recover from this. We still have a strong team IMO, and I'm looking forward to 2012 -- the "vindicated" year. :)
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    Kim, in my opinion Theo will only get what Lucchino is willing to give the Cubs.  Theo has no leverage in this until his buddies contracts expire or Larry feels they are expendable.  Our team will be fine without Theo, Tito, Wake, Tek and Drew trust me.
     
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    Re: Theo's best and worst draft picks

    Good research by Mr Andrews. Glad to see that he didn't, like most baseball writers around here do, include Jon Lester as a Theo pick - he inherited Lester from the Duke.
     

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